nebristolred Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 47 minutes ago, Wade Wilson said: As far as I’m aware that’s not how these pre-agreed loan deals work. The pre-agreed fee means a window of exclusivity as long as the loan is active a la Luka Jovic. Everyone and their dog wants him but since Frankfurt, like us, had a pre-agreed loan fee no one else could bid for him and so Frankfurt activated their £6m fee and will flip him. Pretty sure the same applies here, it’s all moot now anyway since he’s back at Chelsea and open season has started. I just have no idea if our deal stays initiated or if we have to bid again. I don't see what advantage that gives though. He can't move while the loan is activated anyway, and how does that help us, given barely any transfer deals are finalised by this part of the window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 Not all deals are the same, they can all have different terms. Ultimately it's the player's choice, neither club can do anything without it being what the player wants so these pre-agreed deals have no teeth unless the player has also signed a pre-contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Wilson Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, nebristolred said: I don't see what advantage that gives though. He can't move while the loan is activated anyway, and how does that help us, given barely any transfer deals are finalised by this part of the window. Well it gave us first dibs, we could’ve activated it and signed him at any point in the loan. He’s just waiting on a decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebristolred Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 13 minutes ago, Wade Wilson said: Well it gave us first dibs, we could’ve activated it and signed him at any point in the loan. He’s just waiting on a decision. First dibs until a point at which barely any transfers are completed. So essentially, not first dibs. I'm pretty convinced that's not how these pre-agreed fees work whatsoever, I'm sure there's nothing stopping other clubs bidding other amounts, but happy to be proven wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loosey Boy Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 If Kalas were to join, think JDS would follow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 12 hours ago, Loosey Boy said: If Kalas were to join, think JDS would follow And if he doesn’t ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted June 2, 2019 Report Share Posted June 2, 2019 QPfuckingR. Now that would be a big kick in the bollocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted June 2, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said: QPfuckingR. Now that would be a big kick in the bollocks If he wants to stay in London, yep. If he wants to further his football career, no. We should be looking at Bidwell if Jay goes there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted June 2, 2019 Report Share Posted June 2, 2019 On 31/05/2019 at 15:23, Wade Wilson said: God knows what happens if we don’t announce him today No problems, because there's always tomorrow and it's always a day away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted June 2, 2019 Report Share Posted June 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Red Army 75 said: QPfuckingR. Now that would be a big kick in the bollocks Aren't they still under an embargo? Surely, they would only come in to play if Chelsea decide to loan JDS out again next season rather than sell him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted June 3, 2019 Report Share Posted June 3, 2019 QPR story: QPR are looking to sign Jay Dasilva on loan from Chelsea, Football Insider reports. The England Under-21 international left-back spent last season on loan at Bristol City, who are keen to keep him. Football Insider say they have been told by a Chelsea source that other clubs, including QPR, want him on loan. https://www.westlondonsport.com/qpr/football-qpr-chelsea-jay-dasilva-bristol-city-020619 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 3, 2019 Report Share Posted June 3, 2019 Are we looking for him on a permanent or loan? if it's the latter, that surely puts us ahead of QPR...unless Chelsea still consider him a first team possibility in the years to come. Could always sell to us with a buy back option though if that's their thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coin-op Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 Aren't QPR under a transfer embargo? Unless Chelsea will consider a loan again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 On 27/05/2019 at 19:45, Major Isewater said: Why would he go to Blackburn ? There are 'four thousand holes there mind.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, Robert the bruce said: There are 'four thousand holes there mind.. Enough to fill the Albert hall ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Major Isewater said: Enough to fill the Albert hall ? Only when there's a northerly blowing.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Rich Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 If he does end up going somewhere else maybe we could do what Frankfurt just managed to do. (link) Signed him in April after a successful loan for £6.2m and just sold him to Real Madrid for in excess of £50m! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon uk Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 2 hours ago, BCFC Richard said: If he does end up going somewhere else maybe we could do what Frankfurt just managed to do. (link) Signed him in April after a successful loan for £6.2m and just sold him to Real Madrid for in excess of £50m! Thats the deal of the century for frankfurt! it seems to me that our agreement for jds doesnt include that sort of agreement to buy from chelsea or we would have done it by now... unless a) we didnt want him, or b) the agreed price is more than we are willing to pay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 6 minutes ago, simon uk said: it seems to me that our agreement for jds doesnt include that sort of agreement to buy from chelsea or we would have done it by now... unless a) we didnt want him, or b) the agreed price is more than we are willing to pay? We've triggered the clause for Jay, its £2m supposedly. Jay just wants to decide his future after the u21's championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon uk Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 10 minutes ago, hodge said: We've triggered the clause for Jay, its £2m supposedly. Jay just wants to decide his future after the u21's championship. Sounds reasonable, and its a good price,,, Clearly a good showing in that u21 tournament could get him a big move and signing for Bristol city before it isnt in his interests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The hand of RO'D Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 I've got a feeling JDS has already made his decision and sees where his future lies.... And that's with us. Imagine being is his position, you are about to play in an international tournament where you are representing your country and in that short period of preperation you also have to negotiate a contract, talk to Chelsea and think about relocating. Reading between the lines here it looks as if his mind is made up but quite simply he wants to focus on one thing at a time and that right now is England u21's. Once that's over he can relax, enjoy a holiday and finalise the contract. Makes perfect sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 8 minutes ago, The hand of RO'D said: I've got a feeling JDS has already made his decision and sees where his future lies.... And that's with us. Imagine being is his position, you are about to play in an international tournament where you are representing your country and in that short period of preperation you also have to negotiate a contract, talk to Chelsea and think about relocating. Reading between the lines here it looks as if his mind is made up but quite simply he wants to focus on one thing at a time and that right now is England u21's. Once that's over he can relax, enjoy a holiday and finalise the contract. Makes perfect sense to me. I feel he is trying to get a bigger move and we are the fall back option. Go to the tournament and have a good one maybe a prem club comes in and offers double what we do. Full back is a tough position to fill at any level so feel like he is playing the odds here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 Just a thought re Jay but with Charlton being promoted , could that throw a spanner in the works potentially ? Their fans loved him and I think he was their player of the season. Could a LOndon based Championship club where he was so successful be a more favourable choice for Jay ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobArnold10 Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, Baldyman said: Just a thought re Jay but with Charlton being promoted , could that throw a spanner in the works potentially ? Their fans loved him and I think he was their player of the season. Could a LOndon based Championship club where he was so successful be a more favourable choice for Jay ? They don’t have the money that’s being quoted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted June 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 The big draw of City is: knows the club, and where it is heading first choice LB is his, not even Kelly to worry about Everywhere else is probably a gamble, albeit “bigger” clubs will offer more money to him and Chelsea. I could see Chelsea trying to offer him on loan again to us....I think we might look elsewhere if so. At this point in time I do think we will get him though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Davefevs said: The big draw of City is: knows the club, and where it is heading first choice LB is his, not even Kelly to worry about Everywhere else is probably a gamble, albeit “bigger” clubs will offer more money to him and Chelsea. I could see Chelsea trying to offer him on loan again to us....I think we might look elsewhere if so. At this point in time I do think we will get him though. Salient points Dave but the cynic in me says that JD will go wherever he gets the most lucrative deal - that could well be City of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 8 hours ago, Davefevs said: The big draw of City is: knows the club, and where it is heading first choice LB is his, not even Kelly to worry about Everywhere else is probably a gamble, albeit “bigger” clubs will offer more money to him and Chelsea. I could see Chelsea trying to offer him on loan again to us....I think we might look elsewhere if so. At this point in time I do think we will get him though. Playing devils advocate here, your first bullet seems to assume that he was impressed with the club and where it was heading. For all we know he may have come away thinking, yeah not sure about City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The hand of RO'D Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 I always find it hard to understand how a player can come to a club like city and be impressed after being at a top 6 prem club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 12 minutes ago, The hand of RO'D said: I always find it hard to understand how a player can come to a club like city and be impressed after being at a top 6 prem club No point being on the outside looking in. A lot of young players at big clubs never end up playing for them. Clubs like Chelsea hoover all the talent up for the sake of only 1 or 2 making the first team. I would be hopeful JDS was very impressed by city. Enough so that he signs . Here’s hoping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 11 hours ago, JoeAman08 said: I feel he is trying to get a bigger move and we are the fall back option. Go to the tournament and have a good one maybe a prem club comes in and offers double what we do. Full back is a tough position to fill at any level so feel like he is playing the odds here. TBF he'd be daft to commit to us so early - who could blame him for waiting to see what other offers come his way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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