Bristol South End

[Olé]

Random historical question: a) was Bristol South End's formation as our origin in 1894 a response to Preston North End and b) given that actual Southend weren't formed until 1906, is tomorrow English football's original and only North End South End showdown.

[cidered abroad]

I would hazard a guess that you are correct although I have no evidence to prove or disprove. The simple imitation of Preston's name seems so obvious to me.

[pongo88]

A post by @handsofclay in a previous thread is below. This sounds as though the name is just a reflection of the fact that the team played in the south of Bristol. 

“I am going to really confuse matters now by revealing that when I was chatting to our official club historian, David Woods, a few months ago, he informed me that he has been finding very good links between Bristol South End and a club called Bristol South which suggest that Bristol South End were a continuation of the Bristol South club who disbanded c.1894, I believe Bristol South might well have been in existence prior to 1883, so if these links can be proven with more evidence it could mean that Bristol City are the oldest club in Bristol.”

[Lanterne Rouge]

There is Glossop North End  - presumably that was an imitation as well. They play in the Northern Premier League First Division West against the likes of Leek Town and Droylesden. They were a league club once back before the war.

[handsofclay]

26 minutes ago, Olé said:

Random historical question: a) was Bristol South End's formation as our origin in 1894 a response to Preston North End and b) given that actual Southend weren't formed until 1906, is tomorrow English football's original and only North End South End showdown.

Yes you are correct. Bristol South End did somewhat ape PNE in 1894 as PNE were the famed 'Invincibles' of the 1888-89 season. Indeed, BSE arranged a prestigious friendly against PNE at St John's Lane in 1895. Unfortunately, a little lad died coming away from the match.

As Pongo has stated, there is also a possible link with the Bristol South club disbanded c.1894. But, it appears that the word 'End' might well have been tacked on to the possibly reformed club as a nod to PNE.One thing that does make me doubt a homage to PNE is that BSE didn't adopt their colours.

[Mike Hunt-Hertz]

BSE is an unfortunate acronym!

[eardun]

I’ve always thought that, having dropped the name Wedlock, the South Stand ought to have been named the South End in recognition of our history. (A bit of a clash with the name East End I guess although more geographically accurate!)

[handsofclay]

24 minutes ago, Mike Hunt-Hertz said:

BSE is an unfortunate acronym!

Yes, it was with tremendous foresight that the directors of BSE changed their name to Bristol City in 1897 having received a cash incentive to do so from a group of Cockneys who were desperately lacking a slang word for boobs.

[REDOXO]

1 hour ago, Olé said:

Random historical question: a) was Bristol South End's formation as our origin in 1894 a response to Preston North End and b) given that actual Southend weren't formed until 1906, is tomorrow English football's original and only North End South End showdown.

Southend say no!

[T R]

Didn't Bristol South End have a B team called Bristol South who played for about four years before disbanding?

[T R]

Is the south corner of the south stand pointing towards our old ground at St Johns Lane

[Septic Peg]

19 minutes ago, Threshing Red said:

Is the south corner of the south stand pointing towards our old ground at St Johns Lane

Yes. The Lansdown/SS corner is geographically south.

[T R]

13 minutes ago, Septic Peg said:

Yes. The Lansdown/SS corner is geographically south.

So the other side next to the dolman is the south east corner

[Fpcity]

34 minutes ago, Threshing Red said:

Is the south corner of the south stand pointing towards our old ground at St Johns Lane

Where on St Johns Lane was the ground?

[T R]

2 minutes ago, paul_fox said:

Where on St Johns Lane was the ground?

I think it's the junior rugby club now, also think there is a pub just outside on the main road but I cant remember the name

[miser]

24 minutes ago, Threshing Red said:

I think it's the junior rugby club now, also think there is a pub just outside on the main road but I cant remember the name

Broad plain rugby. The Brunel (formerly the Engineers Arms or The House that Jack built - cracking pint of Watneys Red Barrel). Look for the side street - Bristol South End.

[East End Old Boy]

10 hours ago, pongo88 said:

so if these links can be proven with more evidence it could mean that Bristol City are the oldest club in Bristol.”

Totally irrelevant, as we all know that there is only OTIB! 

[Offside]

According to David Woods' book entitled The First 100 Years of Bristol City, the disbanding of Bristol South A.F.C was one factor that that led a group of 18 football enthusiasts holding a meeting to form Bristol South End. Bristol South had only just won the South Bristol & District League. The book doesn't provide a date for when Bristol South were formed, but it does state that a J.A. Stevens, one of the attendees at the meeting, admired Preston North End so suggested the Bristol South End name.

 

[NOTBLUE]

1 hour ago, Offside said:

According to David Woods' book entitled The First 100 Years of Bristol City, the disbanding of Bristol South A.F.C was one factor that that led a group of 18 football enthusiasts holding a meeting to form Bristol South End. Bristol South had only just won the South Bristol & District League. The book doesn't provide a date for when Bristol South were formed, but it does state that a J.A. Stevens, one of the attendees at the meeting, admired Preston North End so suggested the Bristol South End name.

 

Although the book doesn’t give a date I would hazard a guess at “1882”,.

[myol'man]

11 hours ago, paul_fox said:

Where on St Johns Lane was the ground?

See my avatar

[exAtyeoMax]

I also think the south stand should be named either Bristol or Bedminster South end. Aren’t the eastenders called that because they were in the east end of the wedlock’s?

[42nite]

13 hours ago, Threshing Red said:

I think it's the junior rugby club now, also think there is a pub just outside on the main road but I cant remember the name

 

Used to beThe Engineers Arms in my time.

Don't know what it is now.

 

[Offside]

5 minutes ago, 42nite said:

 

Used to beThe Engineers Arms in my time.

Don't know what it is now.

 

I think it's called The Brunel now.