Mo Eisa signed for Peterborough (Merged)

[Port Said Red]

12 minutes ago, Redmycolour said:

Charlton want Taylor,as reported midweek, £650k

Barnsley too, let the bidding war commence

[big dosser]

good deal but would have loved ivan toney to come to us,seems like posh love him and it would take a massive bid

[Redrascal2]

Just had a look on the Posh website to see what they are saying about Mo and noticed they have made 5 signings already. Know who they want and get it done same as Cotterill  did. 

[RedM]

1 hour ago, Fordy62 said:

I’m not sure we’d all be so worried if he had signed for a L1 club other than Posh. That’s the problematic part.

 

Exactly. My first thoughts were great we got our money back, thought we paid a million for him too. And we would be paying a wage for a season too, so not a huge profit but not a loss which I expected.

Then I thought, hang on, weren’t Posh trying to sign him when we did? They got a great record of spotting talent as you suggest, so what do they see that we didn’t/couldn’t? No doubt in 12 months time they will be selling him to Bournemouth for £10m or something. 

Mixed feelings about this one. Personally I would have bought him and loaned him to Posh last season, and then see where we were.

[Johnny Musicworks]

24 minutes ago, 29AR said:

Given his signing on fee, agents fee and wages, employment costs etc, I expect there is a loss unless we get a sell on fee. 

You may be grasping at straws there I think. Is it so hard to accept that our club has just done a decent bit of business.and just say well done ?

We can all find times where we have made a loss but our transfer trading over the last 12 months has been absolutely outstanding. Mark Ashton and Lee Johnson should take due credit whether it’s selling players on that they brought in  to the club or improving the value of players brought in before their tenure. 

[Redrascal2]

3 hours ago, Dredd said:

Better to recoup most of the money given the chance now than lose even more by not playing the kid ala Engvall. LJ said we are looking for Premier League ready footballers, I guess he didn’t see that in him. Probably best for all parties. Good luck to him. 

He didn't play.

[downendcity]

1 hour ago, Port Said Red said:

OK let’s discuss it. If you are going to operate a  moneyball type of recruitment system it is likely to be hit and miss. People who say that we could have taken all the money paid for the “failures” and spent it on 1 or 2 quality players are missing out some of the facts. 

Those players come with signing on fees, high wages and have to be persuaded to sign for us, rather than multiple big teams vying for their signature. They are likely to be more established and be at the top of their value on signing.

The players in the moneyball market are going to be hoping we will be a stepping stone to better things, unlikely to command top money and as with Eisa, be more likely to make us some money even if they move on.

Of course there will be Engvalls, but there are failures in the other market as well, we could have been saddled with Ross McCormack for example.

The problem generally is that in both markets you are dealing with human beings, not robots so there are huge variables in the process.

 

I thought that talking sense was forbidden on OTIB!

[bcfc01]

3 minutes ago, Redrascal2 said:

He didn't play.

He obviously didn't train well enough either.

[Red Ferret]

Ffs, just got his name tattooed on my back 

[CyderInACan]

1 hour ago, Up The City! said:

Thought I was watching a Mark Ashton interview then.

Talks like Mark Ashton but sounds like Mark Kelly. We must be franchising it out. 

[Guest]

35 minutes ago, Johnny Musicworks said:

You may be grasping at straws there I think. Is it so hard to accept that our club has just done a decent bit of business.and just say well done ?

We can all find times where we have made a loss but our transfer trading over the last 12 months has been absolutely outstanding. Mark Ashton and Lee Johnson should take due credit whether it’s selling players on that they brought in  to the club or improving the value of players brought in before their tenure. 

Ummm yeah.

They took a punt on a player, thought he wouldn’t make it and have done a very good job of minimising the loss. I’m not going go la la land and think they’ve profited; that seems very unlikely. But we took a punt and offloaded with a minimal loss. I don’t expect every punt to work out, that’s pie in the sky, but this could have gone the way of Engval, and we will have more that go the way of Engval - that’s normal, and I don’t even say he was bad business; you have to speculate to accumulate. 

[Chairman Mao]

3 hours ago, old_eastender said:

Hope Weimann is warming the bench most of the time, for all his running he ain't nowhere near being a "real top striker", never has been or will be.  

I know it's sunny but keep of the Source when posting would you? Anyone with a brain would rate Wiemann. 

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, billywedlock said:

Kodja too  on the inherited cash cow list . Tomlin we certainly did not break even on, and someone been massaging the numbers if Eisa is 500k profit. Not a hope, but good damage limitation. 

Tomlin is a strange one.  Originally thought fee was around £2.5m to £3.0m, and then Cardiff paid anywhere between £1.9m (Warnock’s claim) and £2.9m.  None of us know.  I reckon that (as he had 2 years left of a 3 year contract) that we recouped the amount of value left on his contract.  We probably did lose a few quid in terms of net, but probably break even for FFP....and the intangible profit of getting a royal pain in the arse out of the club and off our wage bill 

[old_eastender]

12 minutes ago, Chairman Mao said:

I know it's sunny but keep of the Source when posting would you? Anyone with a brain would rate Wiemann. 

HaHa, it's a matter of opinion. FACTS are last season he managed to score 10, and that was the first time he had got to double figures in a season. Yes he runs his socks off, his movement is good, but his shooting from anywhere outside the 6 yard box is woeful and when carrying the ball on the run his final pass is often poor too. 

We simply need a forward with a better strike rate than that if we are going to try and improve again.

[Johnny Musicworks]

Well according to the Posh Chairman  ‘other clubs’ were in for Mo “big time’ so if we’ve managed as you say to make a loss on a player in such high demand 29AR then all I can say is wow. Cancel the Champagne ‘Ashton out’!

8 days of hard negotiations to make a loss. You just wouldn’t believe it !

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, 29AR said:

Given his signing on fee, agents fee and wages, employment costs etc, I expect there is a loss unless we get a sell on fee. 

But you just have to accept you’re gonna have to pay wages (unless you’re Bolton!).  If you wanna factor that in, then perhaps you need to split the club’s income across each player too?

1 hour ago, Redrascal2 said:

Just had a look on the Posh website to see what they are saying about Mo and noticed they have made 5 signings already. Know who they want and get it done same as Cotterill  did. 

Beevers and Butler (heh heh sounds like a US cartoon) are astute signings, and i sense this might be their season to get back up to the Champ.  Just backed them e/w at 12/1.

[bcfc01]

2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

But you just have to accept you’re gonna have to pay wages (unless you’re Bolton!).  If you wanna factor that in, then perhaps you need to split the club’s income across each player too?

Beevers and Butler (heh heh sounds like a US cartoon) are astute signings, and i sense this might be their season to get back up to the Champ.  Just backed them e/w at 12/1.

Not a bad shout that.

I'm going to put a few quid on.

[Bazooka Joe]

We invested in an Eisa and got Mo money back than we put in.

 

[Andy082005]

4 hours ago, Red Army 75 said:

Signed for Peterborough for 7 figure sum . 

 

Thanks for the memories Mo....

[Guest]

21 minutes ago, Johnny Musicworks said:

Well according to the Posh Chairman  ‘other clubs’ were in for Mo “big time’ so if we’ve managed as you say to make a loss on a player in such high demand 29AR then all I can say is wow. Cancel the Champagne ‘Ashton out’!

8 days of hard negotiations to make a loss. You just wouldn’t believe it !

Absolutely not, seven figures for someone who’s played 6 games in 12 months; get a Jeroboam. 

[Natchfever]

2 hours ago, Loon plage said:

Whats that £10,000.15 ?

This stinks.

 

Why the baffled look. This and Engval might bite us on the ass.

[Natchfever]

2 hours ago, bcfc01 said:

Why ?

Peterborough record fee was 1.25m and their chairman say they've broken that record.

City paid 800k for Eisa with another 200k due in the summer (not sure if that is now payable).

500k profit is quite believable imo.

You reckon Posh paid that? Buy a timeshare from Darren

[JBFC II]

10 minutes ago, Loon plage said:

Why the baffled look. This and Engval might bite us on the ass.

Why would a transfer where we lost no money (maybe even making a profit) bite us on the ass?

Also the 1 million lost on engvall, whilst not being good business, is hardly going to ruin the club...

[chinapig]

11 minutes ago, Loon plage said:

You reckon Posh paid that? Buy a timeshare from Darren

And your evidence to the contrary is ... ?

[JBFC II]

Just now, chinapig said:

And your evidence to the contrary is ... ?

He doesn’t have any, he doesn’t like giving the club any praise whatsoever...

[simon uk]

1 hour ago, Chairman Mao said:

I know it's sunny but keep of the Source when posting would you? Anyone with a brain would rate Wiemann. 

Wiemann is a good championship striker, and worthy of a place in our squad, but he isnt a real top championship striker in my book,,, derby wouldnt have sold him to us for 1.8 if he was assombalonga.

[Robbored]

6 minutes ago, simon uk said:

Wiemann is a good championship striker, and worthy of a place in our squad, but he isnt a real top championship striker in my book,,, derby wouldnt have sold him to us for 1.8 if he was assombalonga.

Wiemann has never been a prolific striker but he does bring plenty of energy and stamina, both qualities that LJ admires. The difference between him and Taylor is the goal ratio.

Wiemann had his best goal return in the Championship last season whereas Taylor is still adjusting to the step up in quality.

[AppyDAZE]

4 hours ago, Born and Red in 82 said:

Sad to see him go...City Legend

Not as legendary as Ryan Fredericks

[maxjak]

5 hours ago, old_eastender said:

Hope Weimann is warming the bench most of the time, for all his running he ain't nowhere near being a "real top striker", never has been or will be.  

Yep.........that hat trick against sheff utd away, was just a matter of 3 complete flukes.  Can we maybe support our players, rather than criticise a guy who ALWAYS gives 100 per cent?

[Lanterne Rouge]

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

But you just have to accept you’re gonna have to pay wages (unless you’re Bolton!).  If you wanna factor that in, then perhaps you need to split the club’s income across each player too?

Beevers and Butler (heh heh sounds like a US cartoon) are astute signings, and i sense this might be their season to get back up to the Champ.  Just backed them e/w at 12/1.

A decent keeper too in Pym from Exeter for nowt.

[bengalcub]

4 hours ago, Northern Red said:

The fact that people are bashing the club over a signing that we appear to have made a profit on is a bit weird, frankly.

Undisclosed , if we made a profit im sure the fee would of been publicized,  pointless signing never given a chance ,only signed for one reason , well three to be exact ....

[JBFC II]

11 minutes ago, bengalcub said:

Undisclosed , if we made a profit im sure the fee would of been publicized,  pointless signing never given a chance ,only signed for one reason , well three to be exact ....

Let’s think about it. 

We signed him for 800k rising to 1 million. 

Peterborough broke their transfer record to sign him, a record that had stood at 1.25 million. 

I’m no mathematician but that sounds like a profit to me

Fees are never disclosed nowadays anyway, apart from when they are record transfers, like this one...

[AshtonGreat]

7 hours ago, bcfc01 said:

Paid 800k to Cheltenham didn't we ?

Got over 1.25m from Posh by most accounts.

Good business but shame it didn't work out for him here, he should do well for them.

I expect we paid that 425k profit on Eisa's wages for a year, so not really good business at all

[JBFC II]

5 minutes ago, Vil1 said:

No not good buisness. He was never given a chance id rather got rid of fammy hes basically a 3rd tier player like eisa but eisa not given ago. Joke get fammy out 

 

2 minutes ago, Vil1 said:

Weiman not good enough fammy not good enough. Lets go sign some more lower league players and sell on. Get quality from the start stop penny pinching 

You really don’t have a clue do you...

[JBFC II]

11 minutes ago, AshtonGreat said:

I expect we paid that 425k profit on Eisa's wages for a year, so not really good business at all

You really think we were paying him 8.5k a week?

[Monkeh]

3 hours ago, downendcity said:

I thought that talking sense was forbidden on OTIB!

Seems it is, just Talking shit about things people don’t seem to be able to grasp,

too many football manager type fans 

[EmissionImpossible]

Some have been out in the sun a bit much today...::

[RumRed]

Yet again a lot of people talking about fees and wages when they know nothing.

Pointless arguments.

Whether we did well or badly out of his time here is chicken feed.

Still have no idea why we signed him though, as pointless as most of these posts.

 

 

[Boston Red]

Darren McAnthony says they have "smashed" their transfer record. As that was 1.25 million I would have thought that meant somewhere between 1.6 and 1.9 million.

He also said all the top end League 1 clubs were in for Mo, and two Championship clubs were in for him as well. They had been tracking Mo for 2 years ever since a pre-season friendly against Cheltenham where he ripped them apart. Said Mo had real pace.

Who knows whether Eisa is good enough for the Championship. But just because a club does not play a player, does not automatically mean he is not good enough. Chelsea did not play Kevin De Bruyne and Mo Salah when they had them. Bearing in mind we spent most of the season playing four defenders, four midfielders, Fammy, and then Jamie Paterson, who was ineffective in terms of goals and assists, would it really have killed us to give Mo Eisa three consecutive starts? Even if it turns out he is rubbish, at least we know for sure. 

[Port Said Red]

29 minutes ago, Boston Red said:

Darren McAnthony says they have "smashed" their transfer record. As that was 1.25 million I would have thought that meant somewhere between 1.6 and 1.9 million.

He also said all the top end League 1 clubs were in for Mo, and two Championship clubs were in for him as well. They had been tracking Mo for 2 years ever since a pre-season friendly against Cheltenham where he ripped them apart. Said Mo had real pace.

Who knows whether Eisa is good enough for the Championship. But just because a club does not play a player, does not automatically mean he is not good enough. Chelsea did not play Kevin De Bruyne and Mo Salah when they had them. Bearing in mind we spent most of the season playing four defenders, four midfielders, Fammy, and then Jamie Paterson, who was ineffective in terms of goals and assists, would it really have killed us to give Mo Eisa three consecutive starts? Even if it turns out he is rubbish, at least we know for sure. 

It's a fair question I suppose, we aren't privy to all that goes on week to week in training, so maybe it was obvious to the management that he wasn't going to work out. I haven't heard any suggestions that the crucial three were in any disagreement on his lack of involvement anyway.

[Monkeh]

1 hour ago, Boston Red said:

Darren McAnthony says they have "smashed" their transfer record. As that was 1.25 million I would have thought that meant somewhere between 1.6 and 1.9 million.

He also said all the top end League 1 clubs were in for Mo, and two Championship clubs were in for him as well. They had been tracking Mo for 2 years ever since a pre-season friendly against Cheltenham where he ripped them apart. Said Mo had real pace.

Who knows whether Eisa is good enough for the Championship. But just because a club does not play a player, does not automatically mean he is not good enough. Chelsea did not play Kevin De Bruyne and Mo Salah when they had them. Bearing in mind we spent most of the season playing four defenders, four midfielders, Fammy, and then Jamie Paterson, who was ineffective in terms of goals and assists, would it really have killed us to give Mo Eisa three consecutive starts? Even if it turns out he is rubbish, at least we know for sure. 

That would be the ineffective fammy who scored 13 goals despite a lengthy ban, our top scorer fammy?

 And patio who scored 5 and got 4 assists the best return from our midfield, that ineffective pato  

[RedRock]

Danny Rose about the only player who put in a decent performance.

 

Must have been benefitting from his Bristol City experience. 

[JBFC II]

2 minutes ago, Moor2Sea said:

Danny Rose about the only player who put in a decent performance.

 

Must have been benefitting from his Bristol City experience. 

Has he gone to Peterborough as well?

[RedRock]

18 minutes ago, JBFC II said:

Has he gone to Peterborough as well?

So bored with the Final, I think I put my Eisa posting on Mumsnet. 

[Curr Avon]

Damn you, Bristol City. Watch Mo score 90 goals for Peterborough next season. You have to wait for an Eisa to mature. Same old story. 

 

[Rudolf Hucker]

1 hour ago, Monkeh said:

That would be the ineffective fammy who scored 13 goals despite a lengthy ban, our top scorer fammy?

 And patio who scored 5 and got 4 assists the best return from our midfield, that ineffective pato  

Love Patio. Good on the deck. 

[Lrrr]

Hopefully a sizeable sell on given p'boro's reputation for getting big fees 

[bengalcub]

3 hours ago, RumRed said:

Yet again a lot of people talking about fees and wages when they know nothing.

Pointless arguments.

Whether we did well or badly out of his time here is chicken feed.

Still have no idea why we signed him though, as pointless as most of these posts.

 

 

Agent , and both managers , just a little clue why we signed him ....

[Mr Popodopolous]

If the fee and a profit even if modest is as reported- even after under 10 games this season and his value surely taking a further dent after no loan to a good League One side in January.

Well done MA and LJ. Good work on making the best out of a less than ideal situation.

As for Eisa...good luck to him. If he does very well at Peterborough, who knows he may join a higher ranked Championship club and come back to haunt us in future.

Hard to assess his capability as we saw so little of him! The leap too big at this time, this being compounded by no January loan to a high up League One side..fairly remarkable that we appear to have made a profit!?

[Dredd]

9 hours ago, Redrascal2 said:

He didn't play.

Johnson would have seen him every day in training against championship players. He saw him play plenty

[Port Said Red]

9 hours ago, bengalcub said:

Agent , and both managers , just a little clue why we signed him ....

Dropping hints at something underhand going on would be more effective if we had been the only club looking to sign him at the time.

[reddogkev]

All the best to Mo Eisa, a shame to see him go as I really hope and expect our signings to succeed at the club.

Whatever we say here, it is a failure when you have to sell a player after just 12 months.

For me, Mo should have been given more starts in the team during the course of the season, as we know he scores goals, and has frightening pace.

Appreciate I'm making these comments from purely a fan's perspective, but if he had been played in the team during the middle period of the season, he may have developed a confidence / improved performance to go on and score a few goals in the latter period of the season, and make a difference in some of our games where we dropped points.

Was he badly injured at some stage of the season?

[NcnsBcfc]

As a side note.

Do you think we have a sell on with Eisa?

We normally publise if that's part of the deal; but I haven't seen anything. 

In that way we cover ourselves if Boro do another of their turning lower league strikers into gem moments.

[Tangle Foot]

12 hours ago, hodge said:

Hopefully a sizeable sell on given p'boro's reputation for getting big fees 

I would be surprised, and very disappointed, if we haven’t demanded a sell on clause in the deal.

[Bazooka Joe]

Unan you say "Eisa gone to Peterborough"

Why youzza gone there for?

[Bristol Rob]

41 minutes ago, reddogkev said:

All the best to Mo Eisa, a shame to see him go as I really hope and expect our signings to succeed at the club.

Whatever we say here, it is a failure when you have to sell a player after just 12 months.

For me, Mo should have been given more starts in the team during the course of the season, as we know he scores goals, and has frightening pace.

Appreciate I'm making these comments from purely a fan's perspective, but if he had been played in the team during the middle period of the season, he may have developed a confidence / improved performance to go on and score a few goals in the latter period of the season, and make a difference in some of our games where we dropped points.

Was he badly injured at some stage of the season?

Do we want to be developing players in a first team game, or as a club are we better off developing them in training and with loan deals?

 

[RoystonFoote'snephew]

12 minutes ago, ncnsbcfc said:

As a side note.

Do you think we have a sell on with Eisa?

We normally publise if that's part of the deal; but I haven't seen anything. 

In that way we cover ourselves if Boro do another of their turning lower league strikers into gem moments.

I’d be amazed if any deal by any club doesn’t have a sell on clause as standard these days, with only the percentage to be negotiated. 

[NcnsBcfc]

31 minutes ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said:

I’d be amazed if any deal by any club doesn’t have a sell on clause as standard these days, with only the percentage to be negotiated. 

I agree.

It's just that we normally publise it, to show how enhanced the deal is.

No mention anywhere so far.

[View from the Dolman]

27 minutes ago, ncnsbcfc said:

I agree.

It's just that we normally publise it, to show how enhanced the deal is.

No mention anywhere so far.

When have the club publicised sell-on clauses?

[Monkeh]

4 hours ago, View from the Dolman said:

When have the club publicised sell-on clauses?

Not often, if at all

[Davefevs]

26 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

Not often, if at all

Indeed....with McCoulsky they said we have an investment in his future....but rare to see anything specific.

[Lanterne Rouge]

58 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Indeed....with McCoulsky they said we have an investment in his future....but rare to see anything specific.

It only tends to happen when smaller clubs sell one of their bright young stars to a higher club for not a huge amount and is only done then to reassure their fans that they`ve not let a good player go for nothing.

[Lrrr]

13 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said:

Is Kelly truly one he inherited?

Kelly was an academy product, but let's say Johnson is here in 5 years time. Would a player who comes through the academy in that time be someone he inherits? He wouldn't have been purchased, but still a club development.

Think academy players are different, while LJ didn't sign Kelly he'd have been what, 17 when LJ took over. LJ would have seen enough to have wanted him kept at the academy and then promoted to the first team so will have had a significant enough input into his development to get credit for his valuation upon being sold.

[Davefevs]

11 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said:

Is Kelly truly one he inherited?

Kelly was an academy product, but let's say Johnson is here in 5 years time. Would a player who comes through the academy in that time be someone he inherits? He wouldn't have been purchased, but still a club development.

I was expecting a challenge on Kelly.  He broke through under Cotterill in 15/16 pre-season, aged 17, going to Portugal (I think) as part of a small 1st team squad.  So, yes, I do think he was inherited by LJ.  If he was 16 when LJ arrived I would say he’s LJ’s, but in Lloyd’s case it makes you wonder why it took so long to get more minutes.

So hassle if you don’t agree.

 

[Davefevs]

18 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said:

I wasn't sure when he made his debut or when he was first taken along with the first team for pre season, which is why it was more of a question than a proper challenge.

I'd still say it's a bit harsh to outright say it's someone he inherited, with Hodge's comments below very much covering my reasoning why.

 

Hodges reasoning is fine, just like Bobby, I give LJ credit for them becoming the players (and value) they became.  My comment was about churn of players he’d both bought and sold, and hopefully an improvement now we are moving into medium term with him.  If LJ had signed Kelly as a 17 year old from XYZ Utd, then it would be totally different.  

We haven’t seen a Jonny Smith or Diego Di Girolamo sell for £x million yet.

[Davefevs]

40 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said:

That's true, but those are always long term ones really. DDG went but at least 75% of the young 'uns brought in under LJ are still here. Brownhill is an established first teamer and was just 20/21 when he signed. He would be worth several million were he to be sold.

Most of the young ones signed will be seen as "didn't make it" etc. That's just how it goes. But Jonny Smith, Hinds, Bakinson, Janneh, Semenyo are all going to be worth more now than when they signed already.

 

Brownhill and O’Dowda were first teamers at their respective clubs, irrespective of age, with almost 200 appearances between them.  Completely different class of signing to DDG (I like that, much easier than trying to remember his to spell his name!) or Smith.  I’m waiting for one of the the plethora of young ‘punts’ to really make it.  Don’t get me wrong, recruitment is improving, and I would be happier if we bought more Brownhill’s and O’Dowda’s than play the numbers games with the likes of Smith and DDG.  But I accept it is in the hope that one one of them “goes big” and justifies the approach.  Semenyo and Bakinson have that chance.  We just haven’t seen one yet, that’s all I'm saying.

We are improving really nicely, so don’t read this as a criticism.  Most managers don’t even get enough time to see a cycle of their own players both bought and sold.

[bengalcub]

13 hours ago, Port Said Red said:

Dropping hints at something underhand going on would be more effective if we had been the only club looking to sign him at the time.

Everytime a player moves im sure other clubs were/are interested , dont really get your point.

 

[Monkeh]

10 hours ago, hodge said:

Think academy players are different, while LJ didn't sign Kelly he'd have been what, 17 when LJ took over. LJ would have seen enough to have wanted him kept at the academy and then promoted to the first team so will have had a significant enough input into his development to get credit for his valuation upon being sold.

Jelly was here when Johnson was a player, Johnson use to train the youngsters when he was a player,

johnson had a massive hand in his developmental 

[Port Said Red]

8 hours ago, bengalcub said:

Everytime a player moves im sure other clubs were/are interested , dont really get your point.

 

My point is there is no extra incentive for a deal, the price would have been the same, the fees to agents etc would have been the same. We didn’t buy him to make someone money in some underhand way.

[Slippin cider]

Posh DOF says that Eisa wasted a year of his career when he signed for us .....**** ...