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Walsh must play but that means a change in formation.


Ashtonwurzel

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You know...I’m not sure it does.

Its been said many times but formations are far more fluid nowadays. During games we’ve switched without changing personnel.

If you say the back 4 is a 4 (yes I know how that sounds), then your question is how the six in front of them line up. Even if we officially play 4-4-2, the fact is that Pato/Taylor often drop deep to make it a 4-5-1. I’d argue we were playing that Saturday.

As long as you have an intelligent energetic front six, in our current options the only two whose positions would be naturally less fluid are Pack and Fam (NE to a lesser degree). You could play the top 6 who started second half on sat in an official 4-4-2, but it would vary as the game demanded.

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1 hour ago, hodge said:

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......Brownhill ..... Pack ..... Walsh 

Weimann ........... Taylor .......... Eliasson 

I’d go Watkins for Eliasson. Watkins probably our best finisher and that front 6 seriously lacks it. Brownhill, Pack or Walsh on FK. Not quite a good as NE but each offer decent set pieces. 

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1 hour ago, Ashtonwurzel said:

Absolutely brilliant when he came on Saturday and must start the next game.

This will mean we move to a 4-3-3 or 3-5-2 though as I can't see us playing with him and 2 wide midfielders in a midfield 4. Thoughts ?

Sorry but I totally disagree, yes Walsh musty play (was fantastic when he came on) but you cannot change the formation to accommodate another player. We have been much more resolute as we have established our current formation. We have to drop a player out to bring Walsh in . Simple replacement that's all , i'm a massive Brownhill fan but I think Josh looks a bit 'leggy' at the moment I'd rest Josh and give Walsh his chance. Keep that continuity going ! COYR

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Most of us are quite rightly very impressed with Walsh on Saturday and calling for him to start next game but it was only 45 mins twe saw and too premature to see him as the answer to the wafer thin midfield options.

In fact I’m not convinced that LJ does see the midfield as ‘wafer thin’ so I seriously doubt that Walsh will get to start at Reading. LJ said post match that Walsh ‘looked good in a three’  but since KS got injured  he’s played just Pack and Brownhill with Pato making up the numbers with either Eliasson or CoD out wide.

The starting 11 at Reading will be interesting to see.........

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4 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Most of us are quite rightly very impressed with Walsh on Saturday and calling for him to start next game but it was only 45 mins twe saw and too premature to see him as the answer to the wafer thin midfield options.

In fact I’m not convinced that LJ does see the midfield as ‘wafer thin’ so I seriously doubt that Walsh will get to start at Reading. LJ said post match that Walsh ‘looked good in a three’  but since KS got injured  he’s played just Pack and Brownhill with Pato making up the numbers with either Eliasson or CoD out wide.

The starting 11 at Reading will be interesting to see.........

Isn't the obvious answer to drop Paterson for Walsh? 

But then the question comes back to who do you play up front? Diedhiou needs a winger, or at least that seems to be LJ's opinion, which means Eliasson, plus he seems to be our dead ball specialist, leaving only one other place up front for either Weimann or Taylor. Weimann is more talented and would benefit from Walsh playing, but seems to have no link with Diedhiou, whereas Taylor seems more effective, annoying to defenders, and seems to be able to link with Diedhiou. So maybe start with Diedhiou, Eliasson & Taylor, then bring on Weimann as a replacement in the second half, when his pace can expose tiring defenders.

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41 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

I’d go Watkins for Eliasson. Watkins probably our best finisher and that front 6 seriously lacks it. Brownhill, Pack or Walsh on FK. Not quite a good as NE but each offer decent set pieces. 

Watkins for Weimann I’d say. 

Weimann hasn’t really impressed out wide at derby or villa and Eliasson is our only good set piece taker, whilst being our only player who seems willing to beat his man

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3 hours ago, Silvio Dante said:

You know...I’m not sure it does.

Its been said many times but formations are far more fluid nowadays. During games we’ve switched without changing personnel.

If you say the back 4 is a 4 (yes I know how that sounds), then your question is how the six in front of them line up. Even if we officially play 4-4-2, the fact is that Pato/Taylor often drop deep to make it a 4-5-1. I’d argue we were playing that Saturday.

As long as you have an intelligent energetic front six, in our current options the only two whose positions would be naturally less fluid are Pack and Fam (NE to a lesser degree). You could play the top 6 who started second half on sat in an official 4-4-2, but it would vary as the game demanded.

If we had Brownhill on one wing and O'Dowda on the other- with say Pack and Walsh in the centre, then the fluidity- I'd tend to agree.

They can drop deep, but it could be even better in that sense- the formation when we had all the injuries last year was the most consistently fluid I've seen us as this level- agree that it can switch, but it can be even better- 4-4-2 would be very fluid in that instance, along the lines of last season. (I know O'Dowda not in the best form, but he can IMO be better suited to coming inside than Eliasson or Watkins). Last season during the bad run, Brownhill did play on the right, with Bryan on the left while Wright and Magnússon as full back.

Brownhill Pack Walsh O'Dowda OR Eliasson

              Weimann Taylor

OR

Brownhill Pack Walsh O'Dowda OR Eliasson

                         Paterson

             Weimann OR Taylor

Still would prefer a 3 though, either 3-5-2 or 4-3-3 tbh.

Maybe even when people fit though, something like:

Brownhill Pack Smith O'Dowda OR Eliasson

                       Walsh

                Weimann or Taylor

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1 hour ago, JBFC II said:

Watkins for Weimann I’d say. 

Weimann hasn’t really impressed out wide at derby or villa and Eliasson is our only good set piece taker, whilst being our only player who seems willing to beat his man

Idk it is tough because for me Weimann gives the better movement, work rate and football IQ. Whereas Eliasson has the ability to beat his man and get a cross in. That said it is not a front 3 that will challenege aerially in the box. So why I went Weimann because he helps with the football on the floor imo. 

That is the thing dropping a striker is we lose even more goal threat. Probably why Fam would have to play in a 433. Taylor does a lot of things better but think Fam is a better goal scorer. It is a tough one all around really. 

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                             O'Leary

          Kalas         Webster         Kelly

                      Pack     Brownhill                         

Elliason                                               DaSilva

                             Walsh

               Weimann          Fammy

 

For me.

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28 minutes ago, Ashtonwurzel said:

                             O'Leary

          Kalas         Webster         Kelly

                      Pack     Brownhill                         

Elliason                                               DaSilva

                             Walsh

               Weimann          Fammy

 

For me.

Wouldn't mind this. To my mind, DaSilva is a natural winger who has probably got shifted to defence because he doesn't score goals.

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1 hour ago, Ashtonwurzel said:

                             O'Leary

          Kalas         Webster         Kelly

                      Pack     Brownhill                         

Elliason                                               DaSilva

                             Walsh

               Weimann          Fammy

 

For me.

Wouldn't mind something like that, but I'd play Taylor instead of Weimann as I don't think Fam and he can play together. Also Elliason would be one of the first on the team sheet at the moment for me.

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1 hour ago, Ashtonwurzel said:

                             O'Leary

          Kalas         Webster         Kelly

                      Pack     Brownhill                         

Elliason                                               DaSilva

                             Walsh

               Weimann          Fammy

 

For me.

I like this a lot 

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35 minutes ago, Red Ferret said:

I don't see why the formation needs to change. He's very willing to get stuck in and tackle from what I've seen. 

Because a lot of sides in this division play 3 centrally, or 2 centrally with a player behind who can make a 3, or in front who can drop back in?

When up against decent sides, 2 vs 3 can cause quite a few problems.

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I’m still in favour of a 4141 (or 433 variant) based on the players we have.  Something like this for the front 6:

Pack 

Watkins | Brownhill | Walsh | Eliasson

Weimann

It would call for some tough decisions, but I think it makes us more condensed especially if full-backs can join in, because Pack just sits.  It’s not too dissimilar to how we played v Man City, where Paterson and Reid on occasions swapped with each other.  Getting Brownhill and Walsh close to the striker is key to keeping the ball on the grass...and why we looked good on Saturday.

In terms of the wingers / wide-men you can take your pick really., 

 

 

 

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15 hours ago, Davefevs said:

I’m still in favour of a 4141 (or 433 variant) based on the players we have.  Something like this for the front 6:

Pack 

Watkins | Brownhill | Walsh | Eliasson

Weimann

It would call for some tough decisions, but I think it makes us more condensed especially if full-backs can join in, because Pack just sits.  It’s not too dissimilar to how we played v Man City, where Paterson and Reid on occasions swapped with each other.  Getting Brownhill and Walsh close to the striker is key to keeping the ball on the grass...and why we looked good on Saturday.

In terms of the wingers / wide-men you can take your pick really., 

 

 

 

Tend to agree with that setup overall- it does highlight though that we have the options now to play multiple ways (IMO) but the 4-1-4-1/4-3-3 variant looks good I think.

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