Lanterne Rouge Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Aged 74. One of the old school hard men along with the likes of our Norman and Dave Mackay. We`ll never see their like again. RIP Mr Smith, you were a huge part of my early football experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 A proper tough guy footballer. Made Roy Keane look like Mary Poppins. Mind you a lot did !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 How long would players like Grealish last against someone like Tommy Smith? Mind you, how long would Tommy Smith stay on the pitch these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 RIP Tommy - a proper hard man, not the imitations like Vinny Jones, Keane (coward), and the like. Loved watching him and that Liverpool side. Sad news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calculus Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Literally bumped into him at a kids football match when I was living in Liverpool. Built like a brick outhouse, but a very good guy, and a very good footballer. Used to refer to Liverpool's graduate pair of Steve Heighway and Brian Hall as Big Bamber and Little Bamber. Proper legend and will be sadly missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC RISK77 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 59 minutes ago, bcfc01 said: RIP Tommy - a proper hard man, not the imitations like Vinny Jones, Keane (coward), and the like. Loved watching him and that Liverpool side. Sad news. Not disputing about tommy smith as too young to watch him...but how do you know Roy Keane is a coward? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Sure I remember reading that in later life he was virtually a cripple as his knees were shot to pieces as a result of continually playing with injections before games to deaden the pain from knee problems. Im sure he's not the only player from that era with similar problems. Luckily medical sports medicine and treatment has advanced since this days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 40 minutes ago, Calculus said: Literally bumped into him at a kids football match when I was living in Liverpool. Built like a brick outhouse, but a very good guy, and a very good footballer. Used to refer to Liverpool's graduate pair of Steve Heighway and Brian Hall as Big Bamber and Little Bamber. Proper legend and will be sadly missed. Bamber Gascoigne. Brian Hall has a degree was heard every Saturday on MOTD. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myol'man Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Sad news for those of us brought up on Match of the day in the 60s and 70s. Coincidentally, Holloway mentioned Tommy Smith in his column today. rip Tommy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red'tili'mdead Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Unfortunately he was truly 1970s old school... a horrible racist. Look up some of the quotes re Howard Gayle on his wiki.... truly dreadful “In 1988, Smith caused controversy after stating in an interview with the author Dave Hill that Howard Gayle "suffered from a black man's attitude towards the white man. See, everybody thinks whites have an attitude towards blacks. In reality it's blacks who have a problem with the whites... I used to call Howard the 'White *Racist Term Removed'. Now that is a compliment. It was the only way I could find to describe that I thought he was OK." Smith then went on to comment to Hill that "I'm not prejudiced but if a coon moved in next door, I'd move, like most white people would. If my daughter came home with a *Racist Term Removed, I'd go mad. But I'm only being truthful and normal."[36] Smith intended to sue Hill, but found he had no grounds to take legal action as Hill had recorded all of Smith's comments on tape during the interview.37] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 11 minutes ago, downendcity said: Sure I remember reading that in later life he was virtually a cripple as his knees were shot to pieces as a result of continually playing with injections before games to deaden the pain from knee problems. Im sure he's not the only player from that era with similar problems. Luckily medical sports medicine and treatment has advanced since this days. He took a penalty in a charity shootout before the 1996 Cup Final. A watching Everton fan shopped him and he ended up losing his disability benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, red'tili'mdead said: Unfortunately he was truly 1970s old school... a horrible racist. Look up some of the quotes re Howard Gayle on his wiki.... truly dreadful “In 1988, Smith caused controversy after stating in an interview with the author Dave Hill that Howard Gayle "suffered from a black man's attitude towards the white man. See, everybody thinks whites have an attitude towards blacks. In reality it's blacks who have a problem with the whites... I used to call Howard the 'White *Racist Term Removed'. Now that is a compliment. It was the only way I could find to describe that I thought he was OK." Smith then went on to comment to Hill that "I'm not prejudiced but if a coon moved in next door, I'd move, like most white people would. If my daughter came home with a *Racist Term Removed, I'd go mad. But I'm only being truthful and normal."[36] Smith intended to sue Hill, but found he had no grounds to take legal action as Hill had recorded all of Smith's comments on tape during the interview.37] Thats the 70's for you. Love thy neighbour and Alf Garnett and all that. Times have moved on. 50 years ago... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foghornred Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 One of Liverpool's greats who played through the glory years , a true legend ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 2 hours ago, red'tili'mdead said: Unfortunately he was truly 1970s old school... a horrible racist. Look up some of the quotes re Howard Gayle on his wiki.... truly dreadful “In 1988, Smith caused controversy after stating in an interview with the author Dave Hill that Howard Gayle "suffered from a black man's attitude towards the white man. See, everybody thinks whites have an attitude towards blacks. In reality it's blacks who have a problem with the whites... I used to call Howard the 'White *Racist Term Removed'. Now that is a compliment. It was the only way I could find to describe that I thought he was OK." Smith then went on to comment to Hill that "I'm not prejudiced but if a coon moved in next door, I'd move, like most white people would. If my daughter came home with a *Racist Term Removed, I'd go mad. But I'm only being truthful and normal."[36] Smith intended to sue Hill, but found he had no grounds to take legal action as Hill had recorded all of Smith's comments on tape during the interview.37] maybe not the time to bring this up, doubt he thought that way at the end of his life, it's just the way a lot of people were in the 70s, a lot of ignorance as most people never actually knew many black people personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weepywall Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 8 hours ago, red'tili'mdead said: Unfortunately he was truly 1970s old school... a horrible racist. Look up some of the quotes re Howard Gayle on his wiki.... truly dreadful “In 1988, Smith caused controversy after stating in an interview with the author Dave Hill that Howard Gayle "suffered from a black man's attitude towards the white man. See, everybody thinks whites have an attitude towards blacks. In reality it's blacks who have a problem with the whites... I used to call Howard the 'White *Racist Term Removed'. Now that is a compliment. It was the only way I could find to describe that I thought he was OK." Smith then went on to comment to Hill that "I'm not prejudiced but if a coon moved in next door, I'd move, like most white people would. If my daughter came home with a *Racist Term Removed, I'd go mad. But I'm only being truthful and normal."[36] Smith intended to sue Hill, but found he had no grounds to take legal action as Hill had recorded all of Smith's comments on tape during the interview.37] No need to show that at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swanker Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 8 hours ago, MC RISK77 said: Not disputing about tommy smith as too young to watch him...but how do you know Roy Keane is a coward? I don’t think Roy Keane was a coward. I do wonder about Vinny Jones though, always likes to portray himself as a hard man? “ Look at me I’m hard” What a pussy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redysteadygo Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 Recall this quote attributed to Smith something along the lines of, "I came off the pitch at half time with a badly swollen, bloody scarred leg. I didn't have a clue who's it was". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 Lot of ex players from the 80s say jimmy case was the hardest player at the top level they played with. Le tisser tells a story in his book whenever anyone kicked him he went ti jimmy case. One day stuart pearce kicked him, le tisser said hes just kicked me jim, jim said youre on your own today son! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 Went onto reddit this morning (no idea why, awful hive mentality on that website) to see people minutes after he died calling him a nazi and a white supremacist... Seems very distasteful given that he’s only just passed and also untrue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Eastside Moonwalker said: Went onto reddit this morning (no idea why, awful hive mentality on that website) to see people minutes after he died calling him a nazi and a white supremacist... Seems very distasteful given that he’s only just passed and also untrue Reddit is pretty ******* cancerous in fairness mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 Just now, ZiderEyed said: Reddit is pretty ******* cancerous in fairness mate. Agreed, only go on to check the football scores as the videos are usually posted there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 12 hours ago, pillred said: maybe not the time to bring this up, doubt he thought that way at the end of his life, it's just the way a lot of people were in the 70s, a lot of ignorance as most people never actually knew many black people personally. Well yes and no. But I think if his obituaries are simply focussing on him being a nice guy, there is a bit of balance to be had. He also was convicted of benefit fraud if I recall correctly. Anyway, condolences to his friends and family regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, steveybadger said: Well yes and no. But I think if his obituaries are simply focussing on him being a nice guy, there is a bit of balance to be had. He also was convicted of benefit fraud if I recall correctly. Anyway, condolences to his friends and family regardless. Obituaries tend to be like that, at the time people gloss over or choose to forget the more negative aspects of a persons character, not condoning doing that but that's just how it is, in death maybe people would rather choose to forgive and forget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted April 13, 2019 Author Share Posted April 13, 2019 More sad news. England`s oldest surviving international player, Ivor Broadis has died aged 96. Is there anyone on here that can recall him playing I wonder? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-47919657 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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