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Now this is likely a terrible suggestion, but having watched Fam struggle upfront for the last couple of games now being continuously bullied by the oppositions defence, could Marley Watkins be trialled in that role?

He has experience playing up front, is quite a physical player and his touch cannot be any worse than Diedhou's. If not then I'd at least like to see him on the bench to add a physical option when we are next losing a game and resort to just hitting mindless balls into the box.

I also think Diedhou's continuous offsides last night (3 early on) was a large contributing factor into the frustration and later hostile atmosphere at parts yesterday and the guy could do with a rest from the team. Would we have faired better against them last night if we had played with Taylor and Weimann as a front two like we did at the start of the season? I think we would certainly have caused them more problems.

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6 minutes ago, City18 said:

That would be an ideal situation, but I don't think he plays particularly well alongside Weimann or Taylor so maybe the sum of the team without him might be better than having him in the team

In what formation- do we decide to sacrifice possession and go for a more counter attacking 4-4-2?

How do our tactics and shape change to necessitate this- does it sacrifice defensive or midfield security and control- though there was little of this last night!

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I would like to see us go back to basics - play a 4-4-2 with Taylor and Semenyo up front just for one half and if not working revert to whatever LJ thinks. Just try something different. It seems when the going gets tough he only trusts the same few faces and they are the ones who look dead on their feet and struggling.

I can’t work out if it’s honourable or stupidity but I know a fair few of our squad surely hand on heart do not see a future here !?!

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21 minutes ago, City18 said:

That would be an ideal situation, but I don't think he plays particularly well alongside Weimann or Taylor so maybe the sum of the team without him might be better than having him in the team

Hang on a minute, are you suggesting playing Taylor over Fammy? 

Taylor’s scoring record is not much better than Franky Fieldings!

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I suggested playing Watkins up front earlier in the season for the same reason, strength, good in the air and touch can't be worse. Pace wise i haven't seen but again can't be any slower. Can imagine he's quite intelligent and will make decent runs. 

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3 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

In what formation- do we decide to sacrifice possession and go for a more counter attacking 4-4-2?

How do our tactics and shape change to necessitate this- does it sacrifice defensive or midfield security and control- though there was little of this last night!

We just don't seem to be making anything of our possession any more. We used to play fast flowing football, switching the ball quickly and hammering their wings and the midfield was picking out killer passes. We are now lethargically passing the ball around the back before lumping the ball at Diedhou. We are being tightly marked up top, not doing enough creative movement and the killer passes are no longer their. We still seem to pump mindless crosses into the box as our main form of attack, yet how many are Diedhou winning? Paterson is currently our main support to Diedhou but he doesn't ever win a header. On a number of occasions when diedhou missed the ball it ends up going over Eliassons head. We need more physical presence in the box.

If we are not making all this possession work for us anymore than yeah maybe we sacrifice the possession and go more direct. Currently, oppositions are putting both centre backs to bully diedhou and then the full backs can push further forward and limit us for space.  

5 minutes ago, cidered abroad said:

Is Watkins fit to play?

Probably not. He's been a sick note all season.

He played and scored for the reserves against forest a week or so ago I believe

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8 minutes ago, City18 said:

We just don't seem to be making anything of our possession any more. We used to play fast flowing football, switching the ball quickly and hammering their wings and the midfield was picking out killer passes. We are now lethargically passing the ball around the back before lumping the ball at Diedhou. We are being tightly marked up top, not doing enough creative movement and the killer passes are no longer their. We still seem to pump mindless crosses into the box as our main form of attack, yet how many are Diedhou winning? Paterson is currently our main support to Diedhou but he doesn't ever win a header. On a number of occasions when diedhou missed the ball it ends up going over Eliassons head. We need more physical presence in the box.

If we are not making all this possession work for us anymore than yeah maybe we sacrifice the possession and go more direct. Currently, oppositions are putting both centre backs to bully diedhou and then the full backs can push further forward and limit us for space.  

He played and scored for the reserves against forest a week or so ago I believe

What possession? Certainly no dominance of it since Birmingham at home or Wolves 2nd half. Vs Leeds 46%, vs Ipswich at home 50% or thereabouts, Norwich away it was 41% and at Preston it was a little above 50%. Agree though we definitely seem to be doing less with the ball, but maybe more direct- but I dunno about direct but counterattacking definitely would be something I'd consider as a necessary tradeoff for playing a legitimate 4-4-2. 4-4-2, intense pressing in certain zones and fast turnovers maybe...in any case the balance feels wrong to me.

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10 minutes ago, swanker said:

Hang on a minute, are you suggesting playing Taylor over Fammy? 

Taylor’s scoring record is not much better than Franky Fieldings!

Purely off stats this season,

Fammy 2489 minutes played - 11 Goals - 3 Assists (226 mins per goal) (830 mins per assist) (178 mins per goal/assist)

Taylor 1101 minutes played - 3 Goals - 5 Assists (367 mins per goal) (220 mins per assist) (137 mins per goal/assist)

 

While he may get fewer goals, he contributes considerably more to the team

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15 minutes ago, paul_fox said:

I suggested playing Watkins up front earlier in the season for the same reason, strength, good in the air and touch can't be worse. Pace wise i haven't seen but again can't be any slower. Can imagine he's quite intelligent and will make decent runs. 

I just find Diedhou so frustrating to watch. Touch is atrocious, very selfish player and forever offside. Also for a player in the team playing a target man role, he very rarely wins a header or if he does it doesn't go to a team mate

Got to be worth a try

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Fam isn't the issue to me. Our main issue is that Pack and Brownhill are running on empty having played the vast majority of games. Morell / Walsh (injuries aside) could cover but they are just that at the moment - cover, in that P + B are a cut above when on form. 

As I've said elsewhere the extended break will benefit them more than anybody else. I can only imagine how our season would have gone had we had Smith to rotate with them all season...not withstanding we are still doing v well anyway.

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3 minutes ago, steveybadger said:

Fam isn't the issue to me. Our main issue is that Pack and Brownhill are running on empty having played the vast majority of games. Morell / Walsh (injuries aside) could cover but they are just that at the moment - cover, in that P + B are a cut above when on form. 

As I've said elsewhere the extended break will benefit them more than anybody else. I can only imagine how our season would have gone had we had Smith to rotate with them all season...not withstanding we are still doing v well anyway.

Smith I believe played a full 90 for the reserves the other day, unless this is a youth with surname Smith?

Will be great to get him back in, a genuine first team challenger

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12 minutes ago, City18 said:

I just find Diedhou so frustrating to watch. Touch is atrocious, very selfish player and forever offside. Also for a player in the team playing a target man role, he very rarely wins a header or if he does it doesn't go to a team mate

Got to be worth a try

He's had far more poor games then good ones. He can't seem to stay on his feet when he's got the ball or it just bounces off him. Not much movement either. From that YouTube video Watkins doesn't look bad and has a bit of pace. A few of those goals he scored Famara would've lost control of the ball before getting into the box!

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1 hour ago, City18 said:

 also think Diedhou's continuous offsides last night (3 early on) 

In fairness - 1 the replay showed he was onside. 1 was touch and go and the other we didn’t get a replay of... so he could have possibly been onside in all 3!

 

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11 minutes ago, City18 said:

Smith I believe played a full 90 for the reserves the other day, unless this is a youth with surname Smith?

Will be great to get him back in, a genuine first team challenger

Harvey Smith? CB recalled from his loan at Hereford on 1st March perhaps?

https://www.herefordfc.co.uk/news-harvey-smith-returns-to-bristol-city/

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5 minutes ago, cider-manc said:

In fairness - 1 the replay showed he was onside. 1 was touch and go and the other we didn’t get a replay of... so he could have possibly been onside in all 3!

 

Ah sadly didn't get the joys of the replay at the game - just trusted the lines man. Just didn't seem to be in particularly promising or attacking positions so no need to be pressing the line this tightly

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We seriously lack any strike force. Think our season and hope of making the top 6 is buggered because of it.

Again last night Famara was awful.

Nearly everything breaks down when the ball goes to him.

Even if he wins the ball in his 50/50 battle with his opponent, the ball the majority of the time is lost in the next transition.

He simply doesn't suit our system of play imo.

He's not good with ball to feet, and not the best at winning crosses.

So LJ could play through the lines or from out wide with crosses...the result will still be the same...average to poor for the standard we are looking for which is top 6.

He's good at defending set pieces and unsettling defenders during our set pieces...but that's pretty much it imo.

Everyone loves a trier...but he isn't what we need for a Promotion push.

Please prove me wrong Famara.

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2 hours ago, City18 said:

Now this is likely a terrible suggestion, but having watched Fam struggle upfront for the last couple of games now being continuously bullied by the oppositions defence, could Marley Watkins be trialled in that role?

He has experience playing up front, is quite a physical player and his touch cannot be any worse than Diedhou's. If not then I'd at least like to see him on the bench to add a physical option when we are next losing a game and resort to just hitting mindless balls into the box.

I also think Diedhou's continuous offsides last night (3 early on) was a large contributing factor into the frustration and later hostile atmosphere at parts yesterday and the guy could do with a rest from the team. Would we have faired better against them last night if we had played with Taylor and Weimann as a front two like we did at the start of the season? I think we would certainly have caused them more problems.

Anybody bar him ffs Mo Eisa the one an only  6th minute sub appearance at Bolton would be a better shout

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The entire point of having a larger squad is to rotate out-of-form players out, and to bring players on the outside into the first-team squad.

I think Deidhou is doing fine, but we've got other options that should be considered, and if Deidhou is out of form he should be dropped.

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We have no one of comparable ability to come in. Diedhou isnt messi, but hes by far our most effective forward. It didnt take a genius to work out in January what we needed and it didnt happen. If you want to blame someone for that, ashton, lj and sl are where you look, not diedhou.

likewise, whoever thought that forward options of weimann, watkins, taylor and eisa would allow us to be competitive in the championship needs their heads read. Thats about 5 million quids worth of deadwood that no one will want to take off our hands.

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6 minutes ago, Taz said:

This is why he will not be dropped - Wiemann has played similar amount of minutes and scored 5 less.

Do you want us to try and finish in the top 6 or not?

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When you factor in goal + assist though? The equation changes...

Diedhiou still the more productive of the 2, but the gap undoubtedly narrows.

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The lack of support and service he gets gives a him bad image. One up top, against 2 centre backs is s tough ask. We either play balls up to him that if he wins there isn’t often anyone to lay it off to. Or we play along the lines looking for runners in behind. That’s not his game I don’t think. Feel sorry for him it that regard. We miss Bobby Reid a lot in both these cases. Could Semenyo play that role? Possibly from what I’ve seen. Paterson and Taylor don’t have that in their game. 

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12 minutes ago, Taz said:

This is why he will not be dropped - Wiemann has played similar amount of minutes and scored 5 less.

Do you want us to try and finish in the top 6 or not?

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But Weimann has not been played as solo striker since Fammy returned.

Weimann is played out wide - a position he didn't score many goals at Derby and, surprise, surprise, he isn't scoring from here.

Weimann can only score as an out and out striker, not a pretend winger.

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Perhaps if we stopped bringing him back for every corner and free kick in and around the box he would not look so done in and be able to make a few positive runs. After  the ball is cleared he's then expected to get forward to receive it. 

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2 hours ago, City18 said:

I just find Diedhou so frustrating to watch. Touch is atrocious, very selfish player and forever offside. Also for a player in the team playing a target man role, he very rarely wins a header or if he does it doesn't go to a team mate

Got to be worth a try

I guy of late 70s sits next to me and he used to just smile at me when FD fell over under little pressure now he's actually got to the point of finding it hard to contain his laughter..... 2 quality strikers 2 quality CM and someone to replace TK in the summer if we're serious next year about our ambitions as over the coming weeks will simply fade away. 

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40 minutes ago, Taz said:

This is why he will not be dropped - Wiemann has played similar amount of minutes and scored 5 less.

Do you want us to try and finish in the top 6 or not?

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This also doesn't account for the fact Weimann is primarily not being played as a striker, instead playing out on the wing.

Interestingly when played up top for Aston villa primarily in the Premier League he scored 12 goals and got 6 assists in 2772 minutes of football, a goal return similar to that of Famara this season in the league with more assists too.

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3 hours ago, spudski said:

We seriously lack any strike force. Think our season and hope of making the top 6 is buggered because of it.

Again last night Famara was awful.

Nearly everything breaks down when the ball goes to him.

Even if he wins the ball in his 50/50 battle with his opponent, the ball the majority of the time is lost in the next transition.

He simply doesn't suit our system of play imo.

He's not good with ball to feet, and not the best at winning crosses.

So LJ could play through the lines or from out wide with crosses...the result will still be the same...average to poor for the standard we are looking for which is top 6.

He's good at defending set pieces and unsettling defenders during our set pieces...but that's pretty much it imo.

Everyone loves a trier...but he isn't what we need for a Promotion push.

Please prove me wrong Famara.

How would you set up for the remaining games then? 

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2 hours ago, Redbo said:

The lack of support and service he gets gives a him bad image. One up top, against 2 centre backs is s tough ask. We either play balls up to him that if he wins there isn’t often anyone to lay it off to. Or we play along the lines looking for runners in behind. That’s not his game I don’t think. Feel sorry for him it that regard. We miss Bobby Reid a lot in both these cases. Could Semenyo play that role? Possibly from what I’ve seen. Paterson and Taylor don’t have that in their game. 

In all fairness he did  play a lot better when Semenyo came on at Preston. It gave their two centre backs more to do and gave Fam more space.

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I would be tempted to drop Wiemann and Diedhou , they both try hard but aren't very clinical or good.

I would start with Matty up top with Palmer in the number ten role, Play O'Dowda and Elliason out deep, and Brownhill and Pack in the middle. Then Webster, Kalas at the back with Da Silva and Hunt as wingbacks. Max in goal. 

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6 hours ago, City18 said:

Scored a fair few headers at Barnsley - Why not use him as an option for a bit more physical presence when we do just resort to long ball again

Christ ! No way is that the Watkins that we signed.

This guy looks sensational compared to the Watkins I've seen playing for us.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Bazooka Joe said:

Christ ! No way is that the Watkins that we signed.

This guy looks sensational compared to the Watkins I've seen playing for us.

 

 

Tbf has Watkins actually been given a chance ? He's had 5-10 minute cameos at most. 

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5 hours ago, City18 said:

I just find Diedhou so frustrating to watch. Touch is atrocious, very selfish player and forever offside. Also for a player in the team playing a target man role, he very rarely wins a header or if he does it doesn't go to a team mate

Got to be worth a try

At the moment, it's even worse than that - it's super-kalas-tragic-Johnson-Diedhiou is atrocious.

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3 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

When you factor in goal + assist though? The equation changes...

Diedhiou still the more productive of the 2, but the gap undoubtedly narrows.

This is true, but with the price tag taken into consideration as well, he isn't going to be benched. I think its also no coincidence that when the team play better, so does Fam. He's just not good enough when others around him are below par, and that in turn shows off his weaknesses more - first touch etc.

3 hours ago, Red-Robbo said:

But Weimann has not been played as solo striker since Fammy returned.

Weimann is played out wide - a position he didn't score many goals at Derby and, surprise, surprise, he isn't scoring from here.

Weimann can only score as an out and out striker, not a pretend winger.

Again true, but when he does get a chance in a match, he's hardly clinical either.

2 hours ago, City18 said:

This also doesn't account for the fact Weimann is primarily not being played as a striker, instead playing out on the wing.

Interestingly when played up top for Aston villa primarily in the Premier League he scored 12 goals and got 6 assists in 2772 minutes of football, a goal return similar to that of Famara this season in the league with more assists too.

See above. If he was getting into positions and scoring from them, you could argue that he should be playing alongside/instead of Fam.

 

His best spell for us was at the beginning of the season when Fam was suspended, but the goals did dry up. Yes he was moved out of being the primary striker, but when he has played he's hardly setting the place alight himself.

 

Fact remains that we are missing Reid, and haven't replaced him.

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7 hours ago, Super said:

Or just give him a strike partner?

Yes, yes and yet more yes! He is isolated so can be teamed up on, having someone else there to make the opposition defence split their concentration and attention, it's so bloody obvious it's infuriating! Especially if that other person can control the ball and shoot on target

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2 hours ago, The Original OTIB said:

How would you set up for the remaining games then? 

I really don't think we can change it now...it is what it is.

We've done well to be in 6th place...built around a strong defence.

I think we've become confused up front.

 

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I'd personally go Weimann or Taylor up front as a lone striker with the appropriate combination of any of O'Dowda, Eliasson, Palmer, Paterson, Weimann or yes Taylor as the supporting cast depending on who you choose under strict instructions to get up and support, create movement- replicate as best we can the 4-4-1-1 of late Autumn- early Winter 2017/18. At least they have technical ability, intense workrate and in Weimann's case great early runs!

If I was going full 2017/18 combination, if people fit etc:

Maenpaa- or whoever the hell we have fit in goal...hope it's not Marinovic!

Hunt Webster Kalas Da Silva

OR

Wright Webster Kalas Kelly

O'Dowda Brownhill Pack Eliasson

OR

O'Dowda Brownhill Pack Da Silva

Paterson OR Palmer

Weimann or Taylor.

It's a bit unwieldy. but I feel we basically need either 2 orthodox FBs or 4 players in which the 2 full backs can easily come inside. In a nutshell, Wright or Hunt and Kelly or Da Silva. NOT Wright and Da Silva or Hunt and Kelly...inverted nonsense.

Paterson as the '1' behind Weimann or Taylor can replicate him and Reid to a point. Da Silva-Kelly left side has potential to replicate that of Magnússon-Bryan though less good or at least attacking version.

Palmer as that '1' would bring potential to drop into a bona-fide 3...hasn't really done much since his early time here but a combination of:

O'Dowda Brownhill Pack Da Silva or Eliasson

                             Palmer

               Weimann or Taylor

This would give security in midfield, flexibility of multiple players to interchange, to drift in and out with the confidence knowing that the extra man or the condensed centre can guard against the quick break if Palmer can stick more central, it could help us exert more dominance and control in these zones.

Could even when people fit consider for maximum flexibility and dominance in this respect:

Wright Kalas Webster Kelly

Brownhill Pack Smith Da Silva

                  Palmer

         Weimann or Taylor

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Spent most of last and beginning of this season sticking up for him but honestly i cant anymore. His movement is poor and for a guy over 6ft he wins hardly any aerial balls, touch like Jimmy Saville to go with it. Eliasson in my opinion is one of the best crossers in the league and puts loads on a plate, should be scoring more for me. Bit like watching bambi on ice at times.

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8 hours ago, City18 said:

Purely off stats this season,

Fammy 2489 minutes played - 11 Goals - 3 Assists (226 mins per goal) (830 mins per assist) (178 mins per goal/assist)

Taylor 1101 minutes played - 3 Goals - 5 Assists (367 mins per goal) (220 mins per assist) (137 mins per goal/assist)

 

While he may get fewer goals, he contributes considerably more to the team

Haven’t read all the debate, but we score more goals as a team with Taylor on the pitch....around a goal every 52minutes. With Fam on the pitch is every 72 minutes.  There are reasons for this perhaps, Taylor on against tired defences, but I posted over the weekend, that at some point Taylor (or someone) has to start over Fam to give him a rest as a minimum.

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15 hours ago, spudski said:

I really don't think we can change it now...it is what it is.

We've done well to be in 6th place...built around a strong defence.

I think we've become confused up front.

 

A consistent approach. 

Lee Johnson has (again) become inconsistent. That fuels confusion. 

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2 minutes ago, Cowshed said:

A consistent approach. 

Lee Johnson has (again) become inconsistent. That fuels confusion. 

I really think he thought Famara would be better than he is...and he's stuck with him hoping he'll improve.

I don't understand the tactic of firing in crosses from Elliason etc...to who?

We don't have a team that is strong in the air up front.

We are better on the floor playing through the lines with short passing and movement penetrating the box.

That game seems to have gone out the window.

I'm guessing because when it breaks down we are more susceptible to the counter attack.

Match days seem to be a Mish mash of ideas that get confusing in the final third, where players are often pretty much static on the shoulder of the defenders.

We have lost our way most definitely.

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8 minutes ago, spudski said:

I really think he thought Famara would be better than he is...and he's stuck with him hoping he'll improve.

I don't understand the tactic of firing in crosses from Elliason etc...to who?

We don't have a team that is strong in the air up front.

We are better on the floor playing through the lines with short passing and movement penetrating the box.

That game seems to have gone out the window.

I'm guessing because when it breaks down we are more susceptible to the counter attack.

Match days seem to be a Mish mash of ideas that get confusing in the final third, where players are often pretty much static on the shoulder of the defenders.

We have lost our way most definitely.

And ultimately the improvement there is down to the Manager. City improved because the Manager made a decision to stick with an approach.

In one of your posts you made a point about wanting a Forward who can control it. What about the Keeper Tuesday? It is again a mish mash of ideas If the intent is really to play through the thirds with passing and movement. That takes conviction in everything, each recruit must possess the key technical ability. Its a conviction Lee Johnson appears to want at points of seasons, then he makes decisions that cannot make that future game a reality. 

In the squad at this point each recruit doesn't have the key skills to do what you would like to see.

 

 

 

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Yup, I think we spent a good chunk of money on him and LJ is obliged to play him. He doesn’t seem to be improving though and tends to score as much by accident as intent ( they all count though), but I do wonder if Weimann or Taylor had been afforded the time and the patience and allowed to play we wouldn’t have done similar? 

Diedhiou gets quite easily bullied and pushed around though, most defenders know how to play him too easily. He doesn’t get much from the Refs on the whole though, probably as he’s largely leaning into the defender and looking for the foul more than just getting on with playing the ball. He also tends to do the difficult things quite easy at time, brings down an impossible ball and then completely misses the tap-in, too often.

I really think we are hoping by playing him he will attract a bid, maybe get at least some of our money back so we can rip it up and start again and save face at the same time. And in all honesty I wouldn’t be shedding tears or fearing playing him in the future, which is sad. Until that happens he gets my full support, what choice do I have.

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 No way are Weimann or Taylor suddenly going to turn into goal a game strikers to take us into playoffs.

Properly supported Diedhiou just might.

Supported by whom?  Semeneyo played as a second striker and not as a winger, or Taylor, or Palmer. The Diedhiou / Weimann combination hasn't worked however.

If I was LJ this is the question I would be working on in the break

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On 14/03/2019 at 09:42, RedM said:

Yup, I think we spent a good chunk of money on him and LJ is obliged to play him. He doesn’t seem to be improving though and tends to score as much by accident as intent ( they all count though), but I do wonder if Weimann or Taylor had been afforded the time and the patience and allowed to play we wouldn’t have done similar? 

Diedhiou gets quite easily bullied and pushed around though, most defenders know how to play him too easily. He doesn’t get much from the Refs on the whole though, probably as he’s largely leaning into the defender and looking for the foul more than just getting on with playing the ball. He also tends to do the difficult things quite easy at time, brings down an impossible ball and then completely misses the tap-in, too often.

I really think we are hoping by playing him he will attract a bid, maybe get at least some of our money back so we can rip it up and start again and save face at the same time. And in all honesty I wouldn’t be shedding tears or fearing playing him in the future, which is sad. Until that happens he gets my full support, what choice do I have.

Boom!! 

2 hours ago, Ivorguy said:

 No way are Weimann or Taylor suddenly going to turn into goal a game strikers to take us into playoffs.

Properly supported Diedhiou just might.

Supported by whom?  Semeneyo played as a second striker and not as a winger, or Taylor, or Palmer. The Diedhiou / Weimann combination hasn't worked however.

If I was LJ this is the question I would be working on in the break

I think Weimann especially would be sat here with more than 11 league goals had he played as a Centre Forward all season.  He had 5 in 5, and of course he would never have kept that up, but I think he would’ve added at least 5 more than just the one more he has scored playing wide.

I think he’d force us to play more on the deck too, and provide an option in behind too.

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On 13/03/2019 at 12:21, spudski said:

We seriously lack any strike force. Think our season and hope of making the top 6 is buggered because of it.

Again last night Famara was awful.

Nearly everything breaks down when the ball goes to him.

Even if he wins the ball in his 50/50 battle with his opponent, the ball the majority of the time is lost in the next transition.

He simply doesn't suit our system of play imo.

He's not good with ball to feet, and not the best at winning crosses.

So LJ could play through the lines or from out wide with crosses...the result will still be the same...average to poor for the standard we are looking for which is top 6.

He's good at defending set pieces and unsettling defenders during our set pieces...but that's pretty much it imo.

Everyone loves a trier...but he isn't what we need for a Promotion push.

Please prove me wrong Famara.

I will always support him while he pulls our shirt on but totally agree and been saying the same for quite a while. His first touch is so poor and he’s reactionary , especially in the box . He rarely seems to gamble/ anticipate and always seems to be on his heels. For a team challenging for the play offs he’s not good enough. 

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6 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

I will always support him while he pulls our shirt on but totally agree and been saying the same for quite a while. His first touch is so poor and he’s reactionary , especially in the box . He rarely seems to gamble/ anticipate and always seems to be on his heels. For a team challenging for the play offs he’s not good enough. 

My sentiments exactly...and I don't care for the comments that he plays better when he has a partner. That doesn't wash with me. He's made to look better by that partner.

The basics by him are poor. Yes...he puts a shift in, and is likeable...but his touch, awareness, pro activeness, reading of the game, movement, heading, balance, body positioning etc is all off for this level of football.

I'd love to see his stats of how many times we lose possession directly after he's touched the ball.

 

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I think everyone else see's a different Wiemann to me. I think he looks absolutely shocking. Slow to react, scuffs his shots and looks no threat at all unless he has an easy chance. I personally feel Wiemann has been a very poor signing. 

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I suppose at 26 FD doesn't have to be the finished article yet and a couple more seasons could see him improve a lot. 

I'm intrigued to know if he bangs in the goals in training. If so, there's something to tease out of him. If not, we need someone else. 

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23 minutes ago, spudski said:

My sentiments exactly...and I don't care for the comments that he plays better when he has a partner. That doesn't wash with me. He's made to look better by that partner.

The basics by him are poor. Yes...he puts a shift in, and is likeable...but his touch, awareness, pro activeness, reading of the game, movement, heading, balance, body positioning etc is all off for this level of football.

I'd love to see his stats of how many times we lose possession directly after he's touched the ball.

 

In his defence I don’t think we play to his strengths, but in spells this season he’s frustrated me massively.  I don’t go away from home...it appears (from watching streams) he is more of a handful away.

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No..... he has had an average season that's true, but he can kick on and be the real deal, he has the attributes, that overhead Tuesday is the mark of the man, next season could be a very good one for him and us. 

As said likeable, and  seems to like it here.

Go on Fammy :city:

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10 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

In his defence I don’t think we play to his strengths, but in spells this season he’s frustrated me massively.  I don’t go away from home...it appears (from watching streams) he is more of a handful away.

I try to give him the benefit of the doubt every game Dave...I watch him more than any other player, because I want him to prove me wrong.

However...I'm trying to tick box's in my head as to what he does well for this level.

There are very few.

Tbh...imo, he'd make a good CB if you were looking to play him in another position.

He's actually better at defending...his heading and positioning and reactions are far stronger when he's back defending set pieces.

He's not a natural footballer.

A natural footballer has balance and positioning and can read a game...they can do the basics well.

If you can't control a football...how the hell are you expected to do it when under pressure?

He has moments...which is why I think LJ sticks with him. But it's so few.

If Famara was being scouted whilst playing for us, would we have paid what we did for him?

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23 minutes ago, Suffolkcity said:

I think everyone else see's a different Wiemann to me. I think he looks absolutely shocking. Slow to react, scuffs his shots and looks no threat at all unless he has an easy chance. I personally feel Wiemann has been a very poor signing. 

Sounds like the perfect description of Fammy to me. 

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32 minutes ago, spudski said:

My sentiments exactly...and I don't care for the comments that he plays better when he has a partner. That doesn't wash with me. He's made to look better by that partner.

The basics by him are poor. Yes...he puts a shift in, and is likeable...but his touch, awareness, pro activeness, reading of the game, movement, heading, balance, body positioning etc is all off for this level of football.

I'd love to see his stats of how many times we lose possession directly after he's touched the ball.

 

Correct me if I’m wrong . If I’m a attacking midfielder , no10  looking to play off him directly  or indirectly , or any striker then you make runs off them knowing he’s going to hold the ball up consistently and have confidence in those runs knowing you’re going to get the ball. How many of pato, Taylor , Palmer, brownhill , O’dowda make those third man runs and burst into the box after another one of those mentioned have been able to feed off fam . 

I might be completely wrong but plenty say how isolated he is . Is this due to a lack of confidence from his team mates knowing if they gamble and we lose the ball the opposition outnumber our midfield  and break on us , or is it LJ’s lack of confidence in him . 

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I love Diedhiou. Ain't the best striker we've ever had. But crucial away from home. Give him a solid partner and we'd be a good team. 

Weimann and Taylor are not solid partners.

Semenyo may be soon. Just look at how effective those two were vs Preston second half.

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