italian dave Posted February 12, 2019 Report Share Posted February 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Evocare said: Hope to see him start in the FA Cup, get some confidence back Mmmm, if he starts it will make or break his season I think. I'm a massive LK fan, but if he dithers like he did tonight against Wolves he'll get slaughtered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allwaysred Posted February 12, 2019 Report Share Posted February 12, 2019 20 minutes ago, Hocca said: He shouldn’t start again this season. He’s become a liability and it’s stupid to leave a quality left back in Dasilva on the bench Agreed especially if we want to stay in the top 6..... JD is absolutely class. I'd have LK back in there Sunday tho and rest JD for Norwich or bring him on if needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted February 12, 2019 Report Share Posted February 12, 2019 Performance aside have to say I didn't think Lloyd's attitude came across well this evening either, lots of pointing and gesturing when things weren't going right, thought his recovery on their attacks was very poor as well. A lot of what people accused Joe Bryan of not appearing to sprint back and just jogged despite them being on the attack. Hopefully he shrugs it off and next time we see him he's back to his best, perhaps giving him a game against Wolves could be good against him as LJ has said its a bit of a freebie and we'll be able to go out and attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonM88 Posted February 12, 2019 Report Share Posted February 12, 2019 He’s a young player, feel like that should be enough said but people seem incapable of understanding that young players simply can’t produce all the time. Big talent who will only get better. Should learn from tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oops Posted February 12, 2019 Report Share Posted February 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, JasonM88 said: He’s a young player, feel like that should be enough said but people seem incapable of understanding that young players simply can’t produce all the time. Big talent who will only get better. Should learn from tonight. Yeah agreed, but he was borderline disinterested tonight. No excuse for that I’m afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted February 12, 2019 Report Share Posted February 12, 2019 We need to give the kid a break. He is still young and clearly still has mistakes in him. I also very much doubt he will end up as a LB when he matures. JDS is clearly first choice LB now. I am fairly low down in the Dolman and you can see his positional play is so much better and has excellent control of the ball. Also on a better wavelength with COD than Lloyd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonM88 Posted February 12, 2019 Report Share Posted February 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Oops said: Yeah agreed, but he was borderline disinterested tonight. No excuse for that I’m afraid. No, confidence is just shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oops Posted February 12, 2019 Report Share Posted February 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, JasonM88 said: No, confidence is just shot. Yeah looks like it. But when 10 out of 11 are busting a gut it tends to stand out. Lloyd did not make 1 sprint, either going forward or in defence, in the entire first half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
054123 Posted February 12, 2019 Report Share Posted February 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Alex_BCFC said: Yeh no need to be too harsh on him. He started off poor and never recovered but he will be a class act for City. Exactly right, a boy still learning his but anyone with an ounce of footballing ability can see his potential. Im not being patronising but in some respects it’s like bringing up your kids, he’s at the age where of course he’s self sufficient but there’s going to bumps along the way. If you believe in him though, ten you just got to keep supporting him and he’ll make you proud in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyb Posted February 12, 2019 Report Share Posted February 12, 2019 I don't understand the reasoning for starting Kelly tonight as with Da Silva in such good form, there was no need to drop him (especially at home) and the Wolves game would have been the best game to start Kelly. He's a CB playing LB, we need to be patient. He needs to watch and learn from these matches and top class CB's like Kalas and Webster. It's difficult to be negative right now but should the worst happen and we don't get promotion (maybe even if we do) then I can actually see him being Webster's CB partner next season, not that that is necessarily a negative... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1t_ref_again Posted February 13, 2019 Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 Highly rate Kelly, but tonight he just seemed frightened to make a mistake so looked slow and ponderous when looking for the forward pass or just wanted to knock it backwards and let someone else take responsibility. I understand he will make mistakes and not ever game is going to be good, but what I cannot not accept from a defender is a half hearted jog back when your teammates are defending, he should be busting a gut to get back in position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Brady Posted February 13, 2019 Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 Nonchalant bordering on cocky. I get the impression that Kelly thinks he is better than many of his team mates. Tonight Patto, COD, Brownhill and Pack were shouting at him to quicken the tempo. He seemed to be arguing with all of them, yet he was getting robbed of possession time after time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted February 13, 2019 Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 He will recover his temporary loss of form. Class is permanent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted February 13, 2019 Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 We musn’t forget that for some. Bizarre reason Johnson picked him ahead of de Silva despite his mom performance at Blackburn, fair play to LJ for getting his substitutions right tonight, taking the pedestrian Pack off and putting Brownhill in his position was a master stroke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted February 13, 2019 Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Redsi2 said: I would imagine his confidence is shot. Top marks to LJ for being ruthless and putting the team first, but being subbed at half time must be tough for the lad and to see his replacement have a storming second half. Does he need a behind doors friendly perhaps. Bit over the top to say that imo. He’s just had a poor half of football, it happens. I’d be very confident in him were he to start the next game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted February 13, 2019 Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 hour ago, joeyb said: I don't understand the reasoning for starting Kelly tonight as with Da Silva in such good form, there was no need to drop him (especially at home) and the Wolves game would have been the best game to start Kelly. He's a CB playing LB, we need to be patient. He needs to watch and learn from these matches and top class CB's like Kalas and Webster. It's difficult to be negative right now but should the worst happen and we don't get promotion (maybe even if we do) then I can actually see him being Webster's CB partner next season, not that that is necessarily a negative... I think it was simply because of the suspected aerial threat of QPR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted February 13, 2019 Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, harrys said: We musn’t forget that for some. Bizarre reason Johnson picked him ahead of de Silva despite his mom performance at Blackburn, fair play to LJ for getting his substitutions right tonight, taking the pedestrian Pack off and putting Brownhill in his position was a master stroke Understandable when you actually listen to the reason he gave for Kelly starting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted February 13, 2019 Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Evocare said: Hope to see him start in the FA Cup, get some confidence back Yep, me too, I reckon a run out in the Wembley cup final will do him the World of good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted February 13, 2019 Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Red Army 75 said: Spot on . A game like he had tonight will make him stronger. Learn from your mistakes well sorry to say but tonight he must have learned a lot, we improved immensely after he went off. he takes being casual to a whole new level and I hope for his sake it's something he can eradicate from his game, he thinks he is a lot better than he actually is at this moment in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC RISK77 Posted February 13, 2019 Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 Confidence is shot by the looks of it and I feel uncomfortable watching him play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted February 13, 2019 Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 Just looked like someone who hasnt played for a long time. I wouldnt worry about him too much give him another chance on sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Numero Uno Posted February 13, 2019 Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 5 hours ago, Super said: Just looked like someone who hasnt played for a long time. I wouldnt worry about him too much give him another chance on sunday. Agreed, I would play Kelly on Sunday to get last night out of his system. Da Silva will start the next league game anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chloe1992 Posted February 13, 2019 Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 Confidence definitely shot, which is a shame since he looked so good at the beginning of the season. Da Silva looks in a different league at the moment, but whilst he is the clearly the better option for now we must find a way to keep developing Kelly. We must not forget that Da Silva is not actually our player, and if he does eventually leave (which is looking more likely with his form improving), we will be left with a neglected academy product with all that potential shot by a lack of confidence. With the right starts in the right games, hopefully we can continue to develop Lloyd. I've got no doubt he'll be worth it in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted February 13, 2019 Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 I believe he was rusty having been benched for recent matches. It also highlighted for me the fact that he is a centre half first and foremost. The lad has been absolutely amazing this season so deserves the support he gets . The comparisons to Dasilva are not helpful as they are completely different types of player . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted February 13, 2019 Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 14 hours ago, BRISTOL86 said: This. A key part of improving as a player is learning from your mistakes which he just doesn’t seem to. Bags of potential but frustrating to keep seeing him make the same mistakes repeatedly, especially when they’re so basic. It's his first season playing regular professional football. Way, way, way too early to castigate him for not learning from his mistakes. It must have been a headfucker of a season for him - suddenly becoming first choice, then being linked with multi-million pound moves to Liverpool or Man Utd after half a season. It would affect a lot of young players I reckon. At the moment, we are in the hunt for promotion and an FA cup quarter final with the potential for a favourable draw if we get through so we cannot afford the luxury of picking out-of-form players and hoping they improve. It is is Da Silva's shirt at the moment and should stay that way for now. But let's not write Kelly off. He is a superb talent who needs a bit of space to learn. With guidance and support, he can be back and stronger than ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8 men had a dream Posted February 13, 2019 Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 hour ago, MT1970 said: This... I think Tinnion has hit the nail on the head. A subtle way of reminding our "supporters" not to boo and jeer a 20 year old City player whose just starting out. It was a shame that a vocal minority were berating him for his mistakes - couple in my row just couldn't stop. And then cheered the substitution. Quite a lot of anger directed at him. It's easy to support when you've come back from a goal down to win 2-1. Give the lad a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted February 13, 2019 Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 13 hours ago, joeyb said: I don't understand the reasoning for starting Kelly tonight as with Da Silva in such good form, there was no need to drop him (especially at home) and the Wolves game would have been the best game to start Kelly. He's a CB playing LB, we need to be patient. He needs to watch and learn from these matches and top class CB's like Kalas and Webster. It's difficult to be negative right now but should the worst happen and we don't get promotion (maybe even if we do) then I can actually see him being Webster's CB partner next season, not that that is necessarily a negative... Johnson wanted a taller back line to deal with Matt Smith, as simple as. Luckily in the second half Smiffy had shot his bolt and could hardly canter at a slow trot. We know Lloyd's got talent and we know he's lacking confidence. But I disagree with those who say "play him against Wolves". Right now, Premier League players would have him on toast - and imagine the impact of a third half-time substitution. No, Plenty of work with the coaches. some reserves action and the odd appearance off the bench until he feels his way back to form. The Liam Fontaine situation should remind us that you can't just force confidence back into a player by constantly playing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cov 77 Posted February 13, 2019 Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, 8 men had a dream said: I think Tinnion has hit the nail on the head. A subtle way of reminding our "supporters" not to boo and jeer a 20 year old City player whose just starting out. It was a shame that a vocal minority were berating him for his mistakes - couple in my row just couldn't stop. And then cheered the substitution. Quite a lot of anger directed at him. It's easy to support when you've come back from a goal down to win 2-1. Give the lad a break. Do me a favour , people always make out lots of people give various players stick , there were groans at time when bad passes were played by him but not booing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted February 13, 2019 Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 Massive fan of Lloyd and felt for him last night. Out of sorts and low on confidence. Fair play to the boss hooking him at half time . Myself like everyone in the ground got very nervy when he got on the ball . Making lots of mistakes and having too many touches . He will learn and become a better player . In the upper Sir Steve stand I heard a couple of guys boo the lad , piss poor that . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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