C'mon Bryan, sign your contract!

[Redmycolour]

7 minutes ago, GJS said:

Can you explain how Reid has sh*t on the club?

One word"Cardiff"

[Phileas Fogg]

15 minutes ago, Redmycolour said:

He won't as you state s-t on us, he is a city lad, "one of our own", he won't do a Reid, 

I don't think players care about the club nearly as much as fans like to think they do.. It's a short career and most of them want to maximise their earnings.

[Monkeh]

27 minutes ago, Johnny Musicworks said:

The reason LJ plays him at LB is that strength and tackling are his strong points. Yes he can cross well but unlike many on here I seriously doubt his abilities playing wide against good full backs in the Championship and in the Premier League he probably would just not cut it.

His ability to turn sharply on his left side can often get him out of trouble against a wide attacker but is less useful against strong savvy defenders. IMO if he is to step up a level it’s as a defender and I’m sure that’s what all the stats people tell LJ.

you mean like Walker and Darman and Smaling?

12 minutes ago, Redmycolour said:

One word"Cardiff"

we sold him for 10 million, we chose to sell him to cardiff that isn't reid shitting on us, its his job

[Redmycolour]

2 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

you mean like Walker and Darman and Smaling?

we sold him for 10 million, we chose to sell him to cardiff that isn't reid shitting on us, its his job

Yeh our biggest rival, he knew that, 

[Monkeh]

6 minutes ago, Redmycolour said:

Yeh our biggest rival, he knew that, 

you're talking absolute horse shit, playing football is a job to reid, if a rival company offered to triple your wages you'd be off in a shot, and if you say no then you're lying,

if he was to shit on us he could of run his contract down and sign for cardiff on a free, thats shitting on us, not us choosing to sell him,

 

['Orns]

@TalkRobins on twitter is reporting that JB is 'close to agreeing a new contract' to stay

All we've heard is that he's completely refused to sign anything put in front of him for some months now. Maybe lack of PL interest has persuaded JB to stay on. I'm sure, as many others have already said, that a mutually agreeable release clause is in there

[Ska Junkie]

1 minute ago, Woodsy said:

@TalkRobins on twitter is reporting that JB is 'close to agreeing a new contract' to stay

All we've heard is that he's completely refused to sign anything put in front of him for some months now. Maybe lack of PL interest has persuaded JB to stay on. I'm sure, as many others have already said, that a mutually agreeable release clause is in there

I would imagine that's the biggest criteria TBH.

No doubt JB will be on big money but at least it would protect the club if he does sign.

[exAtyeoMax]

3 minutes ago, Woodsy said:

@TalkRobins on twitter is reporting that JB is 'close to agreeing a new contract' to stay

All we've heard is that he's completely refused to sign anything put in front of him for some months now. Maybe lack of PL interest has persuaded JB to stay on. I'm sure, as many others have already said, that a mutually agreeable release clause is in there

perhaps it stipulates that he doesn't have to play left back…

[Dman_Red]

50 minutes ago, Johnny Musicworks said:

The reason LJ plays him at LB is that strength and tackling are his strong points. Yes he can cross well but unlike many on here I seriously doubt his abilities playing wide against good full backs in the Championship and in the Premier League he probably would just not cut it.

His ability to turn sharply on his left side can often get him out of trouble against a wide attacker but is less useful against strong savvy defenders. IMO if he is to step up a level it’s as a defender and I’m sure that’s what all the stats people tell LJ.

I think the opposite is true. Last season there were quite a few times where he was skinned by a tricky winger who got around him quite easily. In the premier league he'd facing more of that week in week out against higher calibre players. Unless a PL team thinks they can improve him in this regard and his positioning, I don't think he'll be going up a division as a first choice LB.

IMO JB excels when he's going forward. He's able to out muscle opposition players with the ball at his feet and is very good at cutting across players so they either have to foul him or just let him go. Add to the fact that he's happy going either way, it puts doubt in the defenders mind as to which way to show him.

He played against PL quality at LM against Crystal Palace, Man U and Man City and seemed to cut it just fine.

[core321]

1 hour ago, Johnny Musicworks said:

The reason LJ plays him at LB is that strength and tackling are his strong points. Yes he can cross well but unlike many on here I seriously doubt his abilities playing wide against good full backs in the Championship and in the Premier League he probably would just not cut it.

His ability to turn sharply on his left side can often get him out of trouble against a wide attacker but is less useful against strong savvy defenders. IMO if he is to step up a level it’s as a defender and I’m sure that’s what all the stats people tell LJ.

You haven't see JB play much then.

Seeing JB in attacking positions is the best place for him. He has proved his crossing and finishing ability over and over. Being stuck at left back and having to curtail his attacking abilities is a farce.

[Johnny Musicworks]

5 minutes ago, Dman_Red said:

I think the opposite is true. Last season there were quite a few times where he was skinned by a tricky winger who got around him quite easily. In the premier league he'd facing more of that week in week out against higher calibre players. Unless a PL team thinks they can improve him in this regard and his positioning, I don't think he'll be going up a division as a first choice LB.

IMO JB excels when he's going forward. He's able to out muscle opposition players with the ball at his feet and is very good at cutting across players so they either have to foul him or just let him go. Add to the fact that he's happy going either way, it puts doubt in the defenders mind as to which way to show him.

He played against PL quality at LM against Crystal Palace, Man U and Man City and seemed to cut it just fine.

Yes he did as a fairly unknown entity as do many lower league players who raise their game for cup ties. He got caught upfield a few times against the pacey Walker leaving the back-line exposed which I’m sure got noticed by neutral observers and potential suitors.

A player that did so well against those clubs and yet not one Premier League team in for him yet. You wonder why ?

[Merrick's Marvels]

1 hour ago, Johnny Musicworks said:

The reason LJ plays him at LB is that strength and tackling are his strong points. Yes he can cross well but unlike many on here I seriously doubt his abilities playing wide against good full backs in the Championship and in the Premier League he probably would just not cut it.

His ability to turn sharply on his left side can often get him out of trouble against a wide attacker but is less useful against strong savvy defenders. IMO if he is to step up a level it’s as a defender and I’m sure that’s what all the stats people tell LJ.

You must be thinking of a different Joe Bryan to me then.

Tackling wouldn't be high on a list of his attributes imho and the idea he could be a Premier League left back is dubious in the extreme in my view.

Why? Because he lacks all the natural instincts of a top class defender - positioning, anticipation, the ability to sense danger, the sort of attributes that keep attackers at bay without having to even make a tackle or win a header. 

For me, his strengths are very much in the final attacking third. Whether those strengths are Premier League standard, I don't know. Unfortunately I think he's set his heart on finding out.

But if a move doesn't transpire I'd be more than happy to see him have a long career at City playing     IN MIDFIELD PLEASE COACH.     

[Agard Days Night]

New deal. Mutually agreeable release clause for Premier League teams. Captains armband. Done. 

[Johnny Musicworks]

4 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

You must be thinking of a different Joe Bryan to me then.

Tackling wouldn't be high on a list of his attributes imho and the idea he could be a Premier League left back is dubious in the extreme in my view.

Why? Because he lacks all the natural instincts of a top class defender - positioning, anticipation, the ability to sense danger, the sort of attributes that keep attackers at bay without having to even make a tackle or win a header. 

For me, his strengths are very much in the final attacking third. Whether those strengths are Premier League standard, I don't know. Unfortunately I think he's set his heart on finding out.

But if a move doesn't transpire I'd be more than happy to see him have a long career at City playing     IN MIDFIELD PLEASE COACH.     

I don’t think at this point he is Premier League in either position, but if he stays I expect it to be as a LB and captain maybe, possibly on the understanding that he can concentrate on the one position because the constant switching does him no favours IMO.

[Monkeh]

16 minutes ago, Agard Days Night said:

New deal. Mutually agreeable release clause for Premier League teams. Captains armband. Done. 

done like derrick williams done?

[Nogbad the Bad]

10 hours ago, havanatopia said:

Had LJ played Joe in a more forward role, as I think the vast majority of us believe he is at his best, i suspect he would have attracted far more interest.

Many of us have been saying for months that Joe is not your best left back. He is perennially caught out and is slow at back tracking. 

So why would LJ continue to play him at LB ? !!

LJ said early on in his tenure that JB could be a PL full back.

The main reason he doesn't play him further forward seems to be through a determination to prove a point, and he's perhaps too proud to admit that was nonsense.

If JB ever goes to the top league it's very unlikely the buying club will be signing him with the intention of playing him at LB - he's simply not good enough there - but they'll have seen his potential to be a great asset playing further forward.

[Merrick's Marvels]

18 minutes ago, Johnny Musicworks said:

I don’t think at this point he is Premier League in either position, but if he stays I expect it to be as a LB and captain maybe, possibly on the understanding that he can concentrate on the one position because the constant switching does him no favours IMO.

I agree 100% the regular switching does him no favours at all

[Agard Days Night]

13 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

done like derrick williams done?

No because that wasn’t done. Next...

[downendcity]

2 hours ago, Bicester Red said:

He will s—t on us

guaranteed

we've enough problems thanks to Fammy' s oral excretion without having another following suite. 

[Cowshed]

54 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

You must be thinking of a different Joe Bryan to me then.

Tackling wouldn't be high on a list of his attributes imho and the idea he could be a Premier League left back is dubious in the extreme in my view.

Why? Because he lacks all the natural instincts of a top class defender - positioning, anticipation, the ability to sense danger, the sort of attributes that keep attackers at bay without having to even make a tackle or win a header. 

For me, his strengths are very much in the final attacking third. Whether those strengths are Premier League standard, I don't know. Unfortunately I think he's set his heart on finding out.

But if a move doesn't transpire I'd be more than happy to see him have a long career at City playing     IN MIDFIELD PLEASE COACH.     

And your view of a top class defender is a mite one dimensional. Defenders have ceased to be specialist defenders at full back. Space on a football pitch is frequently in the spaces full backs occupy. Mr Johnson looks at the attributes of Joe Bryan as being suitable to take advantage of that space and associated half spaces - A full back playing the full length of the pitch. That requires intelligent technical footballers. 

You may disagree with the above, but it is a fundamental for many teams top class, and below.

Joe Bryan makes as many (its more on average) defensive interventions as Spurs full backs or Manchester City's. A uneven parallel perhaps, but it can be argued (easily) he shares similar attributes to modern full backs at the peak of the game.

[Monkeh]

3 minutes ago, Cowshed said:

And your view of a top class defender is a mite one dimensional. Defenders have ceased to be specialist defenders at full back. Space on a football pitch is frequently in the spaces full backs occupy. Mr Johnson looks at the attributes of Joe Bryan as being suitable to take advantage of that space and associated half spaces - A full back playing the full length of the pitch. That requires intelligent technical footballers. 

You may disagree with the above, but it is a fundamental for many teams top class, and below.

Joe Bryan makes as many (its more on average) defensive interventions as Spurs full backs or Manchester City's. A uneven parallel perhaps, but it can be argued (easily) he shares similar attributes to modern full backs at the peak of the game.

don't really think they are fall backs anymore, there more attacking wing backs overlapping with a wide midfielder, the key attributes for the modern fall backs are pace crossing and athleticism 

[Agard Days Night]

3 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

don't really think they are fall backs anymore, there more attacking wing backs overlapping with a wide midfielder, the key attributes for the modern fall backs are pace crossing and athleticism 

fall backs like full backs?

[Cowshed]

2 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

don't really think they are fall backs anymore, there more attacking wing backs overlapping with a wide midfielder, the key attributes for the modern fall backs are pace crossing and athleticism 

Yes. But all you have to do is to see full backs as playing the FULL length of the pitch starting frequently at the back where modern systems frequently allow space to exist. And Joe Bryan has abilities which fit that skills set. He also has a high technical ability that allows him to join in, create overloads, invert etc. 

[Phileas Fogg]

1 hour ago, Woodsy said:

@TalkRobins on twitter is reporting that JB is 'close to agreeing a new contract' to stay

That site is run by kids so wouldn't take too much notice

[Merrick's Marvels]

1 hour ago, Cowshed said:

And your view of a top class defender is a mite one dimensional. Defenders have ceased to be specialist defenders at full back. Space on a football pitch is frequently in the spaces full backs occupy. Mr Johnson looks at the attributes of Joe Bryan as being suitable to take advantage of that space and associated half spaces - A full back playing the full length of the pitch. That requires intelligent technical footballers. 

You may disagree with the above, but it is a fundamental for many teams top class, and below.

Joe Bryan makes as many (its more on average) defensive interventions as Spurs full backs or Manchester City's. A uneven parallel perhaps, but it can be argued (easily) he shares similar attributes to modern full backs at the peak of the game.

I'm well aware of all that, thanks very much. Perhaps I didn't make clear that I was talking about the defensive side of things only and that, for me, positioning, anticipation etc are just as important as tackling and heading. 

I get entirely why our Coach thinks Bryan could be suited to the role of a modern day full back. But, first and foremost, I prefer my full backs to be fully switched on as defenders. Bryan isn't.

Imo he's proved himself a liability near our goal too often. However he's an undoubted threat near the opposition's, so to me it's a no-brainer to play him in a position where he can do the most damage to the opposition and the least to his own side - and that isn't left back, even though he has the engine to play up and down the full pitch better than most, as well as the intelligence to read the play as it develops in front of him and join in accordingly

 

[PHILINFRANCE]

From the few matches I have seen JB play, I get the impression he is a good full back in the modern sense described above by @Cowshed and, if he could only defend, or at least improve his defensive work (as was required by an old-school type full back), he would be excellent.

[Merrick's Marvels]

2 minutes ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

From the few matches I have seen JB play, I get the impression he is a good full back in the modern sense described above by @Cowshed and, if he could only defend, or at least improve his defensive work (as was required by an old-school type full back), he would be excellent.

Agree entirely with this.

[Cowshed]

3 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

I'm well aware of all that, thanks very much. And why our Coach thinks Bryan could be suited to the role.

But first and foremost, I prefer my full backs to be fully switched on as defenders. Bryan isn't.

Imo he's proved himself a liability near our goal too often. However he's an undoubted threat near the opposition's, so to me it's a no-brainer to play him in a position where he can do the most damage to the opposition and the least to his own side - and that isn't left back. 

 

If you are aware of it my with respect it is not a total no brainer to use Joe Bryan in an area of the pitch were he can use his skills. It is debatable if all those skills would be fully utilised wide left … Mr Johnson clearly thinks not. I can see why as Joe Bryan played at full back creates possibility that no other at the club does.   

First and foremost full backs have ceased to be first and foremost defenders. As I have pointed out previously Joe Bryan is no more susceptible to errors than players at top clubs, and clubs who were promoted while sharing similar offensive attributes. 

Attacking full backs are no new phenomenon. Full backs displaying attacking ability and universality are looked at by many as being fundamental, providing broad tactical possibility. Defenders being defenders and little else limit possibility. 

[Cowshed]

16 minutes ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

From the few matches I have seen JB play, I get the impression he is a good full back in the modern sense described above by @Cowshed and, if he could only defend, or at least improve his defensive work (as was required by an old-school type full back), he would be excellent.

 What people often want is virtually unattainable even with great wealth. Even Kyle Walker lacks the aerobic capacity to do everything. Look at top level football attacking full backs have become a necessity. Old school full backs?  

 

[Sir Colby-Tit]

4 hours ago, Loon plage said:

If the club makes millions on him he hasn't shat on anyone.

Unless a very wealthy pervert struck a very strange deal