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Derby County v Bristol City - Match Day 4


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Unexpected but expected was the tone of yesterday's news that young Matthew has been sent back to his OG club Oxford. We all expected him to go elsewhere and most likely down to L1 but when his old stomping ground was announced as the location, especially as most have now realised whom they have on Saturday away, it was a bit of a surprise. Surely one of the recently relegated teams would have had more of a shot? Anyhoo, Matty's gone home and Roverzzz fans are scouring Amazon for plastic, inflatable and furry snakes. I imagine Matt may have a few presents come Saturday.

Also surprising (for me and a few others) was the scoreline against QPR. After already playing them a few days prior, I was expecting a carbon copy and it was far from it. Afobe is now off the mark and according to ex Stoke manager Gary Rowett, he should find our gaff right up his street. Seems Rowett was right as Afobe has commented about how he feels like his old self thanks in part to LJ and playing FIFA with Kasey Palmer. It's also notable that Afobe has found a place for his family to live so there will be no Stoke-Bristol commutes. He must really like it here.

There really is something about Bristol and bringing people together. We might be a footballing backwater according to anyone outside a 50 mile perimeter but players do love it here. Apart from Tomlin. And Gary O'Neil.

Tonight we play Wayne Rooney's Derby County. Yep, the brass lover hasn't even set foot on the coaching facilities but because he will after Christmas, the club, papers and Sky are all breathing a sigh of relief. Frank Lampard was the big draw last season and what would Derby do now he left? Announce Wayne Rooney of course. Create media whirlwind which means more TV coverage which means more money to cover up Wayne's latest scandal. Whhhoooopeee.

In other news, Pato is so say leaking secrets to Derby now he's on loan. Small problem there. He's only played with about 5 of our squad. Moore was out on loan for most of his duration and Kalas and Palmer only joined last year so his knowledge there won't be as extensive. Pato is ineligible for tonight's game anyway and will watch the match from the box at Pride Park.

Martyn Waghorn (coincidentally whom is looking like his face was carved from a tree more and more daily) has scored in both his most recent games against us and hopes to continue that run today. Announce @Bakesy23. Just like last week please. Put him on his ass.

 

Personally, a tough match and I can see this going two ways. Either we come at them and shock with a 2-1 win or we sit back and they give us a 3-2 punch on the nose. I'll go with the loss because City always win when I predict a loss.

 

Safe travels for those travelling up tonight. 

COYRS!

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Be interesting tonight to see Waghorn v Baker.  Waghorn, although not in the Garner league of vileness, is a striker who is not worried about straying beyond the rules, little barges after the player has released the ball, pointy elbows, and a foot that tackles at the centre of the ball, not from the ground.

He is combativeness at my most generous, but Bakes might need to give him a little reminder tonight, either if he tries it on him, or any of our players.

A little duel to watch!!

 

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4 minutes ago, Kingswoodactor said:

So do we believe that Paterson has snaked us out to Cocu then, as the Post reported?!

To be fair, I don't think even Johnson knows how we truly set up yet, so Paterson spilling the beans on us to the Derby coaching team will prove entirely fruitless!

Agent Pato  will be explaining how our centre back pairing of Massengo and Morrell like to get forward , that Elliason can be done for pace and Frankie Fielding is dominant in his box .

;)

He ain’t gonna piss on his buddies now is he ? 

We all know he hates Derby as well .

Why do you think we let him go there ?

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1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

Be interesting tonight to see Waghorn v Baker.  Waghorn, although not in the Garner league of vileness, is a striker who is not worried about straying beyond the rules, little barges after the player has released the ball, pointy elbows, and a foot that tackles at the centre of the ball, not from the ground.

He is combativeness at my most generous, but Bakes might need to give him a little reminder tonight, either if he tries it on him, or any of our players.

A little duel to watch!!

 

Problem is that Waghorn is a sly little shit, so if Baker does try to give as good as he gets, he'll be seen by the "Homer" ref as the villain.

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5 minutes ago, old_eastender said:

I'd put that confidence on hold until we know if Nagy is fit to play...

Much as I hope “Naaahj” is fit, I wouldn’t be fearing Brownhill being partnered by Massengo as much as I would be If last season Pack was missing and Walsh came in.

If everyone is fit, be nice to see an unchanged side, even if Hunt knows he’s under serious competition.

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2 minutes ago, Super said:

Shocked to see hunt playing

 

Pereira obviously still not 100%.

I don't think Jack had too bad a game v QPR, but he's not as good as many of the men around him. He has his moments of brilliance, but is - in Championship terms - ordinary.

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4 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Hmm...Nagy injury worse than initially feared then?

Only change Massengo for Nagy.

Wonder how it'll match up tactically.

Hopefully just a precaution with the number of games coming up. Massengo will cause Derby lots of problems. They won't know what to expect of him.

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6 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

Pereira obviously still not 100%.

I don't think Jack had too bad a game v QPR, but he's not as good as many of the men around him. He has his moments of brilliance, but is - in Championship terms - ordinary.

Excellent summary RR. Spot on.

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6 minutes ago, The Horse With No Name said:

Did you watch Periera at Birmingham? First half he made several unforced mistakes, which could have been down to nerves on his debut, but , coupled with coming back from injury, tonight is not the arena to chance  him .

I did yes probably a combination of things but still he’s a massive upgrade on hunt. Look against Leeds everything came from that side Against hunt. Teams know he’s out weak link 

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2 minutes ago, Loosey Boy said:

Reckon he will go out on loan 

 

2 minutes ago, Curr Avon said:

That could be a sign that he'll be loaned out soon. 

If that is the case the Nagy fears are probably unjustified

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45 minutes ago, RedDave said:

Just got to my hotel 15 minutes walk from Pride Park. Confident that we won’t lose. You reds 

Making me crave an away day. Match, then pubs into the night, then kebab then hotel. Football fans Christmas. COYR

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7 minutes ago, Big C said:

Surprised Walsh didn't make the bench as Centre Mid cover

Guess Rowe could move in there and Callum go LWB.  Not ideal, but would avoid formation change, or go to a flat 3 in midfield, e.g.

Palmer / Brownhill / O’Dowda or Eliasson (If Massengo went off) or

Palmer / Massengo / O’Dowda if Eliasson (If Brownhill went off)

 

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1 minute ago, Davefevs said:

Guess Rowe could move in there and Callum go LWB.  Not ideal, but would avoid formation change, or go to a flat 3 in midfield, e.g.

Palmer / Brownhill / O’Dowda or Eliasson (If Massengo went off) or

Palmer / Massengo / O’Dowda if Eliasson (If Brownhill went off)

 

With all the other injuries it would be just our luck that Massengo gets crocked tonight.

Hope I've not jinxed it.

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1 minute ago, Curr Avon said:

The word on the street is that LJ prefers his "defensive" qualities to Pereira. It looks like 3-5-2 again, which can't accommodate Eliasson without a formation change.

Which are those then?  From my viewpoint he is constantly being out of position...

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5 minutes ago, Curr Avon said:

He also needs to be able to trap a pass. Hunt messed up two excellent chances to bear down on goal on Saturday due to poor ball control.

In fairness he wasn’t the only one.

The sun played its part in several misplaced passes and balls going straight out of play .

 I just hope the Sun doesn’t play tonight.

Stop the witch-hunting !

 

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Still not keen on this 3-5-2.

Surely if you play that system, you do it because you have excellent wing backs.

Pretty sure we haven't.  At least, not tonight.

I know it got a result against QPR but it wasn't exactly pretty.

Come on City, prove me wrong.

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People still backing jack hunt! The bloke looked uninterested in both games against qpr and is an absolute liability defensively , as is tommy Rowe by the way. We will get ripped apart down the sides tonight , 4-1 loss.

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1 minute ago, Hocca said:

People still backing jack hunt! The bloke looked uninterested in both games against qpr and is an absolute liability defensively , as is tommy Rowe by the way. We will get ripped apart down the sides tonight , 4-1 loss.

Derby don't play with conventional wingers (as pointed out on another thread by @DerbyFan ), I'm not so sure about this aspect.

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1 minute ago, OldlandReddies said:

We have ******* shit luck with injuries. Pissing me off now.

We certainly do.

Maenpaa- Came into the season injured, recurring. Now on the return.

Pereira- Debut, got a knock or something.

Wright- Injured

Dasilva- Injured

Smith- Came into the season and is still injured?

Watkins- Not necessarily a big loss but injured all the same.

Nagy- First home game, injured.

Incredible!

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16 minutes ago, Posset red said:

I did yes probably a combination of things but still he’s a massive upgrade on hunt. Look against Leeds everything came from that side Against hunt. Teams know he’s out weak link 

Well against QPR everything came down Rowe's side. If anything I feel while we stick with three at the back it is Rowe who will be targeted.

I'm not having a go at him but he isn't really a FB or WB whereas at least that is Hunt's proper position.

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1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

We certainly do.

Maenpaa- Came into the season injured, recurring. Now on the return.

Pereira- Debut, got a knock or something.

Wright- Injured

Dasilva- Injured

Smith- Came into the season and is still injured?

Watkins- Not necessarily a big loss but injured all the same.

Nagy- First home game, injured.

Incredible!

In the circumstances we will do well to be around mid table when the January window opens I reckon. Assuming no further injuries.

Why is almost always key players who get injured?!

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6 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

We certainly do.

Maenpaa- Came into the season injured, recurring. Now on the return.

Pereira- Debut, got a knock or something.

Wright- Injured

Dasilva- Injured

Smith- Came into the season and is still injured?

Watkins- Not necessarily a big loss but injured all the same.

Nagy- First home game, injured.

Incredible!

yeah that's a blow...

Cue the what are our Medical Team doing posts :)

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4 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

We certainly do.

Maenpaa- Came into the season injured, recurring. Now on the return.

Pereira- Debut, got a knock or something.

Wright- Injured

Dasilva- Injured

Smith- Came into the season and is still injured?

Watkins- Not necessarily a big loss but injured all the same.

Nagy- First home game, injured.

Incredible!

Medium and long term injuries for an inordinate amount of players has been going on for 2/3 seasons now.......makes you think if the pre-season/training regime is the root cause.

we can’t keep putting it down to bad luck

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5 minutes ago, RedRaw said:

Medium and long term injuries for an inordinate amount of players has been going on for 2/3 seasons now.......makes you think if the pre-season/training regime is the root cause.

we can’t keep putting it down to bad luck

This is true.

I did wonder at one time if the fairly full on pre season, not least the pre-season tour to America might have knackered us- but I was basing that more on the Crystal Palace friendly and the Leeds opener! Hadn't even factors in injuries.

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2 minutes ago, RedRaw said:

Medium and long term injuries for an inordinate amount of players has been going on for 2/3 seasons now.......makes you think if the pre-season/training regime is the root cause.

we can’t keep putting it down to bad luck

Not whilst it's possible to blame someone. Maybe Lee? Yep- I blame Lee Johnson.

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12 minutes ago, robin_unreliant said:

Well against QPR everything came down Rowe's side. If anything I feel while we stick with three at the back it is Rowe who will be targeted.

I'm not having a go at him but he isn't really a FB or WB whereas at least that is Hunt's proper position.

Thought Rowe looked alright against Birmingham 

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10 minutes ago, RedRaw said:

Medium and long term injuries for an inordinate amount of players has been going on for 2/3 seasons now.......makes you think if the pre-season/training regime is the root cause.

we can’t keep putting it down to bad luck

 

7 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

This is true.

I did wonder at one time if the fairly full on pre season, not least the pre-season tour to America might have knackered us- but I was basing that more on the Crystal Palace friendly and the Leeds opener! Hadn't even factors in injuries.

Although Nagy took part in none of this.

 

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8 minutes ago, RedRaw said:

Medium and long term injuries for an inordinate amount of players has been going on for 2/3 seasons now.......makes you think if the pre-season/training regime is the root cause.

we can’t keep putting it down to bad luck

I think if they were all muscle injuries you could make a case for it, but Nagy, Smith and We Silva are all contact injuries. 

Arsenal had a similar issue about 10 years ago, it was thought they were a half second quicker than their opposition and would get flattered for it 

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