Admin phantom Posted February 3, 2019 Admin Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 35 minutes ago, redsquirrel said: I think it has been mentioned already but just suppose their allocation had been reduced,where would the rest of those fans have been? a fair few could have obtained tickets in the home ends. seems logical to me to get as many of them as possible in one place? At home? When did any supporters ever travel to a ground where they knew they couldn't get in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, phantom said: At home? When did any supporters ever travel to a ground where they knew they couldn't get in Nailed If we’d given them 1500 tickets The Police wouldn’t have had 3600 to deal with The segregation would have been a simple matter For all those blaming football.......you bring 3600 Welsh into the centre of Bristol for a few beers and any other event and there’s going to be sparks somewhere......let alone football Its reality whether people like it or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 10 minutes ago, phantom said: At home? When did any supporters ever travel to a ground where they knew they couldn't get in I don't know if they have form for this, but I did have a look at the Swansea forum in January and saw something about ticketless fans when they played at Reading on New Years Day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamski Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Nailed If we’d given them 1500 tickets The Police wouldn’t have had 3600 to deal with The segregation would have been a simple matter For all those blaming football.......you bring 3600 Welsh into the centre of Bristol for a few beers and any other event and there’s going to be sparks somewhere......let alone football Its reality whether people like it or not Policing and stewarding may well have been reduced - pro-rata.....have question your assumption that it's a welsh in Bristol issue! Netting Atyeo - Landsdown corner was removed by stewards in an attempt to entice the Swansea late arrives away from the steps and disabled section that they had chosen to occupy, they chose not to, but seemed to have located they post half time, so they all got a good view of our goal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 31 minutes ago, phantom said: At home? When did any supporters ever travel to a ground where they knew they couldn't get in What about the Mem? Oh no, that's a ground I didn't want to get in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 45 minutes ago, weepywall said: But can't the police over rule that decision though ? You would think so . Playing pass the buck!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 Why is it I can leave a football match without having the urge to kick 10 levels of shit out of an opposition fan. At the end of the day it is down to neanderthal pillocks who want to do this and our over stretched police force have to try and deal with it. Blame the idiot fans and not the club or the police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, BigTone said: Why is it I can leave a football match without having the urge to kick 10 levels of shit out of an opposition fan. At the end of the day it is down to neanderthal pillocks who want to do this and our over stretched police force have to try and deal with it. Blame the idiot fans and not the club or the police. And invoice them for it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said: And invoice them for it too. Oh Ok, what address do I send it to ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, BigTone said: Why is it I can leave a football match without having the urge to kick 10 levels of shit out of an opposition fan. At the end of the day it is down to neanderthal pillocks who want to do this and our over stretched police force have to try and deal with it. Blame the idiot fans and not the club or the police. Nor do I but that's not the point really. Trouble from Swansea fans on their nearest away trip was always utterly predictable, let alone the high likelihood of City fans responding. Given that the police should have vetoed the club's ridiculous decision to increase an already large away allocation. Ooh, this game spells likely trouble, so we'll give Swansea even more tickets that we don't need to? Makes sense that. There should have been an obvious presence between the Atyeo and the Dolman throughout. No excuses here, 3 or 4 of the numerous riot police would have sufficed. They also should have kept Swansea's fans behind for a while after the match when there had already been problems before the game and during it. No brainer. 3 sensible measures that would have decreased the chances of trouble hugely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 If the game isn't a bubble there was always going to be trouble somewhere with people looking for it from the outset. With all that went on inside the ground, letting the Swansea fans out at the same time what exactly were the Police expecting? Stevie Wonder would have seen there was going to be trouble outside at the end unless they were kept behind - and I expect some poor sod who wanted nothing to with it got a punch/slap. Police have to take a fair chunk of responsibility for what went on after imo, as the majority of it would never have happened if the Swansea fans were kept behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said: Trouble from Swansea fans on their nearest away trip was always utterly predictable, let alone the high likelihood of City fans responding. For the idiot minority maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 1 minute ago, BigTone said: For the idiot minority maybe Don't be so naive Tone, you know very well innocents can get caught up in it, and it's for the police to minimise this possibilty imo., by taking simple and sensible precautions and decisions as outlined above. That 'idiot minority' you speak of is very likely to be increased through giving an extra allocation over and above the usual maximum, and thus the chances of disorder are similarly increased. As it turned out. Yesterday's events were all so predictable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 34 minutes ago, BigTone said: For the idiot minority maybe But that exists everywhere Tone atvandvaway from Football always has done , always will at Mansfield , Bury , Burnley Bristol , Swansea Or Millwall its a reality ........you simply have to factor in We have Leeds and Wolves coming , let’s hope the plans are better as I can foresee problems at both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 27 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said: Nor do I but that's not the point really. Trouble from Swansea fans on their nearest away trip was always utterly predictable, let alone the high likelihood of City fans responding. Given that the police should have vetoed the club's ridiculous decision to increase an already large away allocation. Ooh, this game spells likely trouble, so we'll give Swansea even more tickets that we don't need to? Makes sense that. There should have been an obvious presence between the Atyeo and the Dolman throughout. No excuses here, 3 or 4 of the numerous riot police would have sufficed. They also should have kept Swansea's fans behind for a while after the match when there had already been problems before the game and during it. No brainer. 3 sensible measures that would have decreased the chances of trouble hugely. My first post on this matter. From my view in the upper Lansdown (near to the police control post?) it was obvious that the people who had been escorted to the ground were intent on misbehaving, it reminded me a lot of the time Millwall made a late grand entrance years ago only to find themselves already a goal down, there was a lack of police presence in the ground at that time to calm things down, and I think it was marginal that a full scale on pitch battle didn’t take place, the lack of police is clearly an operational matter and you would hope they would genuinely look at themselves and learn lessons. I don’t agree with limiting the ticket allocation, that should not be neccessary, what should be addressed is the failure of the token segregation netting, this needs to be addressed and perhaps the whole of that block in the Atyeo needs to be fenced off permanently (the Rugby are rarely going to need the full capacity). Thought should also be given to erecting a semi permanent solid barrier in that corner between the Atyeo and Dolman. I don’t know how many ST holders sit in the lower A block Dolman, there were clearly many more ‘fans’ in that area than usual, so perhaps the club might consider moving those ST holders and putting netting over that lower block. I would also hold back the away fans until the home fans had left, this would give the Police time to move on any would be home fans looking for trouble, and organise an escort to the station for those away fans who were on the train. As many as possible away coaches should be parked behind the Atyeo for those fans who have travelled on them. Holding the away fans should be brought to their notice, by printing it on the tickets, putting signs up at the ground and using social media, it should not come as a surprise to them that they are being held back. None of these measures should be needed, however the reality is something must be done to prevent similar scenes occurring again, we will never eradicate the hooligans, that is a fact, the club and the police have a duty to protect the innocent fans on both sides from having to witness it or worse be a victim of it. I have some sympathy for the police as Ashton Gate is such a long way from the railway station, and the park is an inviting open space, but it’s for children to play in, not for hooligans to rampage through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 48 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: But that exists everywhere Tone atvandvaway from Football always has done , always will at Mansfield , Bury , Burnley Bristol , Swansea Or Millwall its a reality ........you simply have to factor in We have Leeds and Wolves coming , let’s hope the plans are better as I can foresee problems at both Hopefully the braindead fans causing trouble will be banned by then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 57 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: We have Leeds and Wolves coming When is the Wolves game............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said: When is the Wolves game............. Fair point apologies Shrews and here’s hoping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie andrews Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said: When is the Wolves game............. 30th feb rog...…….. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, archie andrews said: 30th feb rog...…….. I cant find the tickets online anywhere. Bl00dy crap Bristol Sport website.................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulcityfan Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Nogbad the Bad said: Nor do I but that's not the point really. Trouble from Swansea fans on their nearest away trip was always utterly predictable, let alone the high likelihood of City fans responding. Given that the police should have vetoed the club's ridiculous decision to increase an already large away allocation. Ooh, this game spells likely trouble, so we'll give Swansea even more tickets that we don't need to? Makes sense that. There should have been an obvious presence between the Atyeo and the Dolman throughout. No excuses here, 3 or 4 of the numerous riot police would have sufficed. They also should have kept Swansea's fans behind for a while after the match when there had already been problems before the game and during it. No brainer. 3 sensible measures that would have decreased the chances of trouble hugely. I think it is a crazy point of view to say that 2500 will be better behaved than han 3500. If the goal of the club is to progress and stablise in the top flight the demand for tickets from away clubs will regularly be at the higher level, and rightly so. The problem as you rightly said is that there should have been a period of time when the away fans were kept in to allow the home fans to disperse away. End of problem really. The argy inside the ground was another and quite separate matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl&Toby Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 10 hours ago, JulieH said: The dog received crush injuries during the escort , in the same incident 2 other officers were injured including a mounted officer . @JulieH never mind the bloody dog. I’m still waiting to know why Swansea fans weren’t held back after the game....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 3 hours ago, shelts said: I was told by a policeman yesterday it was the clubs decision to let both sets of supporters out together Why should the club be concerned about when the away fans are let out? And surely the police should have the ultimate say-so in this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 The police are paid a lot of money by football clubs to prevent trouble. Yesterday the police didn’t have a clue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 38 minutes ago, BigAlToby&Liam said: @JulieH never mind the bloody dog. I’m still waiting to know why Swansea fans weren’t held back after the game....... Knowing your interest in dog welfare A, forgot to mention .... Joe Bryan’s dog sports a Harrods bodywarmer these days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 39 minutes ago, BigAlToby&Liam said: @JulieH never mind the bloody dog. I’m still waiting to know why Swansea fans weren’t held back after the game....... I agree with their decision why should law abiding people be held back against their will because of a few idiots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 30 minutes ago, harrys said: Why should the club be concerned about when the away fans are let out? And surely the police should have the ultimate say-so in this Because the club have a duty of care to supporters to get out of the ground safely. This was made harder when you let out 800 plus yobs out with city fans also keen on a fight in the park. Completely avoidable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, Big C said: I agree with their decision why should law abiding people be held back against their will because of a few idiots Because its a proven tactic to avoid trouble, which, in yesterdays case, was nailed on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said: Because its a proven tactic to avoid trouble, which, in yesterdays case, was nailed on. Buts it’s false imprisonment. It used to annoy the hell out of me when it happened to us. Held behind when we had done nothing wrong in the cold and wet and usually after a defeat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isawjonshaw Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 12 minutes ago, Big C said: I agree with their decision why should law abiding people be held back against their will because of a few idiots If we ever got to Europe (IF), we'd be held un away grounds for hours, to avoid trouble! I was stunned we all left together! The antics in the park took me back many moons!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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