BS4 on Tour... Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 27 minutes ago, YorkshireSection said: You really are joking. 1st) Paragraph you say about all the trouble. 2nd) Paragraph you explain that hold backs are a very serious preventive measure and wasnt used becsuse you didnt expect any trouble!!!!!! Did you think everyone was going to have a big hug in the park after the game! There was a clue to there being FURTHER trouble due to the 2 sets of fans clashing on the pitch, or did you miss that!!! Maybe you did, it wouldnt surprise me. I didn’t see ‘2 sets of fans clashing on the pitch’ - I saw a Bristol City fan run along the touchline to throw a few punches...when did both sets of fans get on the pitch? Apologies if I missed it....but surely the players would have been taken off if there was fighting ‘on the pitch’.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl&Toby Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 56 minutes ago, JulieH said: I haven’t called the policing operation a success we have had a number of officers injured, disorder in a park and many genuine fans from both teams subject to seeing grown men fighting violently . In my book that is not a success . hold backs can be requested if there is a risk of disorder occurring , prematch although challenging did not present any disorder between sets of fans. A hold back is a very serious preventative measure and was widely used back then, however is less well used now. It was not a measure that was considered by the safety officer or the policing team at this event. The late arrival of fans were escorted by police , and one of the group who came into the pitch was detained by stewards and handed to police. We expect more arrests. @JulieH ok so out of interest what would you call it? Why wasn’t it considered? If there was a need to escort away fans into the ground and when there was then an incident that resulted in eventual police intervention I’d have thought that holding away fans back after the final whistle would have been the natural and obvious thing to do. Why wasn’t it? And out of interest did you manage to trace the white capped hooligan who threw punches? The one that saw fit to run down the steps of the Dolman and jump over the advertising boards? There’s a Swansea fan’s view of him on Twitter if cctv didn’t catch it. We know body cam footage won’t show it. There wasn’t a police officer in sight. For a game where trouble could so easily have been predicted, and so more effectively policed, managed and possibly prevented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 You won’t like this Julie But you are a full time dedicated football intelligence officer are you not ? Sorry , but today was an embarrassing shambles IMHO I would politely suggest that instead of roaming around this forum from 6 in the morning and sometimes inTO the early hours (Yes), Where you are highly unlikely to glean any or little intelligence on possible looming or organised violence or identify those involved in it (as I’d suggest few if any posters are), that your efforts and time might be more sucessful utilised elsewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greedo Posted February 2, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 4 hours ago, JulieH said: I will review cctv for this Male and contact the original poster privately for any further information. thank you for reporting it a mate attempted to bring this to the attention of stewards and old bill but was ushered away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 The police force were way out of their depth. Embarrassing really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireSection Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: I didn’t see ‘2 sets of fans clashing on the pitch’ - I saw a Bristol City fan run along the touchline to throw a few punches...when did both sets of fans get on the pitch? Apologies if I missed it....but surely the players would have been taken off if there was fighting ‘on the pitch’.... Sorry I should have been clearer, City fans attacking Swansea fans on the side of the pitch AREA. I think you know what I mean More than 1 though for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 1 minute ago, YorkshireSection said: Sorry I should have been clearer, City fans attacking Swansea fans on the side of the pitch AREA. I think you know what I mean More than 1 though for sure. Cheers for the reply YS - as soon as we gave them loads more tickets it was pretty obvious what would happen...naivety all round...including those amongst our fans who were up for selling out our away end.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: You won’t like this Julie But you are a full time dedicated football intelligence officer are you not ? Sorry , but today was an embarrassing shambles IMHO I would politely suggest that instead of roaming around this forum from 6 in the morning and sometimes inTO the early hours (Yes), Where you are highly unlikely to glean any or little intelligence on possible looming or organised violence or identify those involved in it (as I’d suggest few if any posters are), that your efforts and time might be more sucessful utilised elsewhere Champ comments Bob but a club official so more into stats than prevention.Julie is a gas legend ask her about southampton. They knew exactly what would happen today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireSection Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 6 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: You won’t like this Julie But you are a full time dedicated football intelligence officer are you not ? Sorry , but today was an embarrassing shambles IMHO I would politely suggest that instead of roaming around this forum from 6 in the morning and sometimes inTO the early hours (Yes), Where you are highly unlikely to glean any or little intelligence on possible looming or organised violence or identify those involved in it (as I’d suggest few if any posters are), that your efforts and time might be more sucessful utilised elsewhere Very well put. If I was that incompetent at my job I'd resign. Sacked in the morning she's getting sacked in the morning...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 Some of these posts are a bit embarrassing. My general view of the police is not particularly positive, but I'm glad they normally use a little more 'intelligence' and evidence before drawing conclusions and spouting them in public or pinning blame on named individuals, than those on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 So good job done using very intelligent intelligence ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weepywall Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 22 minutes ago, JulieH said: I have been policing football matches for 20 yrs and the one thing I regularly get spoken to by fans is to treat every game not based on historical evidence but what is being presented for that match. swansea drank in the city centre in the same way city drank in Swansea city centre, I have been present at numerous away games where city fans are able to drink freely in city centres and vice versa . In fact prior to bubble matches v Cardiff city were able to drink in city centre pubs then ! There was no disorder in the city centre I can assure you that the last thing I need is another enquiry like this where we need to spend more police hours investigating serious disorder , and then on conviction applying for a banning order. I would much rather the game passed without any incident , but it hasn’t and therefore that is what we shall do. We have had 4 police officers injured today and 1 police dog , and the offenders for that and serious disorder offences should be brought to trial . Hi Julie H, sorry to hear officers and dog were injured, that shouldn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Club and Country Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 Your answer to letting fans out at the same time is hilarious serious preventative measure??? well that measure would have more then likely prevented serious disorder odd that eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreedyHarry Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 25 minutes ago, JulieH said: I have been policing football matches for 20 yrs and the one thing I regularly get spoken to by fans is to treat every game not based on historical evidence but what is being presented for that match. swansea drank in the city centre in the same way city drank in Swansea city centre, I have been present at numerous away games where city fans are able to drink freely in city centres and vice versa . In fact prior to bubble matches v Cardiff city were able to drink in city centre pubs then ! There was no disorder in the city centre I can assure you that the last thing I need is another enquiry like this where we need to spend more police hours investigating serious disorder , and then on conviction applying for a banning order. I would much rather the game passed without any incident , but it hasn’t and therefore that is what we shall do. We have had 4 police officers injured today and 1 police dog , and the offenders for that and serious disorder offences should be brought to trial . Hi, @JulieH could you confirm that the police dog is ok please, and also whether it's injuries were caused by another dog, or a human please? I'm sure the vast majority on here would be disgusted if the dog was hurt by a human. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 The simple fact is is that 2500 Swansea fans will provide far less trouble than 3600 Swansea fans, the decision by the football club/ police to give them an extra 1100 tickets was naive beyond belief Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, Club and Country said: Your answer to letting fans out at the same time is hilarious serious preventative measure??? well that measure would have more then likely prevented serious disorder odd that eh? You would almost think they want something to happen wouldn't you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DolmanDave Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 I witnessed those around me quite alarmed at what was going on around them. I saw kids in tears. Grown adults with looks of fear and people moving seats and even sections to get away from it all. And that was just seeing the inflatable sheep being manhandled by 3,500 men.. On a serious note... Four officers injured. A police dog injured and upset fans who only wanted to watch a game of football but weren't allowed to as they had bodies over them trying to get to the Swansea fans. I'm in noway blaming our fans for what happend. As mentioned the stewarding and policing today was near to non exsistant at the start with several people around me also mentioning the lack of 'security'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, harrys said: The simple fact is is that 2500 Swansea fans will provide far less trouble than 3600 Swansea fans, the decision by the football club/ police to give them an extra 1100 tickets was naive beyond belief But Julie said this was a decision based on consultation between professionals. #safeinmybed# Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 32 minutes ago, JulieH said: I have been policing football matches for 20 yrs and the one thing I regularly get spoken to by fans is to treat every game not based on historical evidence but what is being presented for that match. swansea drank in the city centre in the same way city drank in Swansea city centre, I have been present at numerous away games where city fans are able to drink freely in city centres and vice versa . In fact prior to bubble matches v Cardiff city were able to drink in city centre pubs then ! There was no disorder in the city centre I can assure you that the last thing I need is another enquiry like this where we need to spend more police hours investigating serious disorder , and then on conviction applying for a banning order. I would much rather the game passed without any incident , but it hasn’t and therefore that is what we shall do. We have had 4 police officers injured today and 1 police dog , and the offenders for that and serious disorder offences should be brought to trial . 9 Video evidence suggests one Police dog attacked another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 1 minute ago, RedLionLad said: Video evidence suggests one Police dog attacked another. Surely not. Light a candle for brave fido mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, Loon plage said: Surely not. Light a candle for brave fido mind. Fido's motto is 'Make Love, Not War'....apparently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl&Toby Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, harrys said: The simple fact is is that 2500 Swansea fans will provide far less trouble than 3600 Swansea fans, the decision by the football club/ police to give them an extra 1100 tickets was naive beyond belief Never mind naive. I’d say it’s absolutely ******* ridiculous...... And you have to ask why. Who wanted more tickets to be issued? BCFC? More money for the coffers.... And if the SAG and or police were involved in that then why not ensure that all those fans were able to be in the ground before kickoff? The main trouble in the ground seemed to start only when the late entrants came in. And is it really possible for all of them to get in, seemingly like a wave, through the turnstiles? Last time I remember fans entering a ground en masse like that was when some idiot opened a gate. If you want to increase the number of tickets by almost 50% then for ***** sake you need to make sure those increased numbers can be managed. And today they weren’t. But then what should we really expect of an organisation that has a failed master baker at the top of its tree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreedyHarry Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 Any insinuation that the dog was hurt by a football fan needs to quashed. Video evidence suggests the dog was hurt by another dog. Just need confirmation from @JulieH to put this to bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 5 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Well done the Club giving those chav munters the whole away end Got away with it today..... made the win sweeter though , did they actually make any noise ? And they had the cheek to chant is this a library? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevP Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 8 minutes ago, RedLionLad said: Video evidence suggests one Police dog attacked another. ...Can't use it unless an "official complaint" is made though....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddoh Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 39 minutes ago, JulieH said: I have been policing football matches for 20 yrs and the one thing I regularly get spoken to by fans is to treat every game not based on historical evidence but what is being presented for that match. swansea drank in the city centre in the same way city drank in Swansea city centre, I have been present at numerous away games where city fans are able to drink freely in city centres and vice versa . In fact prior to bubble matches v Cardiff city were able to drink in city centre pubs then ! There was no disorder in the city centre I can assure you that the last thing I need is another enquiry like this where we need to spend more police hours investigating serious disorder , and then on conviction applying for a banning order. I would much rather the game passed without any incident , but it hasn’t and therefore that is what we shall do. We have had 4 police officers injured today and 1 police dog , and the offenders for that and serious disorder offences should be brought to trial . I don't like to dob but try Darryl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireSection Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 14 minutes ago, GreedyHarry said: Hi, @JulieH could you confirm that the police dog is ok please, and also whether it's injuries were caused by another dog, or a human please? I'm sure the vast majority on here would be disgusted if the dog was hurt by a human. Theres a video of a Muppet in a uniform falling over a wall and dropping the dogs lead on the floor, said dog then attacks other dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 I've a question- guess Julie can answer this too, maybe it's already been answered I don't know. Why were police filming the top of the Dolman- from the bottom of the stand of course, but I did notice a police camera pointed up there- or in that general direction anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddoh Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, pillred said: And they had the cheek to chant is this a library? they took the knights and were impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, YorkshireSection said: Theres a video of a Muppet in a uniform falling over a wall and dropping the dogs lead on the floor, said dog then attacks other dog. Surely not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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