headhunter Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 For me it's a no. 0-0-3-1-0-3-0-1-0-1 = 9 + 55 = 64 With that we'll probably slip a place or two compared with last year. We'd have accumulated a paltry 11 points from a possible 45. That's 1/3 season in relegation form!!! Streaky Johnson - not the progress SL is hoping for but we are a sustainable club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, headhunter said: For me it's a no. 0-0-3-1-0-3-0-1-0-1 = 9 + 55 = 64 With that we'll probably slip a place or two compared with last year. We'd have accumulated a paltry 11 points from a possible 45. That's 1/3 season in relegation form!!! Streaky Johnson - not the progress SL is hoping for but we are a sustainable club. Johnson Out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 Doubtful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 If Johnson gets 67 or above, considering he lost his 3 best players in the summer, its a minor mircale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Skin Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 I don't know. Just like you. Let's see and then judge how well we have done. At the.moment we are in the mix for the play-off, albeit on a poor in of games. Not the best football I've seen, but the season is still alive so that's good enough for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturny Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 I think even if we did, as lame as it sounds, this season would be a success due to our loss of key players. At the start of the season I predicted much worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 It looked like being a season of transition after selling those three great players in the summer. An upper mid table finish would be a decent outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 28 minutes ago, Riaz said: If Johnson gets 67 or above, considering he lost his 3 best players in the summer, its a minor mircale. Don’t necessarily agree, he had a decent Summer Window recruitment wise, plus then added Kalas and Dasilva to that before the window ended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsince1994 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 51 minutes ago, headhunter said: For me it's a no. 0-0-3-1-0-3-0-1-0-1 = 9 + 55 = 64 With that we'll probably slip a place or two compared with last year. We'd have accumulated a paltry 11 points from a possible 45. That's 1/3 season in relegation form!!! Streaky Johnson - not the progress SL is hoping for but we are a sustainable club. You do know those games haven't happened yet right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted March 29, 2019 Admin Share Posted March 29, 2019 34 minutes ago, Riaz said: If Johnson gets 67 or above, considering he lost his 3 best players in the summer, its a minor mircale. 6 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Don’t necessarily agree, he had a decent Summer Window recruitment wise, plus then added Kalas and Dasilva to that before the window ended. Agree with both, lost what was last season our best three players, but apart from Reid's goals tally have been replaced with sufficient quality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Don’t necessarily agree, he had a decent Summer Window recruitment wise, plus then added Kalas and Dasilva to that before the window ended. Surely he should get credit for that then? He spent about half the transfer money when he lost 3 quality players. I'd like to see other managers manage to potentially improve a team after that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, Riaz said: Surely he should get credit for that then? He spent about half the transfer money when he lost 3 quality players. I'd like to see other managers manage to potentially improve a team after that Swings and roundabouts. You could argue that in 17/18, recording the worst ever losses in City’s history, he wasted loads, and under-achieved last season. That is why I tend not to draw my conclusions of “season on season improvement” purely on league placing or points tally. LJ’s remit is wider than that, and judgement of his performance / improvement includes financial performance, youth development, etc, etc. Nor do I see £25m in versus £10m out as black and white as others do. Having said all that, As it stands I do think LJ has improved us this season, across a number of different areas. Whether we get 67 points or more, or less, isn’t my overall determining factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrongagain Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 We can do it! Everyone keeps mentioning the players we lost, but in all honesty Bobby is the only player that is actually missed. LJ will have to properly use the best players available and select on current form rather than hoping his favourites will come good. Added to that, the bench has to be better used, subs made when needed, not once the game has gone! I hope we won’t see coaches arguing over subs again - if the coaches can’t work together there’s no hope for the team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogkev Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 1 hour ago, headhunter said: For me it's a no. 0-0-3-1-0-3-0-1-0-1 = 9 + 55 = 64 With that we'll probably slip a place or two compared with last year. We'd have accumulated a paltry 11 points from a possible 45. That's 1/3 season in relegation form!!! Streaky Johnson - not the progress SL is hoping for but we are a sustainable club. Far too negative for my liking. You think we will pick up just another 9 points? Nah, we'll win at least 4 and grab a draw in there. Another 13 points at least for me, we'll be on 68 or more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted March 29, 2019 Author Share Posted March 29, 2019 It would appear I'm being lambasted by happy clappers! What, based on the last 5 games, is there to suggest we're going to make a return to form. I was giving my prediction. No one has come back and said we're going to do better than that. This "losing 3 best players" is a limp excuse to shield LJ from criticism. The loss of Flint's goals has been replaced by a better footballer [Webster] and a more solid defence [plus Kalas] and De Silva or [when he feels like it] Kelly are, at the very leas,t equal to Bryan who didn't play well after the cup run whilst Bobby Reid might be considered a one season wonder that we sold on when we had the chance. Not replacing him adequately was the big problem. I've said many times before on here, we're buying 6 £1m players when 3 @ £2M is a better option IMHO [same wage cost]. £1M: Watkins, Walsh, Eisa, Adelukan, Pisano, Paterson, O'Dowda [5 good games in 3 seasons], Eliasson, Taylor-Moore, Taylor [£300k]. Baker - fallen out with LJ? Weimann - waste of money, runs around with no end product [the views of Derby & Villa fans I know] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myol'man Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 Next season is the big test for LJ. Anything else that happens this season is just a bonus. Enjoy the ride! 0-1-3-1-1-3-0-3-3-0 =15 + 55 = 70 is my shout finish 8th or 9th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 13 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Swings and roundabouts. You could argue that in 17/18, recording the worst ever losses in City’s history, he wasted loads, and under-achieved last season. That is why I tend not to draw my conclusions of “season on season improvement” purely on league placing or points tally. LJ’s remit is wider than that, and judgement of his performance / improvement includes financial performance, youth development, etc, etc. Nor do I see £25m in versus £10m out as black and white as others do. Having said all that, As it stands I do think LJ has improved us this season, across a number of different areas. Whether we get 67 points or more, or less, isn’t my overall determining factor. Think city fans need a reality check. With our finances compared to alot of other clubs in the division. We are doing extremely well to be up there most of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 8 minutes ago, headhunter said: It would appear I'm being lambasted by happy clappers! What, based on the last 5 games, is there to suggest we're going to make a return to form. I was giving my prediction. No one has come back and said we're going to do better than that. This "losing 3 best players" is a limp excuse to shield LJ from criticism. The loss of Flint's goals has been replaced by a better footballer [Webster] and a more solid defence [plus Kalas] and De Silva or [when he feels like it] Kelly are, at the very leas,t equal to Bryan who didn't play well after the cup run whilst Bobby Reid might be considered a one season wonder that we sold on when we had the chance. Not replacing him adequately was the big problem. I've said many times before on here, we're buying 6 £1m players when 3 @ £2M is a better option IMHO [same wage cost]. £1M: Watkins, Walsh, Eisa, Adelukan, Pisano, Paterson, O'Dowda [5 good games in 3 seasons], Eliasson, Taylor-Moore, Taylor [£300k]. Baker - fallen out with LJ? Weimann - waste of money, runs around with no end product [the views of Derby & Villa fans I know] limp excuse? how do you think other clubs, who dont have parachute payments, cope with losing their best 3 players??? You minimilise his acheievements and then go way over-board with your criticism! If he's so terrible in the transfer maket as you have alluded too, how have we managed to replace the quality with half the transfer money recieved?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted March 29, 2019 Author Share Posted March 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, Riaz said: limp excuse? how do you think other clubs, who dont have parachute payments, cope with losing their best 3 players??? Y Why are Preston and Sheffield United doing so well? No parachute payments there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1bristolcity Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 1 hour ago, headhunter said: For me it's a no. 0-0-3-1-0-3-0-1-0-1 = 9 + 55 = 64 With that we'll probably slip a place or two compared with last year. We'd have accumulated a paltry 11 points from a possible 45. That's 1/3 season in relegation form!!! Streaky Johnson - not the progress SL is hoping for but we are a sustainable club. Of course your predictions could be a load of old hogwash, but you have gone on to say that this guesswork will be relegation form and then another Johnson out jibe....(Streaky Johnson) and yet these games have not even been played ...''not the progress not sustainable blah blah blah....'' you clearly are made of Candy Floss. These last 10 games are no real pressure, we can actually perhaps play the right sort of football, that is what Johnson said, but you prefer to take this sorry view... Just give up, clearly BCFC is not for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 City being City how many of us would be that surprised if we suddenly sparked back into life and finished the season strongly, with our past form you wouldn't put it past them, I for one think we are in for a pleasant surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1bristolcity Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 18 minutes ago, headhunter said: It would appear I'm being lambasted by happy clappers! No just lambasted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, headhunter said: Why are Preston and Sheffield United doing so well? No parachute payments there! Preston are only above us because they have played more games..... yes sheffield united are doing very well.... But we are one of the best teams in the division who arent receiving parachute payments - there are many below us, including clubs like stoke & swansea! who are recieiving them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol is red Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, headhunter said: It would appear I'm being lambasted by happy clappers! What, based on the last 5 games, is there to suggest we're going to make a return to form. I was giving my prediction. No one has come back and said we're going to do better than that. This "losing 3 best players" is a limp excuse to shield LJ from criticism. The loss of Flint's goals has been replaced by a better footballer [Webster] and a more solid defence [plus Kalas] and De Silva or [when he feels like it] Kelly are, at the very leas,t equal to Bryan who didn't play well after the cup run whilst Bobby Reid might be considered a one season wonder that we sold on when we had the chance. Not replacing him adequately was the big problem. I've said many times before on here, we're buying 6 £1m players when 3 @ £2M is a better option IMHO [same wage cost]. £1M: Watkins, Walsh, Eisa, Adelukan, Pisano, Paterson, O'Dowda [5 good games in 3 seasons], Eliasson, Taylor-Moore, Taylor [£300k]. Baker - fallen out with LJ? Weimann - waste of money, runs around with no end product [the views of Derby & Villa fans I know] I'll disagree with the first bit, our form sees us rock bottom of the form table however with the international break it's allowed us to regroup and take stock of recent games. It may just be what we needed to find our mojo again, lets not write ourselves off just yet. Lets see how the next few games go. I do agree with you about this 'lost three best players' business being way over used and over blown. I'd imagine Kalas's wages makes him our highest earner, doubt Dasilva was cheap either. Webster has some add ons too (fees). People forget, yes me may not have spent a huge amount compared to money from player sales but I'm willing to bet we've spent quite a bit more on wages, particularly on three player who aren't even ours. This is where he's been backed! He's had plenty to replace players adequately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elhombrecito Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 1 hour ago, headhunter said: We'd have accumulated a paltry 11 points from a possible 45. That's 1/3 season in relegation form!!! Streaky Johnson - not the progress SL is hoping for but we are a sustainable club. So, you're criticising Johnson for the form that you think might possibly happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 1 hour ago, headhunter said: For me it's a no. 0-0-3-1-0-3-0-1-0-1 = 9 + 55 = 64 With that we'll probably slip a place or two compared with last year. We'd have accumulated a paltry 11 points from a possible 45. That's 1/3 season in relegation form!!! Streaky Johnson - not the progress SL is hoping for but we are a sustainable club. Why not add up the points accumulated during the unbeaten run? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted March 29, 2019 Author Share Posted March 29, 2019 8 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said: Just give up, clearly BCFC is not for you. After 52 years it's the hope that kills! We've had 3 seasons in a row where in part they've had me thinking maybe, just maybe we might get into the Premier League. Bournemouth, Burnley, Watford - I keep asking myself why them not us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted March 29, 2019 Author Share Posted March 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, Robbored said: Why not add up the points accumulated during the unbeaten run? 3 minutes ago, Robbored said: Why not add up the points accumulated during the unbeaten run? Just as well we got them as that run came on the back of 4 straight losses and a bang average start to the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, headhunter said: Just as well we got them as that run came on the back of 4 straight losses and a bang average start to the season. Try looking at the season overall............ Most Championship clubs will go through runs of varying form. It’s very difficult to perform at top level in every game and when clubs hit a run of poor results is often difficult to get out of it. Im pretty happy with the way things have gone so far but for some unfathomable reason you prefer to take a negative view........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsince1994 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 11 minutes ago, headhunter said: Just as well we got them as that run came on the back of 4 straight losses and a bang average start to the season. .... yes that is how a season works, you do tend to play more than 4 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 20 minutes ago, Riaz said: Think city fans need a reality check. With our finances compared to alot of other clubs in the division. We are doing extremely well to be up there most of the season. We are doing well....we are right in the mix of the play-offs with 10 games to go, and in our own hands. But, let’s not kid ourselves that we are one of the bottom 6 spenders anymore, like we were when we first came up. Our wage bill has increased significantly. We are now in a group of clubs spending mid-Table to top half. Of course well below those clubs with parachute payments. That brings an expectation, especially from SL. You need to compare ourselves (imho) with Sheffield Utd, Brentford, Preston, Birmingham (If you remove Redknapp’s madness), Leeds (yes, their wage bill is around the same as ours albeit much higher income), QPR and Ipswich. That’s a group of 8 clubs including us, 7 if you want to exclude Leeds. Sheffield Utd the superstars as we stand, but us, Brentford, Preston and Brum (ignoring points deduction) all much of a muchness. You could add Huddersfield to this too! So I would say we are about where we should be, Ipswich hugely under-achieving but not financially risking their future. It is too easy to think back to where we have come from over the past 2/3 seasons ago and still think we are little Bristol City and therefore think we are “punching”. We have grown very quickly, partly through SL’s backing, and our thinking should build this in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angmering Red Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 23 minutes ago, headhunter said: Just as well we got them as that run came on the back of 4 straight losses and a bang average start to the season. Exactly, most sensible thing you have said.....the run of wins came after a poor start and successive defeats, also as you said previously, Streaky Johnson, so after our current poor run, why couldn't the same improvement happen again ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted March 29, 2019 Author Share Posted March 29, 2019 10 minutes ago, Angmering Red said: why couldn't the same improvement happen again ? It might and I'd love us to get the 2 points per game that would probably see us get 6th. I can't see it though and I think the players are already on the beach [most have been of late]. So, so wish my cynicism proves to be unfounded!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 7 minutes ago, headhunter said: It might and I'd love us to get the 2 points per game that would probably see us get 6th. I can't see it though and I think the players are already on the beach [most have been of late]. So, so wish my cynicism proves to be unfounded!!! You’re coming across as a glass half empty character........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 1 hour ago, phantom said: Agree with both, lost what was last season our best three players, but apart from Reid's goals tally have been replaced with sufficient quality On the relative cheap. We bought in more than £20m for those three players. A top 10 finish would be a good season in terms of our spending (also factoring into account our wages are nowhere near play-offs), anything more than that is a bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1bristolcity Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 17 minutes ago, headhunter said: It might and I'd love us to get the 2 points per game that would probably see us get 6th. I can't see it though and I think the players are already on the beach [most have been of late]. So, so wish my cynicism proves to be unfounded!!! Personally I don't think we will do it...we can however as our winning run proved, but your reasoning is way too damning of the club, and to say we are 'on the beach' and 'have been of late' is grossly unfair to the players and the coaching team, I cannot imagine any player in the squad having that mentality, we are still well placed with games in hand, by getting just four points or three from those we would be in the play off's. Still all to play for, actually for once I am not fearful, but just going to try and enjoy the run in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkshire Red Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 2 hours ago, headhunter said: For me it's a no. 0-0-3-1-0-3-0-1-0-1 = 9 + 55 = 64 With that we'll probably slip a place or two compared with last year. We'd have accumulated a paltry 11 points from a possible 45. That's 1/3 season in relegation form!!! Streaky Johnson - not the progress SL is hoping for but we are a sustainable club. You're criticising our club for going backwards based on your predicted pessimistic outcome? I do think Johnson is a bit to inconsistent yeah, but you're criticising him based on the outcome of the season that is currently only in your head at this moment in time? Should the above outcome happen then yeah maybe your point is valid that this is inconsistent and not progress, however give the bloke a chance! A championship season is not based on last few games its based on a whole season. Throughout the course of the season, including good spells and bad spells we are averaging 1.52 points a game, we are 2 points off the play offs with 2 games in hand over the majority of the teams around us, and while we may have dropped points in games we really shouldn't have, we equally have gained points in games we probably wouldn't have expected to. Based on the average form for the season we are predicted to finish the season with 70 points and in 6th position. Last season we finished the season with 67 points but in 11th position 8 points off the playoffs. This is a small improvement in the overall points performance of the team. However, it is worth noting if you average the performance of the teams around us then you get the following: Villa: Played 38, Points 57 - Predicted point 69 based on average Preston: Played 38, Points 57 - Predicted point 69 based on average Derby: Played 37, Points 56 - Predicted point 70 based on average City: Played 36, Points 55 - Predicted point 70 based on average Sheff Wed: Played 38, Points 55 - Predicted point 67 based on average Forest: Played 38, Points 54 - Predicted point 65 based on average Hull: Played 38, Points 51 - Predicted point 62 based on average Brentford: Played 38, Points 49 - Predicted point 60 based on average Which concludes we are currently performing as the 6th best club in the league this season, which is an improvement on last season - and there is more to success than simply a points total! This also doesn't even factor into the equation that we sold our 3 most instrumental players from last season. Johnson deserves credit for continuing our success from last season, currently improving on last season performance while making a large profit for the club and paving the way for future young players without blowing our budget to achieve this. We may not be playing as exciting football, but purely in respect to the results and league positions we are out performing our squad of last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 2 hours ago, headhunter said: It would appear I'm being lambasted by happy clappers! What, based on the last 5 games, is there to suggest we're going to make a return to form. I was giving my prediction. No one has come back and said we're going to do better than that. This "losing 3 best players" is a limp excuse to shield LJ from criticism. The loss of Flint's goals has been replaced by a better footballer [Webster] and a more solid defence [plus Kalas] and De Silva or [when he feels like it] Kelly are, at the very leas,t equal to Bryan who didn't play well after the cup run whilst Bobby Reid might be considered a one season wonder that we sold on when we had the chance. Not replacing him adequately was the big problem. I've said many times before on here, we're buying 6 £1m players when 3 @ £2M is a better option IMHO [same wage cost]. £1M: Watkins, Walsh, Eisa, Adelukan, Pisano, Paterson, O'Dowda [5 good games in 3 seasons], Eliasson, Taylor-Moore, Taylor [£300k]. Baker - fallen out with LJ? Weimann - waste of money, runs around with no end product [the views of Derby & Villa fans I know] No, you're being lambasted by people who don't fall apart and state that we are doomed as soon as we lose a few games... What evidence was there based off of the 9 game winning run that you seem to have forgotten before the last 5 games to suggest we wouldn't do so well in the next 5? Not much I'd argue. I reckon we will do better than 9 points from our last run of fixtures as our form this season has shown that to be the case. If any team loses their best three players in one window it's going to be a struggle, the fact we've replaced them with better (on the whole) is surely a positive, even to you? (And its Dasilva, not De Silva...) If we sold all of those players you've listed there now, we'd make a profit on all bar two, that's surely a good sign of LJ's business again? If you're going to make a point at least try and look at it from the other side, instead of having a go at people who aren't all doom and gloom for being 'happy clappers' (whatever that actually means...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishRed Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 3 hours ago, Riaz said: Think city fans need a reality check. With our finances compared to alot of other clubs in the division. We are doing extremely well to be up there most of the season. Sheffield Utd Preston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 I don't think we'll do as well as last year points wise. And we'll finish 13th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishRed Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 2 hours ago, Robin1988 said: On the relative cheap. We bought in more than £20m for those three players. A top 10 finish would be a good season in terms of our spending (also factoring into account our wages are nowhere near play-offs), anything more than that is a bonus. Our wage bill is higher than Sheffield United Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 3 hours ago, redsince1994 said: You do know those games haven't happened yet right? Not for you they haven’t but Headhunter has just got back from the future and is not a happy bunny . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 14 minutes ago, ScottishRed said: Sheffield Utd Preston Nottingham forest Stoke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturny Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 17 minutes ago, ScottishRed said: Sheffield Utd Preston We also pay more in wages than Leeds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 5 hours ago, headhunter said: For me it's a no. 0-0-3-1-0-3-0-1-0-1 = 9 + 55 = 64 With that we'll probably slip a place or two compared with last year. We'd have accumulated a paltry 11 points from a possible 45. That's 1/3 season in relegation form!!! Streaky Johnson - not the progress SL is hoping for but we are a sustainable club. I can’t beleive next season 0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0 = zero points from 46 games and relegation. Back in league one again. Johnson HAS to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturny Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 6 minutes ago, RedDave said: I can’t beleive next season 0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0 = zero points from 46 games and relegation. Back in league one again. Johnson HAS to go. That's actually 47 games RedDave......... I feel like you're not taking this seriously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 32 minutes ago, ScottishRed said: Our wage bill is higher than Sheffield United Then again tho, probably half of villa's :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 35 minutes ago, ScottishRed said: Sheffield Utd Preston two teams, one of which we have games in hand over. How many clubs are we doing better than? the answer is over half the division. We are right up there when you compare us to all the smaller (financially) clubs in the division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 9 minutes ago, Sturny said: That's actually 47 games RedDave......... I feel like you're not taking this seriously Thats even worse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkshire Red Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 12 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said: I don't think we'll do as well as last year points wise. And we'll finish 13th. It's almost impossible that we finish this low. The worst average we have had for any 10 game spell this is 0.8 points per game which included a 4 game losing streak (Game 8 to Game 17 or Game 9 to 18) We are not playing that bad and are still picking up points at the moment. If we equal our worst form of the whole season and pick up just 8 points (which could include losing as many as 6 of our 10 remaining games) from the remaining fixtures we will still finish with 63 points which will place us above 13th (based on season averages we would still finish top half). This is assuming every team currently placed in the top half equal or better their average points tally thus far this season. Earlier in the season we went on a 4 games losing streak including loses to struggling Reading (22nd at the time) and Preston (21st at the time) and yet we then went on to draw with Norwich, Derby and beat Birmingham in the following 5 games. Teams lose to teams they shouldn't and then get results against teams they don't expect to which is the joy of the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 23 minutes ago, JBFC II said: Nottingham forest Stoke Swansea also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxy27 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 13 minutes ago, RedDave said: I can’t beleive next season 0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0 = zero points from 46 games and relegation. Back in league one again. Johnson HAS to go. We lost all our games, but everyone else failed FFP so we got promoted, top of the league and Johnson got the England job for Euro 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkshire Red Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 1 hour ago, JBFC II said: No, you're being lambasted by people who don't fall apart and state that we are doomed as soon as we lose a few games... What evidence was there based off of the 9 game winning run that you seem to have forgotten before the last 5 games to suggest we wouldn't do so well in the next 5? Not much I'd argue. I reckon we will do better than 9 points from our last run of fixtures as our form this season has shown that to be the case. If any team loses their best three players in one window it's going to be a struggle, the fact we've replaced them with better (on the whole) is surely a positive, even to you? (And its Dasilva, not De Silva...) If we sold all of those players you've listed there now, we'd make a profit on all bar two, that's surely a good sign of LJ's business again? If you're going to make a point at least try and look at it from the other side, instead of having a go at people who aren't all doom and gloom for being 'happy clappers' (whatever that actually means...) Based on points averaging across the season (which is worth mentioning included a previous 4 game losing streak in which we lost to 22nd and 21st placed position teams at the time and people were calling for Johnsons head) we are the 6th best performing team over the course of the season. I completely agree with what you're saying. The championship is a league in which anyone can beat anyone on their day, I fully expect us to lose a few and win a few of our remaining 10 games, as will the teams around us. People just need to enjoy the excitement that comes with being in with a chance of scrapping a play-off spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkshire Red Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 13 minutes ago, RedDave said: Thats even worse! This included our first round exit of the league cup to Wycombe (A) Guess we still have the uncertainty of the FA Cup?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 I'd say no... However bear in mind that we can counter in our away games vs the 'bigger' sides- to varying degrees tomorrow, Sheffield Wednesday, though they are outsiders now Hull and definitely at Middlesbrough- that one I would have hope for because they themselves are a reactive side and countering on a reactive side is useful. May need a change of mindset and shape from LJ to seize any chance that may come our way in this last 10- and maybe 2 changes of shape i.e. one v lesser sides we can look to dominant and one to capitalise vs 'favourites' who will be coming at us. WBA again though it's at home, we can counter on a bit- and as they themselves have become a bit less proactive after Moore sacked, this can help us a bit. Derby, well we should attack them- at home, last game- fact they can be weak on the road. My instinct says no but we have a chance- were we to beat Reading and Wigan we would be almost halfway to the 13 points needed for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 5 hours ago, Riaz said: If Johnson gets 67 or above, considering he lost his 3 best players in the summer, its a minor mircale. Upgrade in Webster for Flint !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, shelts said: Upgrade in Webster for Flint !! Again, something that LJ deserves credit for, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, Riaz said: Again, something that LJ deserves credit for, no? Yes obviously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, shelts said: Upgrade in Webster for Flint !! Different players . Webster is a refined, dribbling , ball playing centre back with a super pass on him but he doesn’t have Flint’s warrior like agression or goal scoring prowess. Flinty could really wind the team up to perform better during a match . We may just have missed this a little during our recent tepid spell. I wouldn’t take AF over AW now though . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturny Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: Different players . Webster is a refined, dribbling , ball playing centre back with a super pass on him but he doesn’t have Flint’s warrior like agression or goal scoring prowess. Flinty could really wind the team up to perform better during a match . We may just have missed this a little during our recent tepid spell. I wouldn’t take AF over AW now though . Imagine webster flint kalas as a back 3 no wing backs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashton_fan Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 6 hours ago, headhunter said: For me it's a no. 0-0-3-1-0-3-0-1-0-1 = 9 + 55 = 64 With that we'll probably slip a place or two compared with last year. We'd have accumulated a paltry 11 points from a possible 45. That's 1/3 season in relegation form!!! Streaky Johnson - not the progress SL is hoping for but we are a sustainable club. So you're criticising LJ for losses in games we haven't even played yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 1 hour ago, RedDave said: I can’t beleive next season 0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0 = zero points from 46 games and relegation. Back in league one again. Johnson HAS to go. It really will test Lansdown's resolve but LJ will hang on to his job by the skin of his teeth, then from nowhere regain form right up until we face Wolves in the cup... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 3 hours ago, City18 said: It's almost impossible that we finish this low. The worst average we have had for any 10 game spell this is 0.8 points per game which included a 4 game losing streak (Game 8 to Game 17 or Game 9 to 18) We are not playing that bad and are still picking up points at the moment. If we equal our worst form of the whole season and pick up just 8 points (which could include losing as many as 6 of our 10 remaining games) from the remaining fixtures we will still finish with 63 points which will place us above 13th (based on season averages we would still finish top half). This is assuming every team currently placed in the top half equal or better their average points tally thus far this season. Earlier in the season we went on a 4 games losing streak including loses to struggling Reading (22nd at the time) and Preston (21st at the time) and yet we then went on to draw with Norwich, Derby and beat Birmingham in the following 5 games. Teams lose to teams they shouldn't and then get results against teams they don't expect to which is the joy of the Championship. I still believe we'll tail off from here. Our performances, for me, are far worse than the way others see it. I don't think we are getting the basics of the game right. We can't retain possession, can't make simple passes and recent matches suggest we haven't got the stomach for it. I hope we snatch a playoff place but I can see us getting no more than 5 or 6 points from here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 5 hours ago, ScottishRed said: Our wage bill is higher than Sheffield United Oh right. So because they're overachieving means we are having a bad season? Is that the logic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishRed Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 4 hours ago, Robin1988 said: Oh right. So because they're overachieving means we are having a bad season? Is that the logic? Not at all. I was simply pointing out again, that it is not all about money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 20 hours ago, Major Isewater said: Different players . Webster is a refined, dribbling , ball playing centre back with a super pass on him but he doesn’t have Flint’s warrior like agression or goal scoring prowess. Flinty could really wind the team up to perform better during a match . We may just have missed this a little during our recent tepid spell. I wouldn’t take AF over AW now though . Different players same position. What a centre half pairing we have . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 17 hours ago, CotswoldRed said: I still believe we'll tail off from here. Our performances, for me, are far worse than the way others see it. I don't think we are getting the basics of the game right. We can't retain possession, can't make simple passes and recent matches suggest we haven't got the stomach for it. I hope we snatch a playoff place but I can see us getting no more than 5 or 6 points from here. That imho is spot on. We have to hope that the international break has given the squad a chance to re-find their spark. Our players are only good when they are at “collective full-tilt”, where the sum of the parts make us better than the opposition. One player, or in recent weeks, three or four players, not “at-it” means we cannot play and compete. Today will be a barometer of the remaining 9 games. Tuesday will show whether the break has recharged batteries, and whether midweek “top-ups” can retain the charge. I would suggest LJ needs to find a way to subtlety rotate, and I think 352/532 might be the way to ensure he doesn’t over-burden the two in midfield by supplementing Pack and Brownhill with a third player. Korey Smith, if he can return with sharpness, could be the most important player, because I think LJ would trust leaving out either MP or JB, if Smith is there with say a Pato, O’Dowda or Walsh / Morrell in there too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murraysrightplum Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 On 29/03/2019 at 09:03, headhunter said: For me it's a no. 0-0-3-1-0-3-0-1-0-1 = 9 + 55 = 64 With that we'll probably slip a place or two compared with last year. We'd have accumulated a paltry 11 points from a possible 45. That's 1/3 season in relegation form!!! Streaky Johnson - not the progress SL is hoping for but we are a sustainable club. Love this - slagging off the manager based on results that haven’t even happened yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IdliketoRogerMoore Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 On 29/03/2019 at 16:00, Riaz said: Again, something that LJ deserves credit for, no? Cluck cluck chicken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murraysrightplum Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 This accumulator is now null and void Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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