Were you consulted?

[Unan]

So JL has said they set up a Fans Feedback Group as they went through the redesign process. This isn’t the poll that was sent via email.

So, were you consulted? Do you know anyone that was? Surely with the vast array of users on OTIB some of us were consulted?

If you were I would love some information on what was discussed.

[RedRoss]

Someone's not happy

[Unan]

2 minutes ago, RedRoss said:

Someone's not happy

I’m relatively indifferent in all honesty, I’m just very surprised we’ve heard nothing about this in the past 6 months.

[Cowshed]

31 minutes ago, Unan said:

So JL has said they set up a Fans Feedback Group as they went through the redesign process. This isn’t the poll that was sent via email.

So, were you consulted? Do you know anyone that was? Surely with the vast array of users on OTIB some of us were consulted?

If you were I would love some information on what was discussed.

It would be interesting to hear who was on this group and how they engaged with fellow supporters. 

Consultation is frequently used as nothing more than a box ticking exercise.

[elhombrecito]

I've completed at least one email from the club on the subject of a new badge, but I've not been personally consulted. Not sure if that's a yes or no to your question tbh...

[phantom]

Would be interested to hear from those that said they were and how and when they were consulted, as there is no FAN group anymore and didn't go through the SC&T

[phantom]

2 minutes ago, elhombrecito said:

I've completed at least one email from the club on the subject of a new badge, but I've not been personally consulted. Not sure if that's a yes or no to your question tbh...

I would say no, the indication from the club is that a group of supporters were consulted AFTER the survey we were all sent 

[Natchfever]

Probably as much consultation as the rugby club rename.

Property of Mr Lansdown so get used to such interaction.

Naff but not the end of the world. If people really object dont buy any merchandise with it on and insist upon wearing old clobber if you wear such things.

[nickolas]

No. My personal account manager did not consult me. 

But bugger a badge or crappy new kit, im still worried about Sheffield United!

[Bar BS3]

I really don’t see the big issue. 

I don't hate it, don’t love it. 

Wewere told the Robin was coming back at it would be “modernised” it’s ok. Meh. 

I’d rather have kept the coat of arms but still, meh. 

It’s what it represents that matters, so I’ll support it. It’s not embarrassing, it’s justs bit ... well... meh!

 

[Bar BS3]

1 hour ago, Unan said:

So JL has said they set up a Fans Feedback Group as they went through the redesign process. This isn’t the poll that was sent via email.

So, were you consulted? Do you know anyone that was? Surely with the vast array of users on OTIB some of us were consulted?

If you were I would love some information on what was discussed.

I’m not sure what your objective is, in having a poll..?

Any consultation group is usually a very small percentage of any group. Bearing in mind it’s been proven that otib probably represents about 1% of regulars at Ashton Gate, the only way to tell if people like it or not will be in merchandise sales. 

I’m not supporting it, but I’m not opposed to it either. 

 

[Cowshed]

20 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

m not sure what your objective is, in having a poll..?

Any consultation group is usually a very small percentage of any group. Bearing in mind it’s been proven that otib probably represents about 1% of regulars at Ashton Gate, the only way to tell if people like it or not will be in merchandise sales. 

I’m not supporting it, but I’m not opposed to it either. 

 

But a consultation group by its design can represent demographics of fans easily if the intent is to do so.

Otib almost certainly represents more than 1% of regulars. 

It would be reasonable to expect that somebody can answer the opening posters questions if Jon Lansdown wanted to broadly consult fans /promote engagement.

 

[Port Said Red]

1 hour ago, Unan said:

So JL has said they set up a Fans Feedback Group as they went through the redesign process. This isn’t the poll that was sent via email.

So, were you consulted? Do you know anyone that was? Surely with the vast array of users on OTIB some of us were consulted?

If you were I would love some information on what was discussed.

Sorry mate, but it's of no real relevance is it? Look at the comments, look at the equally useless poll. Do you really think there is any sort of badge that could be designed where 100% of the fans would have said it was perfect? Every badge or shirt (even the ones that some people now call iconic) have had their detractors when in use. They could have consulted 1000 of us and people would have been equally unhappy.

[BS4 on Tour...]

It may be just me....but I really think that if the new badge had included a robin, 1894 and the suspension bridge, a lot more fans would have been happy with it.....we just missed out the iconic, world famous landmark....

[Davefevs]

[Mendip Broadwalk]

According to Jon Lansdown he consulted the Supporters trust over the date of 1894.

[Bar BS3]

44 minutes ago, Cowshed said:

Otib almost certainly represents more than 1% of regulars. 

 

Ok, I don’t know the stats & facts, but we’ve got what.. 17k regulars nowadays..? 

Maybe 1% is inaccurate. But how many people post on here regularly, during an international break..?

Ok, so maybe more traffic than usual due to an “evocative event” (new badge) 

How many different people have been on here in the last 24 hours..? I’ve no idea. Maybe 5% of the regular attendees..? Many of those on here openly admit to not going to games regularly. How far off the mark am I..? Would genuinely be interesting to know, for future reference of the opinion on here. 

 

[Oops]

The man is a buffoon.

if this clown and his cronies are what we’ve got to tolerate, they can swivel for my £500 season ticket.

It’s ******* awful.

[Bar BS3]

14 minutes ago, Oops said:

The man is a buffoon.

if this clown and his cronies are what we’ve got to tolerate, they can swivel for my £500 season ticket.

It’s ******* awful.

Slight over reaction, don’t you think..?! 

It’s not awful. It’s not what I’d have chosen, but it’s hardly worth getting upset about..!

[Oops]

51 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

Sorry mate, but it's of no real relevance is it? Look at the comments, look at the equally useless poll. Do you really think there is any sort of badge that could be designed where 100% of the fans would have said it was perfect? Every badge or shirt (even the ones that some people now call iconic) have had their detractors when in use. They could have consulted 1000 of us and people would have been equally unhappy.

Totally disagree mate.

If they’d listened to the fans, or taken any notice whatsoever of what we wanted, this  dogs cock of of a badge would not have been sanctioned. 

I support the team, not the corporate machinations that burble within it.

As always, some clown has been paid a huge amount of money to knock up a logo.

And a ******* logo is an affront to everyone who invests in the team and what we try to accomplish. 

As always, the wishes of the mugs who turn out rain or shine, win or draw, are subsumed by the blind arrogance of people who think they know better.

******* disgusting behaviour.

[Bar BS3]

4 minutes ago, Oops said:

Totally disagree mate.

If they’d listened to the fans, or taken any notice whatsoever of what we wanted, this  dogs cock of of a badge would not have been sanctioned. 

I support the team, not the corporate machinations that burble within it.

As always, some clown has been paid a huge amount of money to knock up a logo.

And a ******* logo is an affront to everyone who invests in the team and what we try to accomplish. 

As always, the wishes of the mugs who turn out rain or shine, win or draw, are subsumed by the blind arrogance of people who think they know better.

******* disgusting behaviour.

Sorry, haven’t there been long running campaigns to “bring the Robin back”..? 

Not something I’ve ever backed myself, but here it is. What’s the problem..?

[Cowshed]

8 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

Ok, I don’t know the stats & facts, but we’ve got what.. 17k regulars nowadays..? 

Maybe 1% is inaccurate. But how many people post on here regularly, during an international break..?

Ok, so maybe more traffic than usual due to an “evocative event” (new badge) 

How many different people have been on here in the last 24 hours..? I’ve no idea. Maybe 5% of the regular attendees..? Many of those on here openly admit to not going to games regularly. How far off the mark am I..? Would genuinely be interesting to know, for future reference of the opinion on here. 

 

I think it would be quite reasonable to think that 170 (your 1% of 17000) of the users of a Bristol City fans forum which has thousands of members would be attending Bristol City matches … Its an odd proposition to think that figure would not be higher. 

My point was about the nature of Jon Lansdowns consultation. A consultation group by its design can represent demographics of fans easily if the intent is to do so. 

https://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/a-crest-fans-can-hold-close-to-their-hearts-lansdown/

Jon Lansdown here mentions a fans feedback group which covered various sections and demographic of the fan base … Again I do not think the opening posters questions are uneven as they are posted on a heavily used forum, which really does draw its membership from various sections and demographic of the fan base 

[Oops]

3 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

Slight over reaction, don’t you think..?! 

It’s not awful. It’s not what I’d have chosen, but it’s hardly worth getting upset about..!

Upset? 

I’ll still be there week in, week out mate. But the thing that really sticks in my craw is that the corporate machine rolls on, no matter what. 

This unbelievably crass decision was made way before ‘they’ even canvassed opinion from the fan base.

The identity of Bristol City has been destroyed by greed and ignorance, and I’m really annoyed about it.

[Bar BS3]

3 minutes ago, Cowshed said:

I think it would be quite reasonable to think that 170 (your 1% of 17000) of the users of a Bristol City fans forum which has thousands of members would be attending Bristol City matches … Its an odd proposition to think that figure would not be higher. 

My point was about the nature of Jon Lansdowns consultation. A consultation group by its design can represent demographics of fans easily if the intent is to do so. 

https://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/a-crest-fans-can-hold-close-to-their-hearts-lansdown/

Jon Lansdown here mentions a fans feedback group which covered various sections and demographic of the fan base … Again I do not think the opening posters questions are uneven as they are posted on a heavily used forum, which really does draw its membership from various sections and demographic of the fan base 

Well, the fact only 111 people have currently responded to the poll and 15% claim to have been consulted, seems to kind of nullify the concern, does it not..? 

[Bar BS3]

1 minute ago, Oops said:

Upset? 

I’ll still be there week in, week out mate. But the thing that really sticks in my craw is that the corporate machine rolls on, no matter what. 

This unbelievably crass decision was made way before ‘they’ even canvassed opinion from the fan base.

The identity of Bristol City has been destroyed by greed and ignorance, and I’m really annoyed about it.

What element of “greed” is satisfied by this..? If it’s not popular, they will sell less. (Tickets, merchandise, etc) so how can that be classed as greed..? 

[Cowshed]

3 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

Well, the fact only 111 people have currently responded to the poll and 15% claim to have been consulted, seems to kind of nullify the concern, does it not..? 

Then these posters will be able to answer the last line of the opening post.

 

3 hours ago, Unan said:

If you were I would love some information on what was discussed.

 

[Bar BS3]

3 minutes ago, Cowshed said:

Then these posters will be able to answer the last line of the opening post.

 

 

What do you think was discussed..?!

out of interest.. genuinely... did you complete the supporter survey about logos..?

[Oops]

2 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

What element of “greed” is satisfied by this..? If it’s not popular, they will sell less. (Tickets, merchandise, etc) so how can that be classed as greed..? 

Ok, just so we’re clear.

I don’t want to see this new daft logo on anything, we’re more than a logo.

The Bristol coat of arms was fine by me, can’t beat a unicorn or two on a crest; along with the Suspension Bridge.

But this? No. 

This is not what we have strived for. 

It’s a cop out by people who don’t have any affection or connection to the club, team or fans they are supposed to represent.

[Port Said Red]

25 minutes ago, Oops said:

Totally disagree mate.

If they’d listened to the fans, or taken any notice whatsoever of what we wanted, this  dogs cock of of a badge would not have been sanctioned. 

I support the team, not the corporate machinations that burble within it.

As always, some clown has been paid a huge amount of money to knock up a logo.

And a ******* logo is an affront to everyone who invests in the team and what we try to accomplish. 

As always, the wishes of the mugs who turn out rain or shine, win or draw, are subsumed by the blind arrogance of people who think they know better.

******* disgusting behaviour.

You appear to be in a very small minority here, clearly they should have just asked you and no one else.

[Oops]

2 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

You appear to be in a very small minority here, clearly they should have just asked you and no one else.

It’s called an ‘an opinion’ mucker.

Google it if you’re unsure

[Bar BS3]

3 minutes ago, Oops said:

Ok, just so we’re clear.

I don’t want to see this new daft logo on anything, we’re more than a logo.

The Bristol coat of arms was fine by me, can’t beat a unicorn or two on a crest; along with the Suspension Bridge.

But this? No. 

This is not what we have strived for. 

It’s a cop out by people who don’t have any affection or connection to the club, team or fans they are supposed to represent.

I preferred the coat of arms too, but lots of people didn’t. The online poll on here shows support for the new design. 

You sound like a “stay” brexit voter..! 

(I didn’t vote out, or in. I’m glad now because anyone who voted for something they didn’t know what they were voting for is a bit of a mug in my opinion, and sums up everything that’s wrong with giving morons (the general public) democracy!) 

[Port Said Red]

1 minute ago, Oops said:

It’s called an ‘an opinion’ mucker.

Google it if you’re unsure

I know, just not quite sure how a badge can make someone so angry. People were asked, some responded, some didn't. There are only few ways you can go with something that has to include red, white, some sort of historical reference, some sort of reference to our nickname and maybe something that includes Bristol. I would have preferred the suspension bridge in there somewhere, but it's hardly a show stopper.

[Bar BS3]

3 minutes ago, Oops said:

It’s called an ‘an opinion’ mucker.

Google it if you’re unsure

So you will hold your opinion, but respect that others feel differently and accept the outcome graciously..?! 

Ooops, bit late for that now, eh..?!

[Davefevs]

@Oops if you really feel that strongly, vote with your feet (or wallet).  That is your entitlement.

Personally, I wasn’t consulted and I like it.  I prefer it to the Robin we currently have on the b&w kit.

[Bar BS3]

6 minutes ago, Oops said:

It’s called an ‘an opinion’ mucker.

Google it if you’re unsure

Honestly... did you respond to the survey they sent out..? 

[Oops]

1 minute ago, Bar BS3 said:

I preferred the coat of arms too, but lots of people didn’t. The online poll on here shows support for the new design. 

You sound like a “stay” brexit voter..! 

(I didn’t vote out, or in. I’m glad now because anyone who voted for something they didn’t know what they were voting for is a bit of a mug in my opinion, and sums up everything that’s wrong with giving morons (the general public) democracy!) 

Wow.

So morons don’t have opinions?

[Bar BS3]

1 minute ago, Oops said:

Wow.

So morons don’t have opinions?

Of course they do. But if they don’t know what they’ve got an opinion about, then they are morons..! 

[Oops]

You’ve lost me there cocker,

I don’t like the new logo. Convince me.

[Bar BS3]

3 minutes ago, Oops said:

You’ve lost me there cocker,

I don’t like the new logo. Convince me.

I don’t need to convince you. You don’t like it. That’s fine..! 

When you wake up in the morning, you will realise that literally nothing in your life has changed, and hopefully you’ll have calmed down a bit..! 

[Davefevs]

4 minutes ago, Oops said:

You’ve lost me there cocker,

I don’t like the new logo. Convince me.

You don’t need to be convinced.  You’ve made your decision, you don’t like it.  That is fine.  As you say, it’s an opinion, and you’ve voiced it on a forum.  That too is fine.  Some will agree with you, some won’t.  That is fine also.

OTIB would be boring otherwise.

ITK - Johnson’s daughter (who he’d trust with his life) drew the logo 

[Oops]

Wow, thanks BS3. 

I can sleep soundly tonight knowing that my personal opinion has made no difference to the final outcome of the shit logo debate.

I’m going to rush upstairs and tell my Mrs that you’ve just torn me a new one

 

[Oops]

8 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

You don’t need to be convinced.  You’ve made your decision, you don’t like it.  That is fine.  As you say, it’s an opinion, and you’ve voiced it on a forum.  That too is fine.  Some will agree with you, some won’t.  That is fine also.

OTIB would be boring otherwise.

ITK - Johnson’s daughter (who he’d trust with his life) drew the logo 

How old is his daughter? 

I’m guessing 4

[Bar BS3]

17 minutes ago, Oops said:

Wow, thanks BS3. 

I can sleep soundly tonight knowing that my personal opinion has made no difference to the final outcome of the shit logo debate.

I’m going to rush upstairs and tell my Mrs that you’ve just torn me a new one

 

Don’t feel bad about it mate. Just bend over like a good boy while she practises with her new strap on. 

Have a good night..!

[RedLionLad]

13 minutes ago, Oops said:

How old is his daughter? 

I’m guessing 4

Give up mate, she's already married...

[Taz]

No, I wasn't consulted, and I am writing to my local MP to complain about it.

 

[Tinmans Love Child]

10 hours ago, Unan said:

So JL has said they set up a Fans Feedback Group as they went through the redesign process. This isn’t the poll that was sent via email.

So, were you consulted? Do you know anyone that was? Surely with the vast array of users on OTIB some of us were consulted?

If you were I would love some information on what was discussed.

I did an online survey I got emailed

[Oops]

6 hours ago, Bar BS3 said:

Don’t feel bad about it mate. Just bend over like a good boy while she practises with her new strap on. 

Have a good night..!

Get to school wee man, leave the debate for the adults.

Get your hand out of your Lonsdale jogging bottoms, have a Dairylea Dunker and grab a shower. There's a good boy

[Drew Peacock]

7 hours ago, Oops said:

Wow.

So morons don’t have opinions?

Well you do 

[Bar BS3]

15 minutes ago, Oops said:

Get to school wee man, leave the debate for the adults.

Get your hand out of your Lonsdale jogging bottoms, have a Dairylea Dunker and grab a shower. There's a good boy

You didn’t answer before. Did you complete the survey that they sent out..?

[Cowshed]

8 hours ago, Bar BS3 said:

What do you think was discussed..?!

out of interest.. genuinely... did you complete the supporter survey about logos..?

 

7 hours ago, Bar BS3 said:

Don’t feel bad about it mate. Just bend over like a good boy while she practises with her new strap on. 

Have a good night..!

Looking at the standard of your posting I don't think you are sincerely interested in the topic of the thread or its replies.

[Bar BS3]

3 minutes ago, Cowshed said:

 

Looking at the standard of your posting I don't think you are sincerely interested in the topic of the thread or its replies.

I wouldn’t expect you to think I was, after having a sense of humour bybass.  

[Mendip Broadwalk]

@barbs3 people put a lot of effort into bring back the Robin including one who tragically died not so long ago. you know people there will be disappointed about Jon Lansdown and whoever else it was has gone about this. you know that the way Jon Lansdown has done his consultation is way off the mark fans suggested there.  It was important to some. stop your winds ups. Bit of respect please.

[Oops]

2 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

You didn’t answer before. Did you complete the survey that they sent out..?

I did.

I just don't like the new logo. It's not a badge that represents the club or the city, it's a corporate graphic which will look great on emails and training wear.

I'm interested as to which demographic the new badge is supposed to appeal to? The arrogance of the people in charge of this club never fails to surprise me.

[Bar BS3]

12 minutes ago, Oops said:

I did.

I just don't like the new logo. It's not a badge that represents the club or the city, it's a corporate graphic which will look great on emails and training wear.

I'm interested as to which demographic the new badge is supposed to appeal to? The arrogance of the people in charge of this club never fails to surprise me.

I preferred the coat of arms. 

Although I think you are wrong about the badge not representing the club or the City. I think that the “Bristol City” part covers those 2 bases..!

[Trueredsupporter]

48 minutes ago, Tinmans Love Child said:

I did an online survey I got emailed

The opening post is asking about a fans feedback group not the survey. 26 vote yes but no reply to the op.??

[Davefevs]

8 hours ago, Oops said:

How old is his daughter? 

I’m guessing 4

3 1/2, but taller than her dad!!!!

[Undy English]

I did the email survey but yet to speak to someone who attended one of these face-to-face consultations Lansdown mentions.

Someone said earlier: you won't keep all our fan base happy. Very true. But I think most would agree we need something clearly identifiable as 'Bristol' on there, namely the Suspension Bridge which the club were happy to plaster in the new emblem last night.

[Bar BS3]

1 hour ago, Three Lions said:

@barbs3 people put a lot of effort into bring back the Robin including one who tragically died not so long ago. you know people there will be disappointed about Jon Lansdown and whoever else it was has gone about this. you know that the way Jon Lansdown has done his consultation is way off the mark fans suggested there.  It was important to some. stop your winds ups. Bit of respect please.

I’m not on a wind up. I know there were a section of support who campaigned long and hard for the Robin to return. 

It has returned. I was never a fan of bringing it back, personally, but I actually think it’s ok. I like it more today than I did on first viewing yesterday, so I think it might grow on me and others. 

It’s different and new, probably not exactly what some had in mind, but I think it works, or at least it will once people get used to it and it becomes more familiar. 

Quite simply, no change is ever going to have universal approval, but the poll on here shows that it’s more liked than disliked, which is not bad for starters. 

I actually prefer the simple version that on the training wear, to the circled version that on the shirt, although some might say that’s a bit reminiscent of the Tottenham badge..?

I can understand, although don’t agree, with those who are demanding the suspension bridge to be included. It could be, but it doesn’t matter that it’s not. 

It’s a Robin, on a football. Modern & different, but certainly not bad, imho. 

[Riaz]

I'm not going to complain about not being consulted. I knew there was a consultation process. Still think the bad is shyte tho. Just dont understand whats wrong with the original robin badge. Why do we have to commericlise it??

[Sixtyseconds]

Mr Bar BS3.

82.7% say nay.

That's a point about consultation.

The one the thread is about.

And the one you avoid.

You've been posting about strap ons.

That's more than a wind up.

Rather not picture that sketch thank you.

[Bar BS3]

5 minutes ago, Riaz said:

I'm not going to complain about not being consulted. I knew there was a consultation process. Still think the bad is shyte tho. Just dont understand whats wrong with the original robin badge. Why do we have to commericlise it??

Because, like it or not, football (sport in general) is now very commercialised. 

Its actually quite surprising how many clubs have changed/modernised their traditional badge over the past few years. 

[Bar BS3]

2 minutes ago, Sixtyseconds said:

Mr Bar BS3.

82.7% say nay.

That's a point about consultation.

The one the thread is about.

And the one you avoid.

You've been posting about strap ons.

That's more than a wind up.

Rather not picture that sketch thank you.

This poll is about consultation, not how people feel about the new badge. The poll that asks that shows results of less than 1 in 4 people not liking it. 

[Sixtyseconds]

Yes Mr Bar BS3

Consultation.

Fans feedback group.

Who were they?

What was discussed?

How did they feedback?

[Mike Hunt-Hertz]

10 hours ago, Three Lions said:

According to Jon Lansdown he consulted the Supporters trust over the date of 1894.

1894 is a fact. Why would he need to consult?

[Riaz]

9 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

Because, like it or not, football (sport in general) is now very commercialised. 

Its actually quite surprising how many clubs have changed/modernised their traditional badge over the past few years. 

I dont think a club like ours needs to be commericalised. Our fans are often very different from your man utd, liverpool fans etc

Theres more of actual connection and we should concentrate on being authentic. Thats our strength in my opinion.

[Robbored]

The club could/should have drawn up a sortlist of posside designs and asked fans to vote the one they liked best but they didn’t.........and it’s too late now so no point whinging about it.

[Cowshed]

2 minutes ago, Riaz said:

I dont think a club like ours needs to be commericalised. Our fans are often very different from your man utd, liverpool fans etc

Theres more of actual connection and we should concentrate on being authentic. Thats our strength in my opinion.

How better to promote authenticity than by involving fans thoroughly in what is supposed to be our badge?

A redesign would not please everybody but by having a clear process that was fan centred it would be more likely to promote buy in via its engagement. Supporter engagement would be part of the badges USP's - Designed with fans.

Easy chance and win here shanked over the bar. 

 

[phantom]

 

10 hours ago, Bar BS3 said:

What do you think was discussed..?!

out of interest.. genuinely... did you complete the supporter survey about logos..?

 

2 hours ago, Tinmans Love Child said:

I did an online survey I got emailed

The bit I am interested about is the "Focus group" can anyone say they were in this group of know of anyone that was in this "Focus group" ?

1 hour ago, Riaz said:

I'm not going to complain about not being consulted. I knew there was a consultation process.

@Riaz do you mean the survey we had or the "focus group"?

[Riaz]

7 minutes ago, phantom said:

 

 

The bit I am interested about is the "Focus group" can anyone say they were in this group of know of anyone that was in this "Focus group" ?

@Riaz do you mean the survey we had or the "focus group"?

I think i filled out the survey and i think i heard about the focus group. Not totally sure tho.

I was fully aware they were looking at it.

[RedM]

I’ve not read the whole of the discussion on various threads so appologies if previously mentioned, but the badge is quite a lot like the Supporters Club and Trust badge, (someone please put it on here for me I can’t work out how,). Was there input from them perhaps?