BS4 on Tour... Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 21 minutes ago, You Do The Dziekanowski said: Bruce as manager. Simple as that. If they didn’t get taken over they would be fooked. Now if they don’t go up they’ll be fooked. He’s still trying to buy promotion when it hasn’t worked in the last 2 seasons But Bruce holds the record for most promotions from the championship to the premier league....he ain’t too shabby... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 3 hours ago, Bar BS3 said: Unbelievable that A) Villa can afford him & B) that they are the best offer that’s been received to take him. Especially (b) maybe we saw the best of Tammy ? or more likely Villa offered more to take him which would be a shame if he had the chance to stay in the Prem albeit on loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 54 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said: Kodjia was definitely on the wing against Burton. Maybe he moved wide during the game and started up front, but he was definitely wide for a chunk of the game. I agree, we played 4231 early part of that season. Kodjia played right sided forward that day....probably one of the reasons he went to Villa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: I agree, we played 4231 early part of that season. Kodjia played right sided forward that day....probably one of the reasons he went to Villa. As per the Bristol CIty official match report for that game, Kodjia started up front and central with Tammy on that day....also I was there and saw it for myself... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivs Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 3 hours ago, Alessandro said: If Villa City reserves don’t go up with Tammy, Kodjia, Bolasie, Albert and Grealish - something has gone very very right. Fixed that for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swede Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 It just goes to show how wrong this league is. How on earth can a club be in financial melt down one month due to blowing vast sums of money gambling on a quick fix return that didn't happen, buying every talented player they can and then find more investors the following month and carry on doing exactly the same. What about FFP? How on earth does that stack up. Merely having more investors shouldn't suddenly allow them to blow even more ridiculous amounts of money. I thought that was the whole point of FFP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 Its simple really,villa have had new finance injected into the club in a big way and so their troubles have gone away. There a big club that have actually won things and have spent most of their amazing history in the top division. That make teams like bournemouth,bristol rovers,barrow and bristol city seem irrelevant frankly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 1, 2018 Report Share Posted September 1, 2018 54 minutes ago, Swede said: It just goes to show how wrong this league is. How on earth can a club be in financial melt down one month due to blowing vast sums of money gambling on a quick fix return that didn't happen, buying every talented player they can and then find more investors the following month and carry on doing exactly the same. What about FFP? How on earth does that stack up. Merely having more investors shouldn't suddenly allow them to blow even more ridiculous amounts of money. I thought that was the whole point of FFP. The issue earlier in the summer was cash flow, and not being able to pay HMRC. The investment injection they got staved off that threat. In terms of FFP losses, they lost £7m in 16/17, we don’t know how much they lost in 17/18, nor what they will lose in 18/19. They can lose £39m over those 3 seasons and be fine. Some of the Losses can be excluded, probably £5m per season, so their P&L over 3 years can probably show £50m+. With parachute money of £91m over these 3 seasons, they are going to have to seriously be paying stupid wages to fall foul of FFP....although if they don’t go up, season 19/20 with no parachute is gonna severely hamstring them. They are going shit or bust this season. If they don’t get promoted they’ll probably need to sell a couple of key assets like Grealish and Kodjia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted September 1, 2018 Report Share Posted September 1, 2018 Oh shite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted September 1, 2018 Report Share Posted September 1, 2018 Something really weird that Tammy is back in the Championship but Bobby is playing in the Prem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted September 1, 2018 Report Share Posted September 1, 2018 11 hours ago, Davefevs said: I agree, we played 4231 early part of that season. Kodjia played right sided forward that day....probably one of the reasons he went to Villa. That was my first thought when I saw the move, I bet Kodjia is hanging out the welcome bunting for Tammy I really wonder if it will work. Kodjia obviously likes being the main man and Tammy was best in a mobile central role, lets say they play a 2. With 2 wingers and Grealish central that's a lot of attacking power, not sure what the rest will be like. I didn't go along with all the hate toward them and hoping that FFP catches up with them......... I'm getting there now. How long before Bruce starts complaining about not having the money to compete, cock ! What have they spent , about £50-60m before this season(net) and he was complaining ! I would love to see what would happen if they didn't go up, fire sale anyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider-manc Posted September 1, 2018 Report Share Posted September 1, 2018 3 hours ago, billywedlock said: Shows the idiotic system we have with parachute payments. payment for failure. it should be zero.pay the money when you are in the Premiership, but not when you leave it. Makes our melt down last season even more painful. But the system is wrong.Clubs and players need to accept that relegation means automatic collapse of wages. Finally, how can England ever ever get a good national team when a talent like Tammy not find a place in a Prem team. Chelsea is the worst team to sign for as a junior. Parachute payments should be scrapped. If you can't get your house in order when you get 100 million for coming last then you don't deserve any help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 1, 2018 Report Share Posted September 1, 2018 15 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: That was my first thought when I saw the move, I bet Kodjia is hanging out the welcome bunting for Tammy I really wonder if it will work. Kodjia obviously likes being the main man and Tammy was best in a mobile central role, lets say they play a 2. With 2 wingers and Grealish central that's a lot of attacking power, not sure what the rest will be like. I didn't go along with all the hate toward them and hoping that FFP catches up with them......... I'm getting there now. How long before Bruce starts complaining about not having the money to compete, cock ! What have they spent , about £50-60m before this season(net) and he was complaining ! I would love to see what would happen if they didn't go up, fire sale anyone I think we play the typical underdog fan....and feel aggrieved that a ‘big’ club with £91m of parachute money start bleating about not having the players or the squad, whilst having players on huge wages and then loaning players like Tammy. Boro are the same with Pulis. That’s why we all want them to fail....and rightly so. They are effectively playing to a different set of rules...and yet Bruce is moaning. You could argue that his predecessors (Sherwood, Garde, DiMatteo) burdened him with players on excessive wages that he didn’t want, but he went big on Terry for a 1 year deal, when he could’ve looked at more sensible signings that might’ve put them in a better position should they not get promoted. I think he arrogantly thought they would get promoted (he reckoned with Cardiff, Fulham and Wolves) and had no contingent plan. I really hope they don’t get promoted this season, and start to face the realities of other clubs in this division. We didn’t hear Farke moaning at Norwich, he just had to get on with selling off his jewels. I don’t think we’ll be the only fans in this division hoping they stay down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted September 1, 2018 Report Share Posted September 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Davefevs said: They are effectively playing to a different set of rules...and yet Bruce is moaning. Very true that, agree with all you say. Just looked at https://www.transfermarkt.com/aston-villa/transfers/verein/405/plus/0?saison_id=2016&pos=&detailpos=&w_s= and the 5 signings they made in their first year down that were higher than our record signing amounted to £52.9m , in total I think it was nearer £85m. I hate the feeling of entitlement, oh they should be in the Prem, no they shouldn't they weren't good enough. I know the parachute payments have changed( I think they are the last ones with 3 years) so the payments are less, and they sold some players but if they don't go up they could be looking at fines , or worse maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You Do The Dziekanowski Posted September 1, 2018 Report Share Posted September 1, 2018 12 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said: But Bruce holds the record for most promotions from the championship to the premier league....he ain’t too shabby... He wasn’t too shabby. Tactics are dated and philosophy’s as well. Villa should have gone up the last two seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted September 1, 2018 Report Share Posted September 1, 2018 35 minutes ago, cider-manc said: Parachute payments should be scrapped. If you can't get your house in order when you get 100 million for coming last then you don't deserve any help. I'd say teams should get 1 seasons worth of wages, so you get 12 months to get your house in order following relegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted September 1, 2018 Report Share Posted September 1, 2018 28th September.......................Kodja n Abrahams, how very ironic? What a deeply satisfying achievement a clean sheet would be? And an added 3 points would be immense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider-manc Posted September 1, 2018 Report Share Posted September 1, 2018 27 minutes ago, hodge said: I'd say teams should get 1 seasons worth of wages, so you get 12 months to get your house in order following relegation. Would possibly be a fairer way. But many teams (not all) lose most of their high earners when they are relegated anyway. All parachute payments do is allows then to sign a load of top earners in the divison below. All the clubs need do is add a releagation clause which either reduces the players wages or releases them and they would all be fine. But they don't. Thats their fault and i don't see why relegated clubs should get help to go out and sign ex england captains on 80k (or whatever it was) a week in a divison where that sort of money is unsustainable for anyone without parachute payments. It's diluted the market for the worse. How long before parachute payments are required for releagation to league one as championship teams are having to over spend to compete? I really really hate parachute payments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted September 1, 2018 Report Share Posted September 1, 2018 29 minutes ago, hodge said: I'd say teams should get 1 seasons worth of wages, so you get 12 months to get your house in order following relegation. Agreed...........4 seasons, is 3 seasons too long. It also seems wrong that a team that goes up, only to come straight back down the following season, gets just 2 seasons? When surely a long established Prem side [9-10 years?] would have larger and stronger resources to cope with relegation, yet they get 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 1, 2018 Report Share Posted September 1, 2018 16 minutes ago, cider-manc said: Would possibly be a fairer way. But many teams (not all) lose most of their high earners when they are relegated anyway. All parachute payments do is allows then to sign a load of top earners in the divison below. All the clubs need do is add a releagation clause which either reduces the players wages or releases them and they would all be fine. But they don't. Thats their fault and i don't see why relegated clubs should get help to go out and sign ex england captains on 80k (or whatever it was) a week in a divison where that sort of money is unsustainable for anyone without parachute payments. It's diluted the market for the worse. How long before parachute payments are required for releagation to league one as championship teams are having to over spend to compete? I really really hate parachute payments. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulcityfan Posted September 1, 2018 Report Share Posted September 1, 2018 17 hours ago, Vincent Vega said: Around 7.5 Million for a season if the prices are to be believed Worth the gamble for a prize of £400 mil? Some clubs are willing to play serious in the Championship casino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted September 1, 2018 Report Share Posted September 1, 2018 42 minutes ago, cider-manc said: Would possibly be a fairer way. But many teams (not all) lose most of their high earners when they are relegated anyway. All parachute payments do is allows then to sign a load of top earners in the divison below. All the clubs need do is add a releagation clause which either reduces the players wages or releases them and they would all be fine. But they don't. Thats their fault and i don't see why relegated clubs should get help to go out and sign ex england captains on 80k (or whatever it was) a week in a divison where that sort of money is unsustainable for anyone without parachute payments. It's diluted the market for the worse. How long before parachute payments are required for releagation to league one as championship teams are having to over spend to compete? I really really hate parachute payments. I agree and they absolutely f-up the natural order of things in the Championship - it's protectionism giving relegated teams an unfair advantage for several seasons over existing FL teams. As an inducement/sweetener to continuing links with the FL parachute payments were added to mitigate the impact of relegation on PL member clubs, who otherwise might have opted to form closed league. I think they go that way in a heart beat if their parachute payment system was put under threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted September 1, 2018 Report Share Posted September 1, 2018 33 minutes ago, paulcityfan said: Worth the gamble for a prize of £400 mil? Some clubs are willing to play serious in the Championship casino Genuinely hope they go bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzy Red Posted September 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2018 Any reason why Tammy not played not even on bench Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joenaldo Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 11 minutes ago, Fitzy Red said: Any reason why Tammy not played not even on bench Wasnt signed in time to be in the squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garland-sweden Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 Can't buy me Love. The Beatles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 10 hours ago, joenaldo said: Wasnt signed in time to be in the squad Yep, that's correct. Villa lost 4-1 today, which was very pleasing, however when a certain winger is fit and up to speed.................they will have a forward line of Bolasie, Kodja & Abrahams. They appear to have a formidable midfield & attack, but their defence seems extremely average? Just grateful they didn't acquire Bryan & Flint.....as they would surely have ended up as a Bristol City FC Tribute act!!? Can see a few high scoring games coming from them, both scored and conceded? Lets hope for another 4-1 on the 28th? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 Danger for Vila is that with such a big and talented squad, not everyone will get a game. There will be some bruised ego's, especially when certain players don't get picked. Disaffection can spread quickly, with infighting and disputes between players, management staff and various cliques. It can all go pear-shaped for them - and I hope it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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