JulieH Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 1 minute ago, KevP said: You clearly have a lot of questions to answer. I will speak to the young man who this was directed at. It's not the first time Police have used such language at football. Shame because it does nothing to earn respect and just fuels situations like these. Feel free to give him my details and we can look further into it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, KevP said: You clearly have a lot of questions to answer. I will speak to the young man who this was directed at. It's not the first time Police have used such language at football. Shame because it does nothing to earn respect and just fuels situations like these. And this is where you tell us the young man it was aimed at was totally innocent and doing nothing wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevP Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Andy082005 said: And this is where you tell us the young man it was aimed at was totally innocent and doing nothing wrong? Correct....you're too good at this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 18 minutes ago, JulieH said: Feel free to give him my details and we can look further into it . Feel sorry for you Julie. Seems many want the right to kick off a bit, blame the police AND treat you like a PA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 With regards to people suggesting the trouble occurred yesterday because of the additional tickets allocation and that this should never have happened... surely if some were intent on causing trouble they would have been at the front of the queue when tickets were released originally? I doubt very much they waited for a further allocation to be made before deciding to come over and start kicking off! It seems quite apparent that the trouble wasn’t anything to do with the additional allocation of tickets! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieH Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 1 minute ago, CotswoldRed said: Feel sorry for you Julie. Seems many want the right to kick off a bit, blame the police AND treat you like a PA. Unfortunately I am used to it I don’t mind tbh, happy to take questions on anything but ultimately as already been quoted on here the 1% of so called fans seemed intent on serious disorder and sought it all day , either pre and during the match and definitely post match . It’s sad that people I know who were there with children were frightened by the fighting, and subsequent police actions, it is not something that should be acceptable just for supporting your football team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, JulieH said: Unfortunately I am used to it I don’t mind tbh, happy to take questions on anything but ultimately as already been quoted on here the 1% of so called fans seemed intent on serious disorder and sought it all day , either pre and during the match and definitely post match . It’s sad that people I know who were there with children were frightened by the fighting, and subsequent police actions, it is not something that should be acceptable just for supporting your football team. Well said. These dinosaurs aren’t football fans, they’re morons. Their behaviour belongs in the past and hopefully both clubs will take action against anyone identified in actively seeking it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 9 minutes ago, JulieH said: Unfortunately I am used to it I don’t mind tbh, happy to take questions on anything but ultimately as already been quoted on here the 1% of so called fans seemed intent on serious disorder and sought it all day , either pre and during the match and definitely post match . It’s sad that people I know who were there with children were frightened by the fighting, and subsequent police actions, it is not something that should be acceptable just for supporting your football team. The sad thing about it is that they will claim they support the club when actually they just use it as an excuse for a fight. If it wasn’t football they would find something else. There aren’t may other opportunities where you get this number of people all in one place. Real fans of the club will 100% say that these idiots are not fighting on behalf of our club and are not “honouring” the badge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: Well said. These dinosaurs aren’t football fans, they’re morons. Their behaviour belongs in the past and hopefully both clubs will take action against anyone identified in actively seeking it out. Indeed. I am sure there are things the police could have done differently, and would do differently next time, but the situation only arises because some people don’t seem to be able to go to a game of football and not be an arsehole. I absolutely hate dealing with the police as an away fan, and have seen my share of over-zealous policing and certsomly have had moments where I have felt like I have been treated as a criminal simply for wanting to watch City away from home but, every time something like this happens, it puts clubs and police forces under pressure to have more of a police presence to have more of a police presence next time and just makes it worse for all the fans who just want to watch a game of football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marksy Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 25 minutes ago, JulieH said: Unfortunately I am used to it I don’t mind tbh, happy to take questions on anything but ultimately as already been quoted on here the 1% of so called fans seemed intent on serious disorder and sought it all day , either pre and during the match and definitely post match . It’s sad that people I know who were there with children were frightened by the fighting, and subsequent police actions, it is not something that should be acceptable just for supporting your football team. I think the police do a great Job. Keep up the good work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Snufflelufagus said: So the decision to let everyone out at the Same time was made by the 'Safety Officer' ? I think it's nice how the work experience person was allowed to perform this role yesterday. Happens a lot. You might almost think clashes are encouraged. Beggars belief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 If the Safety Officer made the decision to allow Swansea fans out with no delay at full time then he or she is incompetent and not fit for that job, simple as that. Incidents that occurred before and during the game made it obvious that a15-20 minute lock in of the away fans was required. It’s not being wise with hindsight either. It was obvious to the vast majority of people in attendance yesterday but not the person who gets paid to make the call!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieH Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 16 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said: Indeed. I am sure there are things the police could have done differently, and would do differently next time, but the situation only arises because some people don’t seem to be able to go to a game of football and not be an arsehole. I absolutely hate dealing with the police as an away fan, and have seen my share of over-zealous policing and certsomly have had moments where I have felt like I have been treated as a criminal simply for wanting to watch City away from home but, every time something like this happens, it puts clubs and police forces under pressure to have more of a police presence to have more of a police presence next time and just makes it worse for all the fans who just want to watch a game of football. Unfortunately you are not wrong. my inbox will be full of the remaining away team football officers asking if the away policing operations should be reviewed because of this. Its very frustrating as the away policing this season has decreased considerably with police services very complimentary around city fans behaviour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 38 minutes ago, JulieH said: Unfortunately I am used to it I don’t mind tbh, happy to take questions on anything but ultimately as already been quoted on here the 1% of so called fans seemed intent on serious disorder and sought it all day , either pre and during the match and definitely post match . It’s sad that people I know who were there with children were frightened by the fighting, and subsequent police actions, it is not something that should be acceptable just for supporting your football team. Can't say I was particularly frightened for myself or my young son in his wheelchair, but the idiots running around A11, one or two climbing and risking falling on to wheelchair users angered me greatly. By this time ALL stewards from the section had gone. The greatest risk to my personal safety was constantly telling people to **** off out of A11. In the end I left early for the first time in 30 years as it wasn't fair to my son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 18 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said: The sad thing about it is that they will claim they support the club when actually they just use it as an excuse for a fight. If it wasn’t football they would find something else. There aren’t may other opportunities where you get this number of people all in one place. Real fans of the club will 100% say that these idiots are not fighting on behalf of our club and are not “honouring” the badge. If the club had ignored the sage advice of the police and limited Swansea to its 10% allocation. The visitors would have been made up of season ticket holders who are in the main law abiding.If that had been the case there wouldnt have been large groups of unescorted males from south wales attempting to "take" pubs early doors and the subsequent reaction from locals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 1 hour ago, KevP said: Hi Julie. He must have a twin then. !! I know you've not answered some of my questions on this thread probably because the FAO @JulieH thread covered them, but could you comment on the foul language used by one of your WPC colleagues please ? Thanks. Are you really complaining that a WPC swore at your friend? No need to answer until you get back from Church...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl&Toby Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 27 minutes ago, JulieH said: Unfortunately I am used to it I don’t mind tbh, happy to take questions on anything but ultimately as already been quoted on here the 1% of so called fans seemed intent on serious disorder and sought it all day , either pre and during the match and definitely post match . It’s sad that people I know who were there with children were frightened by the fighting, and subsequent police actions, it is not something that should be acceptable just for supporting your football team. @JulieH absolutely spot on. But - and my guess is you knew there’d be a but - if the club increase away ticket allocation by almost 50%, presumably with SAG and/or police agreement then it must be incumbent upon all of those involved to make sure that’s done safely and sensibly. Allowing a situation to develop between two a Welsh club and us - where last time a decision was taken not to allow a flag to be waved - seems odd. For whatever reason the escort for the Swansea fans allowed them to arrive late. They then appeared to swarm in and either wind up the Swansea fans who were already in the ground or seemed intent on goading City fans. They then seemed to climb over the so called sterile areas with ease. The hard yoofs ran from an area in the Dolman to respond. At least one - he with the nice clean white cap - was able to get pitch side and run along to land punches. There was no police in the area. Unlike the occasions earlier this season when What seems like riot police form a line between S82 fans and the rest of BCFC fans. Like the big boy he was he soon disappeared, throwing his cap off as he did so. At the end of the game - a game where there had been an element of trouble - all the fans are allowed to leave together. Now it doesn’t take a genius to realise that in that situation doing so was only going to lead to one thing....... Don’t get me wrong those who indulge in misdemeanours are solely responsible for their actions but some of the decisions that led upto what happens makes me question whether the words police and intelligence should be used in the same sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Loon plage said: If the club had ignored the sage advice of the police and limited Swansea to its 10% allocation. The visitors would have been made up of season ticket holders who are in the main law abiding.If that had been the case there wouldnt have been large groups of unescorted males from south wales attempting to "take" pubs early doors and the subsequent reaction from locals. So you don’t think any “trouble makers” are season ticket holders? I would say they are more than likely be season ticket holders who purely have season tickets so they get priority for games they know they will be able to have a little scuffle at. Surely the additional allocation of tickets were still only on sale to season ticket holders rather than general sale? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, Numero Uno said: If the Safety Officer made the decision to allow Swansea fans out with no delay at full time then he or she is incompetent and not fit for that job, simple as that. Incidents that occurred before and during the game made it obvious that a15-20 minute lock in of the away fans was required. It’s not being wise with hindsight either. It was obvious to the vast majority of people in attendance yesterday but not the person who gets paid to make the call!!!! Storr ex WMP works very closely with Julie and her colleagues and knew exactly what they were doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevP Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, Numero Uno said: Are you really complaining that a WPC swore at your friend? No need to answer until you get back from Church...... Funny boy.....point is that sort of thing causes kick offs...and on this occasion a number of adults were clearly angry with the language. But in answer to your question, no, I've not actually complained. Now shut the F up and let me get on with choosing the hymns for later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 49 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said: With regards to people suggesting the trouble occurred yesterday because of the additional tickets allocation and that this should never have happened... surely if some were intent on causing trouble they would have been at the front of the queue when tickets were released originally? I doubt very much they waited for a further allocation to be made before deciding to come over and start kicking off! It seems quite apparent that the trouble wasn’t anything to do with the additional allocation of tickets! Season ticket holders would have priority. The trouble was absolutely about the additional allocation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, Loon plage said: Storr ex WMP works very closely with Julie and her colleagues and knew exactly what they were doing. If they “knew what they were doing” yesterday I would also like to “know” what their agenda is!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markman Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 10 minutes ago, Numero Uno said: Are you really complaining that a WPC swore at your friend? No need to answer until you get back from Church...... Actually - it is pretty grim that this happens - maybe you just accept it? Few years back at Brentford the Police called my then 10 year old a stupid C*** for trying to cross the road (safely) to our car - I suppose I should have laughed and thanked him because it is ok really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 The minority always impact on the majority. I walked back across the park with some Swansea fans who were just as critical as I was about what was going on around the playground. Comments such as "No I don't want to get involved. We've lost, I'm cold & I just want to go home" to "It's pathetic" or "Belongs in the 70s or 80s". As one of them also put it, "it's a load of ****s jacked up on coke". The reality is a small number of people use football as an excuse for a fight, claiming some sort of misplaced tribal loyalty, which the use of illegal substances doesn't help, especially in terms of self control. Whilst the police are not always angels in the face of verbal abuse and some pushing and shoving (tbf who would be?) and some times over react, they are somewhat damned if they do and damned if they don't however they get involved. As for the idiots who went onto the pitch, they are just idiots. No more needs to be said. They should be banned for life and rightly so. We all know that Dolman A block attracts a certain type of person, especially in the lower part, so much of the stand off in that corner was no surprise. What was surprising was how few stewards and police were positioned there to start with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said: So you don’t think any “trouble makers” are season ticket holders? I would say they are more than likely be season ticket holders who purely have season tickets so they get priority for games they know they will be able to have a little scuffle at. Surely the additional allocation of tickets were still only on sale to season ticket holders rather than general sale? Very few louts are season ticket holders.Swansea does not have a reputation for football violence generally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 2 hours ago, richwwtk said: How is it that the police seem to be getting a lot of stick here but not the ***** that can't go to a football match without trying to kick ten tons of shit out of each other? Dont talk sense on this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Markman said: Actually - it is pretty grim that this happens - maybe you just accept it? Few years back at Brentford the Police called my then 10 year old a stupid C*** for trying to cross the road (safely) to our car - I suppose I should have laughed and thanked him because it is ok really Clearly if it’s aimed at a 10 year old child that is different and it goes without saying that you did the correct thing, took his badge number and made a formal complaint rather than laughing at him and saying thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Numero Uno said: If they “knew what they were doing” yesterday I would also like to “know” what their agenda is!!!! Good stats and banning orders whilst putting normal folks at risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 54 minutes ago, JulieH said: Unfortunately I am used to it I don’t mind tbh, happy to take questions on anything but ultimately as already been quoted on here the 1% of so called fans seemed intent on serious disorder and sought it all day , either pre and during the match and definitely post match . It’s sad that people I know who were there with children were frightened by the fighting, and subsequent police actions, it is not something that should be acceptable just for supporting your football team. Is cctv available to identify and ban these morons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Super said: Is cctv available to identify and ban these morons? Apparently so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Loon plage said: Good stats and banning orders whilst putting normal folks at risk. I’d like to say that is a ridiculous comment but when you look at the decisions made by the Safety Officer and Police at the end of the game yesterday........it does make you wonder tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said: Apparently so. Good hopefully these idiots will be doing other things on Saturday afternoons. No loss thats for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieH Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Super said: Is cctv available to identify and ban these morons? Hopefully, meeting and reviewing club cctv on Tuesday . Police evidence gatherers footage being downloaded and will review that also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Super said: Is cctv available to identify and ban these morons? Anyone who caused trouble inside the ground should be identifiable unless the Safety Officer made the decision to turn off the CCTV at the same time they decided to let everyone out at the end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 My observations,which @BigAlToby&Liam also mentions, was that the atmosphere certainly changed with the arrival of the Swansea latecomers. You could clearly see from my view at the Southstand end of the Dolman they entered in at the left hand side and made their way to the right hand side. I don’t know why they were allowed to move across the stand as they did. Also why was there no netting ( that I could see) in the RH corner. So if I had to recommend action for the future: Latecomers are not allowed to move to already packed areas of a stand. Netting at both corners, a limited help but it is a barrier. Don’t let fans out at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 1 minute ago, JulieH said: Hopefully, meeting and reviewing club cctv on Tuesday . Police evidence gatherers footage being downloaded and will review that also Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 Given everyone knows you're likely to be identified inside a stadium these days, the average IQ of attending City fans will surely rise after these bans. One positive at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, RedM said: My observations,which @BigAlToby&Liam also mentions, was that the atmosphere certainly changed with the arrival of the Swansea latecomers. You could clearly see from my view at the Southstand end of the Dolman they entered in at the left hand side and made their way to the right hand side. I don’t know why they were allowed to move across the stand as they did. Also why was there no netting ( that I could see) in the RH corner. So if I had to recommend action for the future: Latecomers are not allowed to move to already packed areas of a stand. Netting at both corners, a limited help but it is a barrier. Don’t let fans out at the same time. There was black netting in both the left and right hand corners....this was ripped up by late arriving Swansea yobs so they could stand there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Spoons said: There was black netting in both the left and right hand corners....this was ripped up by late arriving Swansea yobs so they could stand there. Thank you. I wasn’t sure as that corner is along my line of sight from my position. Well that netting didn’t work then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said: Given everyone knows you're likely to be identified inside a stadium these days, the average IQ of attending City fans will surely rise after these bans. One positive at least. Especially the 2/3 who jumped the barrier to run at Swansea fans. I seriously hope they enjoy there 5 minutes of fame with there mates as they will end up with lifetime bans from Ashton gate and 5 year banning orders, passports being handed in when England play and a nice fine. Possibly lose there job... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markman Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 10 minutes ago, Numero Uno said: Clearly if it’s aimed at a 10 year old child that is different and it goes without saying that you did the correct thing, took his badge number and made a formal complaint rather than laughing at him and saying thanks. Actually no I did not - I challenged him (without swearing) but I was annoyed and did shout and then got threatened with arrest (full of foul abuse) if I continued and I had 2 x 10 year olds with me who were frightened and scared - I should have said would mind not shouting so I can make a note of your number and complain formally but my priority was to get the little ones away Not really arguing over this but it is not right and in my 40 years of watching City I have seen plenty of diabolical and unwarranted abuse and violence from the custodians of the law directed at supporters - does not make it right that they get it but it is their job - my big Bother was Old Bill he used to enjoy the footy games so not all of them are made to attend and put up with the minority hooligans - he use to volunteer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 I'd love to know who thinks these pre game escorts are a good idea? Especially ones that arrive 20 minutes late winding up the away fans who then goad home fans. Doesnt work with our fans away, see the damage done to the Great Western in 2013 and doesn't work here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 14 hours ago, KevP said: Took the Police dogs by surprise too ....we saw 4 fighting WITH EACH OTHER in the park......Avon and somersets finest. You couldn't make it up !! Probably realised Dopey Darrell was sniffing around the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 1 minute ago, cidercity1987 said: I'd love to know who thinks these pre game escorts are a good idea? Especially ones that arrive 20 minutes late winding up the away fans who then goad home fans. Doesnt work with our fans away, see the damage done to the Great Western in 2013 and doesn't work here. Public transport and escorts for games like this is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Spoons said: Especially the 2/3 who jumped the barrier to run at Swansea fans. I seriously hope they enjoy there 5 minutes of fame with there mates as they will end up with lifetime bans from Ashton gate and 5 year banning orders, passports being handed in when England play and a nice fine. Possibly lose there job... I did think when seeing that whether they would sober up and wonder if what they did was ever with it, especially for the idiot who goaded the fans when we scored only then to have the goal ruled out. Double idiot that one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: I'd love to know who thinks these pre game escorts are a good idea? Especially ones that arrive 20 minutes late winding up the away fans who then goad home fans. Doesnt work with our fans away, see the damage done to the Great Western in 2013 and doesn't work here. You seriously think that if there was no escorts that fans would be better behaved? Yesterday for example? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 87 Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, Spoons said: Especially the 2/3 who jumped the barrier to run at Swansea fans. I seriously hope they enjoy there 5 minutes of fame with there mates as they will end up with lifetime bans from Ashton gate and 5 year banning orders, passports being handed in when England play and a nice fine. Possibly lose there job... I did find it quite funny that when they got to the Swansea fans, they didn’t have a clue what to do, so threw a few aimless soft punches and ran away - embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Spoons said: You seriously think that if there was no escorts that fans would be better behaved? Yesterday for example? Yes I do. Yesterday's trouble in the ground seemed to be caused by an escort arriving late. Everything was fine before then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swanker Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 I’m sat in the lower Dolman near where all the trouble started. What made me laugh was some fat bloke who looked like he was in his sixties charging down the steps towards the Swansea fans. It’s amazing how people get caught by the excitement of a punch up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 87 Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: Yes I do. Yesterday's trouble in the ground seemed to be caused by an escort arriving late. Everything was fine before then. It delayed the inevitable. Those in that escort were clearly intent on causing trouble, it has been suggested that’s why they were late. My opinion is that if they had been there on time, it probably would have kicked off earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: Yes I do. Yesterday's trouble in the ground seemed to be caused by an escort arriving late. Everything was fine before then. Not sure everything was fine? Probably because there was 150/200 police officers making sure everything was fine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl&Toby Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 15 minutes ago, JulieH said: Hopefully, meeting and reviewing club cctv on Tuesday . Police evidence gatherers footage being downloaded and will review that also But that’s too easy isn’t it. Create or allow a situation to develop that lets these ***** behave as they do, then issue them with banning orders. Christ almighty it sounds so easy even I could do it. Meanwhile those fundamentally responsible for creating or allowing the situation to develop pat themselves heartily on their backs congratulating themselves on a job well done. And you’re right. You didn’t describe it as a success. Because it wasn’t. Mistakes were made that allowed the mindless idiots to take the shine off what was a superb result. But listen. You choose to ignore facts and review cctv and body cam footage. Then identify them and ban them. That’ll do it. Until next time when I fear similar decisions will be made so you can review more cctv and body cam footage.... Stevie Wonder could have seen that releasing both sets of fans at the same time when there had been earlier argy bargy would have only one sorry outcome. Jesus Christ. Is it really that difficult? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarky89 Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 1 hour ago, JulieH said: Unfortunately I am used to it I don’t mind tbh, happy to take questions on anything but ultimately as already been quoted on here the 1% of so called fans seemed intent on serious disorder and sought it all day , either pre and during the match and definitely post match . It’s sad that people I know who were there with children were frightened by the fighting, and subsequent police actions, it is not something that should be acceptable just for supporting your football team. @JulieH - firstly, thank-you for your time you spend answering and responding to queries on here, I think it's a very worthwhile line of communication. Here's my gripe, you yourself have said it's 1% of the match day attendance that is intent on causing trouble. Why then do your colleagues have to treat the other 99% like the same sort of scum? If I started calling people/kids(!) pr1cks and swearing at them, I'd probably be in the back of one of your vans. 1% of football fans were looking for trouble yesterday, yes, and of course they are morons are morons. The % of police officers doing the same was far greater. What measures will be taken to ensure they don't behave the same? No doubt you'll be posting pictures of fans faces in the paper in the next week or two banning from football grounds etc, any chance police officers will get the same treatment? Some really need to be kept away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, BigAlToby&Liam said: But that’s too easy isn’t it. Create or allow a situation to develop that lets these ***** behave as they do, then issue them with banning orders. Christ almighty it sounds so easy even I could do it. Meanwhile those fundamentally responsible for creating or allowing the situation to develop pat themselves heartily on their backs congratulating themselves on a job well done. And you’re right. You didn’t describe it as a success. Because it wasn’t. Mistakes were made that allowed the mindless idiots to take the shine off what was a superb result. But listen. You choose to ignore facts and review cctv and body cam footage. Then identify them and ban them. That’ll do it. Until next time when I fear similar decisions will be made so you can review more cctv and body cam footage.... Stevie Wonder could have seen that releasing both sets of fans at the same time when there had been earlier argy bargy would have only one sorry outcome. Jesus Christ. Is it really that difficult? I don't want to jump to conclusions about blame, but I have to say the bit about releasing fans at the same time beggars belief. I was glad I left early. Was chatting to the chap next to me at 75 mins and said I couldn't remember the last time the police held anyone back at AG. What happened was completely inevitable imo. Driving along Clift House Road I could see it kicking off and wondered if I was a few minutes later my van might have been targeted. Very threatening atmosphere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 12 hours ago, JulieH said: Cctv is excellent and I will be reviewing on Tuesday for exactly these reasons . That'll give you some pause for thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sglosbcfc Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 If you get 100s of fans on both sides intent on trouble you will get trouble. It is nothing to do with ticket allocation (they will travel with out tickets), time of arrival (most of the trouble was post match), letting them out at the end (trouble makers will wait for them) or over zealous policing (unless it is miners strike style brutal policing). On a separate point nobody has mentioned the fighting near St Mary Redcliffe school. I saw Heddlu vans pass me by Asda but when I got to the school there were 30-40 City and Swansea fighting all teenagers with no police to be seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 11 hours ago, poland_exile said: Can't for the life work out how to embed it on this page, but there's a great vid doing the rounds on one of the city pages of a dog handler falling arse over tit over a wall as his beast of doom legs it away to maul another police dog. Reading this thread, the vid appears to sum up the kind of day Avon & Somerset enjoyed Bit of a dog's dinner I'd say. Need to get a better dog-handler. I believe Darrell's looking for a new job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snufflelufagus Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 25 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: I'd love to know who thinks these pre game escorts are a good idea? Especially ones that arrive 20 minutes late winding up the away fans who then goad home fans. Doesnt work with our fans away, see the damage done to the Great Western in 2013 and doesn't work here. As I said on another thread in my experience these very slow escorts are designed to winde you up and ensure you are late for the game. Apparently they left at 1.30. So 2 hours to walk about 1mile or perhaps they went via Avonmouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Snufflelufagus said: As I said on another thread in my experience these very slow escorts are designed to winde you up and ensure you are late for the game. Apparently they left at 1.30. So 2 hours to walk about 1mile or perhaps they went via Avonmouth. Least they made it out alive of Avonmouth!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City fan 1982 Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, Snufflelufagus said: As I said on another thread in my experience these very slow escorts are designed to winde you up and ensure you are late for the game. Apparently they left at 1.30. So 2 hours to walk about 1mile or perhaps they went via Avonmouth. Yep , Birmingham away , we could see the ground , and yet took us the scenic route! A lot of pissed off fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 10 hours ago, KevP said: Thing is SX, you know only too well how the Millwall incident was covered up, @JulieH knows too......there will be a "genuine" reason why bully boy does this.... Yeh. he was bullied at school and had a troubled childhood. Battering people with a truncheon is therapy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 1 hour ago, formerly known as ivan said: With regards to people suggesting the trouble occurred yesterday because of the additional tickets allocation and that this should never have happened... surely if some were intent on causing trouble they would have been at the front of the queue when tickets were released originally? I doubt very much they waited for a further allocation to be made before deciding to come over and start kicking off! It seems quite apparent that the trouble wasn’t anything to do with the additional allocation of tickets! Uhmmmmmmm no Because Swansea like all clubs allocate on priorities So unless the village idiots were season ticket holders / other priority groups they would have struggled to get tickets dependent on the allocation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 1 hour ago, KevP said: Funny boy.....point is that sort of thing causes kick offs...and on this occasion a number of adults were clearly angry with the language. But in answer to your question, no, I've not actually complained. Now shut the F up and let me get on with choosing the hymns for later. After yeaterday's incidents, I suggest "We plough the fields and scatter" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted February 3, 2019 Admin Share Posted February 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Spoons said: There was black netting in both the left and right hand corners....this was ripped up by late arriving Swansea yobs so they could stand there. Are you sure? people were sat in these areas early, I got to my seat about 1450 and the area next to the Dolman was full then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hartcliffe red Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 Its ok swans fans are back home safe and feeling loved again Take a look at @danwilson724's Tweet: https://twitter.com/danwilson724/status/1091854005603655680?s=09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted February 3, 2019 Admin Share Posted February 3, 2019 27 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Uhmmmmmmm no Because Swansea like all clubs allocate on priorities So unless the village idiots were season ticket holders / other priority groups they would have struggled to get tickets dependent on the allocation Swansea have an away season ticket membership Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isawjonshaw Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47073883 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 12 minutes ago, phantom said: Are you sure? people were sat in these areas early, I got to my seat about 1450 and the area next to the Dolman was full then Yes was in seat early from 2.30. Just to clarify I mean netting in Atyeo not lower dolman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Club and Country Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 Where were the 2 pub incidents referenced on Bristol post website? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Old Boy Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 1 hour ago, RedM said: especially for the idiot who goaded the fans when we scored only then to have the goal ruled out. Double idiot that one! He must have run passed the linesman who was holding his flag out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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