Jerseybean Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 I’d just love to hear that (before the loan deadline) we have signed a couple of starlets from Man City, a creative midfielder and a striker, both on a season long loan. Then I’d don my cap to MA and co. and truly consider this to have been a totally satisfactory transfer window. What do you think/hope for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 25 minutes ago, Jerseybean said: I’d just love to hear that (before the loan deadline) we have signed a couple of starlets from Man City, a creative midfielder and a striker, both on a season long loan. Then I’d don my cap to MA and co. and truly consider this to have been a totally satisfactory transfer window. What do you think/hope for? Who do these starlets replace in the starting eleven? Or who do they push out of the matchday 18? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFCadam Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 25 minutes ago, Jerseybean said: I’d just love to hear that (before the loan deadline) we have signed a couple of starlets from Man City, a creative midfielder and a striker, both on a season long loan. Then I’d don my cap to MA and co. and truly consider this to have been a totally satisfactory transfer window. What do you think/hope for? I'm guessing people's opinions on the window as a whole have probably changed seeing as Weimann has exceeded expectations... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 1 minute ago, BCFCadam said: I'm guessing people's opinions on the window as a whole have probably changed seeing as Weimann has exceeded expectations... Weimann has proved exactly what I hoped he prove.....that he has Premier League quality, good movement, works hard, etc. 5 in 5 is of course exceeding, but I don’t expect him to continue to score at this rate. Pre-season I hoped he’d get 1 in 3, around the 15 mark. Webster I didn’t know much about and he’s started well enough. Hunt I expected a bit more than we’ve seen so far Those were the senior signings (ignoring Mäenpää and Kalas) So all in all they average out as per my expectations. The good thing is that I sense a squad togetherness returning. Even the Boro defeat, I though the boys were in it together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoxton casual Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 5 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Who do these starlets replace in the starting eleven? Or who do they push out of the matchday 18? Need depth to cover injuries and provide competition for places maybe?. Decent first team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Fox Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 Quality central midfielder would dome, anything else would be cream on the cake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1bristolcity Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 13 minutes ago, hoxton casual said: Need depth to cover injuries and provide competition for places maybe?. Decent first team. Trouble is by loaning these 'starlets' and having to play them hardly helps the progression of our own players, you have to think not only for this season but next and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 24 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Who do these starlets replace in the starting eleven? Or who do they push out of the matchday 18? Really? If they are that good they can replace anyone you want them to! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 13 minutes ago, hoxton casual said: Need depth to cover injuries and provide competition for places maybe?. Decent first team. I don’t disagree, i’m Being a bit facetious. I think it’s a dilemma in terms of convincing both a player and their club that we can give their player minutes to aid their development....especially a club like Man City. I’m talking in particular about a CM and a ST positions. If you take Preston and Lukas Nmecha (a player we were hopeful of loaning last winter....done deal according to one poster), they’ve made a poor start, no win in 4 and Nmecha has no goals or assists. No idea how well he has played, but how long before Neil comes under pressure and goes to a more trusted forward, e.g Robinson, or Moult gets a chance? Suddenly you have a discontent player and loaning club unhappy too (potentially). Of course he might have a clause that he needs to play x% of games. @pnefcok With Kalas, he was not a young starlet but a relatively experienced top-end Championship Performer. If one of those was available, then bloody fantastic....I just don’t think we’ll get one of those. As a result I’d rather we risked using our own players. 7 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said: Really? If they are that good they can replace anyone you want them to! Are they that good? See Nmecha example Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 36 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Weimann has proved exactly what I hoped he prove.....that he has Premier League quality, good movement, works hard, etc. 5 in 5 is of course exceeding, but I don’t expect him to continue to score at this rate. Pre-season I hoped he’d get 1 in 3, around the 15 mark. If he does, then he'll be off in January! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 I wonder if we’ll ever know what the Portugal trip was about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheshire_red Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 Golf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midlands Robin Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 10 minutes ago, Leveller said: I wonder if we’ll ever know what the Portugal trip was about. Wine tasting in case we have another cup run? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Zod Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 Given how we ran out of steam by Christmas last year I’d be gutted if we don’t bring in a decent midfielder to fill Smiths place in the squad and take the pressure off Pack and Brownhill. We are only a knock or suspension away from trouble in the middle. I think the squads still a striker short if we are aiming to challenge for the playoffs but probably good enough for mid table. Defence looks like it’s got strength in depth now In fact at the moment it looks excitingly strong. It would also be good to get 1st division loans sorted for Taylor Moore and Walsh who I don’t think are quite there yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 2 hours ago, Davefevs said: Who do these starlets replace in the starting eleven? Or who do they push out of the matchday 18? We only have three fit specialist strikers before Elisa returns in 4-6 weeks and the lad will need carefully nurturing to be effective at Championship level. If we don't loan a striker and Fammy or Weimann miss a handful of games through injury, before the January window opens, what happens then? Failing to loan a striker on a season-long deal before the August 31st deadline would be a huge risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 58 minutes ago, Leveller said: I wonder if we’ll ever know what the Portugal trip was about. It’s like Bryn and Jason’s fishing trip..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, Curr Avon said: We only have three fit specialist strikers before Elisa returns in 4-6 weeks and the lad will need carefully nurturing to be effective at Championship level. If we don't loan a striker and Fammy or Weimann miss a handful of games through injury, before the January window opens, what happens then? Failing to loan a striker on a season-long deal before the August 31st deadline would be a huge risk. I had forgotten Eisa was injured. I stand by my comments about how does LJ convince a player and his club to come here and be cover for injuries. If they’re happy to come here as cover, are they good enough? It’s a really difficult one, especially if you think Pato and Watkins could cover the one that plays off of the main striker. I don’t want a bloated squad, LJ may want different! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meh Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 I don’t think we will see anybody else. Whilst I accept the injuries are a concern we have to pay these players still and I’m sure, for us, the salary allowance is topped out with the squad we have (and we are trying to be self sustaining). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 47 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I had forgotten Eisa was injured. I stand by my comments about how does LJ convince a player and his club to come here and be cover for injuries. If they’re happy to come here as cover, are they good enough? It’s a really difficult one, especially if you think Pato and Watkins could cover the one that plays off of the main striker. I don’t want a bloated squad, LJ may want different! It's a fair point about potential loanees not settling for a bench role for starters, but what is our back up plan if a Fammy-less City are unable to penetrate the massed opposition defences that we're likely to see at most home matches? City find it very hard to break down deep, organised rearguards and unless we can significantly improve our passing and movement in tight spaces to create chances, and score without resorting to a more direct game then we could face real problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 4 hours ago, Jerseybean said: I’d just love to hear that (before the loan deadline) we have signed a couple of starlets from Man City, a creative midfielder and a striker, both on a season long loan. Then I’d don my cap to MA and co. and truly consider this to have been a totally satisfactory transfer window. What do you think/hope for? looking at the players we have, the results this past week, with what could arguably say were 5 first choice players out at the moment but some not far from returning, I think we don't need anybody else, will be amazed if we don't have a really good season, know what I will say it, we are good enough to make the play offs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 12 hours ago, Jerseybean said: I’d just love to hear that (before the loan deadline) we have signed a couple of starlets from Man City, a creative midfielder and a striker, both on a season long loan. Then I’d don my cap to MA and co. and truly consider this to have been a totally satisfactory transfer window. What do you think/hope for? we don't need another striker or a creative midfielder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Zod Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 7 hours ago, pillred said: looking at the players we have, the results this past week, with what could arguably say were 5 first choice players out at the moment but some not far from returning, I think we don't need anybody else, will be amazed if we don't have a really good season, know what I will say it, we are good enough to make the play offs. The team looks good enough on paper at the moment for an interesting season especially if Kalas continues to look as assured as he did on debut. But when we play at a high tempo like LJ likes us to, legs get heavy and we eventually run out of steam trying to replicate week in week out. We have a few options now to rest players but I thought we were one midfielder short before smiths injury. Now I definitely believe we are. I wouldn’t want to rely on Walsh for a long run of games at the moment. Same up top, Taylor is ok for a few games but for a serious playoff challenge we need Fam back firing and him and Weimann staying fit and playing week in week out. Maybe we get lucky for once and this will happen but personally I think the squads a striker short as well as a midfielder if we want to be near the top. Like last years window it comes down to ambition, we can save a few quid, don’t add and be comfortable in mid table or try and go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 8 minutes ago, General Zod said: The team looks good enough on paper at the moment for an interesting season especially if Kalas continues to look as assured as he did on debut. But when we play at a high tempo like LJ likes us to, legs get heavy and we eventually run out of steam trying to replicate week in week out. We have a few options now to rest players but I thought we were one midfielder short before smiths injury. Now I definitely believe we are. I wouldn’t want to rely on Walsh for a long run of games at the moment. Same up top, Taylor is ok for a few games but for a serious playoff challenge we need Fam back firing and him and Weimann staying fit and playing week in week out. Maybe we get lucky for once and this will happen but personally I think the squads a striker short as well as a midfielder if we want to be near the top. Like last years window it comes down to ambition, we can save a few quid, don’t add and be comfortable in mid table or try and go for it. I get what you are saying but Walsh is basically a top prem loan midfielder. The point is that why bring one in when chances are they won’t oust Pack or Brownhill? We’d be up against it for sure if Walsh had to play 7-8 games in a row but he has the ability. May be just what he needs to start succeeding. I think he can be that Barry Bannan type that a lot of people want to see. So would be better if he got the chance imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 12 hours ago, Davefevs said: Who do these starlets replace in the starting eleven? Or who do they push out of the matchday 18? Anyone they are better than, it's called progress! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohbasso Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 I think that we’re only one player short from getting through to the January window and that’s cover for Smith, I think Walsh and Morrell are decent young players but if Pack or Brownhill get injured I don’t think that they’d be ready for a long run in the team. If we can get one in I’d let one of Morrell or Walsh out on loan to a league one team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redrascal2 Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 13 hours ago, Jerseybean said: I’d just love to hear that (before the loan deadline) we have signed a couple of starlets from Man City, a creative midfielder and a striker, both on a season long loan. Then I’d don my cap to MA and co. and truly consider this to have been a totally satisfactory transfer window. What do you think/hope for? Certainly would like some more cover in midfield but from comments on the forum it seems we have finished our business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBW Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 14 hours ago, 1bristolcity said: Trouble is by loaning these 'starlets' and having to play them hardly helps the progression of our own players, you have to think not only for this season but next and so on. We have to stop worrying about progression of individuals and worry about the progression of the overall team. If loan players could take us to a new level, playoffs or further then we take them. There's no point developing youth players and settling for medocrity. Need to find a balance and as we saw with Tammy Abraham a loan player can really compliment what we already have and in some cases push further than what was expected. Sure they're gone after a year but with a raised profile we're in the mix for better players the next season and further opportunities as a team. You're also worrying that we're developing other team's players in a great way for them but other team's are doing that same job for us. It's a domino effect and when they're ready, they're ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 5 hours ago, frenchred said: Anyone they are better than, it's called progress! Absolutely, e.g Kalas although not a starlet. But he’s the type of loan I’d prefer. For every starlet success like Abraham there are numerous Ryan Kent’s or Ike Ugbo’s (Barnsley we’re convinced they had the new Tammy last season). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 I don't think we need or will get a creative midfielder. A very poor patch in our poor run last season aside, we tend to have no problems creating chances. My view is what would really make a difference to the team is someone who could function as an anchor in midfield - either as part of a two or a three). It's not easy to find players of sufficient quality but, if we could get the right player, it could massively improve our shape - especially defensively, allow the full backs to stay wide (personally I think we concede too many goals from opposition players finding space in wide positions) and give other players more freedom to push further forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 Picture the scene if Pack and Brownhill got injured. Fingers crossed we get a CM on loan as cover as I don’t think Walsh is sufficient backup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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