22A Posted August 4, 2018 Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 I've just found this post from a SWFC fan. The sentence about the hotel seems reminiscent of Bristol's blue & white team's announcements. Half an hour before season starts Wednesday announce that we are under a transfer embargo. Radio speculating that could last for three years before financial rectitude is re - established. We are also the only club in the league to refuse the BBC's new deal, so no coverage on Radio Sheffield. But never mind the owner has bought all the land across the A61 to build an hotel. It's going to be a long season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted August 4, 2018 Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 Come on, Visiting Owl.. come and chat it over with OTIB. Heey, at least the Blades blew it today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted August 4, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 27 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said: Heey, at least the Blades blew it today Only a few seasons back SUFC's first game was televised live and they lost that 2-1 at home as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC11 Posted August 4, 2018 Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 Not really suprised if they are under an embargo with the ridiculous wages they pay. As for the Embargo how it works god only knows Brum we’re under one but still managed to sign someone which the EFL still sanctioned then even said they could ONLY sign 5 more! Clearly isn’t going to stop clubs is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted August 4, 2018 Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 51 minutes ago, BCFC11 said: Not really suprised if they are under an embargo with the ridiculous wages they pay. As for the Embargo how it works god only knows Brum we’re under one but still managed to sign someone which the EFL still sanctioned then even said they could ONLY sign 5 more! Clearly isn’t going to stop clubs is it. EFL seem to make it up as they go along with this, it's ridiculous tbh. Can only assume their losses outstrip Birmingham's significantly over the period... Birmingham though have significant caveats in how those players can be signed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owl Visiting Posted August 4, 2018 Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 Furious that the away games won't be on BBC Radio Sheffield this season, the coverage of the local football up here is great. I'm sure some of you have experienced Praise or Grumble on the way back from Hillsborough, and there's another football phone-in 5 days a week for all local fans. The club blame the BBC of course, as they have reduced their offer to clubs by 10%, but this is just clearly an excuse as the fee is apparently only about 60k anyway, meaning fans won't be able to hear us on the radio over a measly 6 thousand quid, barely pocket change to a Championship club. The real reason behind it of course is to get the fans to pay for the iFollow service, and I don't know if it has been the same down here, but I heard nothing but complaints from Wednesday fans about it last season. We've overspent the last few years so the fans understand the need to reduce the wage bill, trying to fleece the fans again though after the already ludicrous ticket prices and shirts is so poor. It's going to be a long season for us this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted August 4, 2018 Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, Owl Visiting said: Furious that the away games won't be on BBC Radio Sheffield this season, the coverage of the local football up here is great. I'm sure some of you have experienced Praise or Grumble on the way back from Hillsborough, and there's another football phone-in 5 days a week for all local fans. The club blame the BBC of course, as they have reduced their offer to clubs by 10%, but this is just clearly an excuse as the fee is apparently only about 60k anyway, meaning fans won't be able to hear us on the radio over a measly 6 thousand quid, barely pocket change to a Championship club. The real reason behind it of course is to get the fans to pay for the iFollow service, and I don't know if it has been the same down here, but I heard nothing but complaints from Wednesday fans about it last season. We've overspent the last few years so the fans understand the need to reduce the wage bill, trying to fleece the fans again though after the already ludicrous ticket prices and shirts is so poor. It's going to be a long season for us this year. I feel your pain. Owl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reformed_red Posted August 5, 2018 Report Share Posted August 5, 2018 9 hours ago, Owl Visiting said: Furious that the away games won't be on BBC Radio Sheffield this season, the coverage of the local football up here is great. I'm sure some of you have experienced Praise or Grumble on the way back from Hillsborough, and there's another football phone-in 5 days a week for all local fans. The club blame the BBC of course, as they have reduced their offer to clubs by 10%, but this is just clearly an excuse as the fee is apparently only about 60k anyway, meaning fans won't be able to hear us on the radio over a measly 6 thousand quid, barely pocket change to a Championship club. The real reason behind it of course is to get the fans to pay for the iFollow service, and I don't know if it has been the same down here, but I heard nothing but complaints from Wednesday fans about it last season. We've overspent the last few years so the fans understand the need to reduce the wage bill, trying to fleece the fans again though after the already ludicrous ticket prices and shirts is so poor. It's going to be a long season for us this year. Is it just me or has this all started to unravel since the bird from Charlton came on board?? People like her shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a football club. I had a mate a good few years back who was a massive Wednesday fan. Big big club, one of those that I always love to beat but respect massively too. Hope the German girl doesn't last too long at your place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted August 5, 2018 Report Share Posted August 5, 2018 You are a good poster @visting owl and I like the Weds fans I’ve met (Even the ones who ‘greeted’ us after the game in early 2000s ) As decent , ‘proper’ down to earth fans So hope the horizon isn’t as bleak as it may look mate Personally I’d take no pleasure in seeing Weds sink Hang in there mate ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted August 5, 2018 Report Share Posted August 5, 2018 I have a soft spot for Wednesday, one of the great old clubs. But they are another that has over spent and now have problems. It baffles me that some of our fans still want us to take the same risk, especially as we have been there before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted August 5, 2018 Report Share Posted August 5, 2018 10 minutes ago, chinapig said: I have a soft spot for Wednesday, one of the great old clubs. But they are another that has over spent and now have problems. It baffles me that some of our fans still want us to take the same risk, especially as we have been there before. It is another timely reminder The only thing I’d add on it China (and it’s not the thread to debate it) is that I read a lot of fans questioning our use (spend) of the funds we do have available rather than a suggestion we flout FFP i do think some want us to spend , without thinking it through or having a plan , and the bottom line is we will rise or fall in how we do use the funds we do have available, simple as that , and that responsibility sits in some key hands We won’t risk FFP and nor should we Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted August 5, 2018 Report Share Posted August 5, 2018 26 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: It is another timely reminder The only thing I’d add on it China (and it’s not the thread to debate it) is that I read a lot of fans questioning our use (spend) of the funds we do have available rather than a suggestion we flout FFP i do think some want us to spend , without thinking it through or having a plan , and the bottom line is we will rise or fall in how we do use the funds we do have available, simple as that , and that responsibility sits in some key hands We won’t risk FFP and nor should we Quite so Bob, I'm thinking particularly of those fans who complain that Forest have spent £25m so we should too. They might want to look into the background of those running Forest mind you. Our historic problems are less to do with fees and more to do with letting the wage budget get out of control. That is why we will not be signing the kind of players that particular minority of fans crave, something they cannot seem to grasp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redapple Posted August 5, 2018 Report Share Posted August 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, chinapig said: Quite so Bob, I'm thinking particularly of those fans who complain that Forest have spent £25m so we should too. They might want to look into the background of those running Forest mind you. Our historic problems are less to do with fees and more to do with letting the wage budget get out of control. That is why we will not be signing the kind of players that particular minority of fans crave, something they cannot seem to grasp. Absolutely bang on. Not rocket science either. Wish some of those quick-mouthed, slow brain types would digest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted August 5, 2018 Report Share Posted August 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, redapple said: Absolutely bang on. Not rocket science either. Wish some of those quick-mouthed, slow brain types would digest. Good job we have your careful considered thoughts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted August 5, 2018 Report Share Posted August 5, 2018 36 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: It is another timely reminder The only thing I’d add on it China (and it’s not the thread to debate it) is that I read a lot of fans questioning our use (spend) of the funds we do have available rather than a suggestion we flout FFP i do think some want us to spend , without thinking it through or having a plan , and the bottom line is we will rise or fall in how we do use the funds we do have available, simple as that , and that responsibility sits in some key hands We won’t risk FFP and nor should we Is one of the problems that fans don't know what budget the club has available for transfer fees and wages? Without this information, and with some fans seemingly still not properly aware of or understanding the implications of ffp I'm sure we will continue to have fans questioning our transfers, and suggest unrealistic targets we should have signed instead. Perhaps the question as to how we spend the funds would also be better able to be answered if we knew the funds available, as this make clearer the realistic targets we can consider and importantly those that are completely unrealistic in terms of fees and wages. My own feeling is that we perhaps do not fully appreciate how wages have grown in the championship and although we can afford far better than even a couple of years ago, we are priced out of the market when it comes to the type of player we would like the club to sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted August 5, 2018 Report Share Posted August 5, 2018 12 minutes ago, downendcity said: Is one of the problems that fans don't know what budget the club has available for transfer fees and wages? Without this information, and with some fans seemingly still not properly aware of or understanding the implications of ffp I'm sure we will continue to have fans questioning our transfers, and suggest unrealistic targets we should have signed instead. Perhaps the question as to how we spend the funds would also be better able to be answered if we knew the funds available, as this make clearer the realistic targets we can consider and importantly those that are completely unrealistic in terms of fees and wages. My own feeling is that we perhaps do not fully appreciate how wages have grown in the championship and although we can afford far better than even a couple of years ago, we are priced out of the market when it comes to the type of player we would like the club to sign. Agree I was thinking along the simple example, of , say , sign less players on higher wages ( It’s a theory / debate and fwiw I’m not advocating or suggesting that approach but it’s an example of a general ‘option ‘ One pie , how do you divide it We could splash theoretically out wage wise on one or two , but I n reality it’s a very dangerous game , as higher wages for only one or two creates , or is l8kely to create , lots of knock on problems with other playing staff and we clearly don’t have the budget to increase the wages in line or anywhere near it across a large squad it all comes back to our recruitment and decisions on keeping , selling or releasing players and our judgements in all three I do think we could be more decisive with our housekeeping at times but those that could be freed off the wages are more likely to be on wages that doesn’t have any great effect in our overall expenditure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted August 5, 2018 Report Share Posted August 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, downendcity said: Is one of the problems that fans don't know what budget the club has available for transfer fees and wages? Without this information, and with some fans seemingly still not properly aware of or understanding the implications of ffp I'm sure we will continue to have fans questioning our transfers, and suggest unrealistic targets we should have signed instead. Perhaps the question as to how we spend the funds would also be better able to be answered if we knew the funds available, as this make clearer the realistic targets we can consider and importantly those that are completely unrealistic in terms of fees and wages. My own feeling is that we perhaps do not fully appreciate how wages have grown in the championship and although we can afford far better than even a couple of years ago, we are priced out of the market when it comes to the type of player we would like the club to sign. I think Bob is right to focus on the how in the sense that the policy was too skewed away from the home market in pursuit of alleged value. Not that I am purporting to speak for Bob who may have meant something completely different! This was too hit and miss, though not quite as disastrous as sometimes claimed given that it has given us the likes of Kodjia and Fammy and that it now seems Eliasson may be coming good. The balance between players to develop and established ones was also skewed. There has been movement in policy because, as LJ said recently, he doesn't want us to be focused only on the future but to an extent we have lost a couple of years in the process. I agree some fans don't take into account the whole cost of a player relative to our resources - there is no way we are going to make our budget public - and think 'club A has paid £xm for a player, SL could pay that if he wanted to'. Take Bannon for example, a player we know LJ admires. I suspect SL would be open to paying a big fee but if, say, he is on £40k a week, it isn't likely to happen as it would bust the budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redapple Posted August 5, 2018 Report Share Posted August 5, 2018 1 hour ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Good job we have your careful considered thoughts Thank you Bob. Have always been a fan of yours since those milky white thighs, sweatbands on the wrist and 34 goals in 1989. You were always very laid back, but you do seem a bit more argumentative these days . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted August 5, 2018 Report Share Posted August 5, 2018 14 hours ago, Owl Visiting said: Furious that the away games won't be on BBC Radio Sheffield this season, the coverage of the local football up here is great. I'm sure some of you have experienced Praise or Grumble on the way back from Hillsborough, and there's another football phone-in 5 days a week for all local fans. The club blame the BBC of course, as they have reduced their offer to clubs by 10%, but this is just clearly an excuse as the fee is apparently only about 60k anyway, meaning fans won't be able to hear us on the radio over a measly 6 thousand quid, barely pocket change to a Championship club. The real reason behind it of course is to get the fans to pay for the iFollow service, and I don't know if it has been the same down here, but I heard nothing but complaints from Wednesday fans about it last season. We've overspent the last few years so the fans understand the need to reduce the wage bill, trying to fleece the fans again though after the already ludicrous ticket prices and shirts is so poor. It's going to be a long season for us this year. Mate-get Katrien on the case-im sure she will get it sorted... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owl Visiting Posted August 5, 2018 Report Share Posted August 5, 2018 12 hours ago, reformed_red said: Is it just me or has this all started to unravel since the bird from Charlton came on board?? People like her shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a football club. I had a mate a good few years back who was a massive Wednesday fan. Big big club, one of those that I always love to beat but respect massively too. Hope the German girl doesn't last too long at your place. It's been going wrong long before she arrived unfortunately. Our fans seem to have taken to her oddly, think it's partly to do with the criticism and warnings we received from Charlton fans (some of our fans don't like Charlton). I've no idea what she's actually done since she arrived, but the stripes came back which won the hearts of many supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldlandReddies Posted August 5, 2018 Report Share Posted August 5, 2018 21 hours ago, Owl Visiting said: Furious that the away games won't be on BBC Radio Sheffield this season, the coverage of the local football up here is great. I'm sure some of you have experienced Praise or Grumble on the way back from Hillsborough, and there's another football phone-in 5 days a week for all local fans. The club blame the BBC of course, as they have reduced their offer to clubs by 10%, but this is just clearly an excuse as the fee is apparently only about 60k anyway, meaning fans won't be able to hear us on the radio over a measly 6 thousand quid, barely pocket change to a Championship club. The real reason behind it of course is to get the fans to pay for the iFollow service, and I don't know if it has been the same down here, but I heard nothing but complaints from Wednesday fans about it last season. We've overspent the last few years so the fans understand the need to reduce the wage bill, trying to fleece the fans again though after the already ludicrous ticket prices and shirts is so poor. It's going to be a long season for us this year. And people on here moan when we havent spent big in recent seasons when we have been in a decent position. We simply cant risk it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted August 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2018 13 minutes ago, Owl Visiting said: but the stripes came back which won the hearts of many supporters. Wow; I didn't realise Wednesday have also had hoops and halves as well as the blue bodice and white sleeves. http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Sheffield_Wednesday/Sheffield_Wednesday.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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