BCFC Rich Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 20 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said: I wasn't pointing the finger at you 29AR but literally EVERY single time Robbored posts, there's a load of associated posts having a pop at him. I don't really understand this ALL the time and yes he's a WUM but it seems like every single thread he posts in, someone has a go. To those of us that just want to have a mild giggle and discuss the City and the pathetic mob in BS7, it really is very tiresome. I neither know or have ever met Robbored BTW. You're a good poster who I regularly agree with but think of the majority that don't want to read this crap on EVERY thread eh! Maybe, if it bothers you, that's what the 'ignore' function is for? Just a suggestion my friend. Basically the way peoples reactions to RR's posts wind you up, and you feel clutter up and derail threads is how many, many posters feel about RR posts. Its hard not to say something sometimes and he goes out of his way to wind up posters he knows he has a particular effect on and consitantly posts in threads saying how they are pointless and he has no interest in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Robbored said: I have no interest in unfounded rumours and I’m really quite surprised at how many gullible types there are on here that do have an interest in wild speculation and rumour........ It must be an age thing.................. It is an age thing, you seem to be repeating yourself, you have nothing to add to others discussions whilst seeming to find emojis amusing. You’re either an 11 year old girl or a man of advancing years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galway Red Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 3 hours ago, WolfOfWestStreet said: Some of the rumours will be false There is no room 362 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Our most important player. Everyone else is kind of replaceable. Afobe though offers us something no one else can do up top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colombo Robin Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Praying this isnt true but bave a bad feeling it is. Seems too random to have just appeared out of thin air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Hopefully it’s a long term injury to Robbored and he’s ruled out of posting for 6months! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 If the rumour about Afobe doing his ACL are true it is a big blow . We do have other options but not one of his class and experience. This could also put in jeopardy any full transfer at the end of his loan because the chances are that he would not be the same after his recovery. I just hope that it’s BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Robbored makes an excellent point that this could actually all be nonsense It is not the most reliable Twitter page. More reliable Twitter accounts or pages have not reported this have they? If it is true then it's the worst player to get injured. I guess the one positive would be more game time for Semenyo, which may mean quicker development. And would also maybe move Janneh into fourth choice striker when he's back. Or it might mean Szmodics gets more game time, if LJ feels he can play him off of Weimann and Palmer in behind them. Not sure that is what he will go with though. I'm not so sure of Weimann in the number 9 position. Can look great there but lacks the physical attributes that Afobe has imo. I expect LJ probably goes mainly with Diedhiou and Weimann, which did not look good last season. But with Palmer in behind it might work better. Will be massive blow if true. Any other player, even Dasilva, Kalas, i still fancy our chances against most teams. Afobe's pace, power, touch, movement, finishing ability. He really has it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 6 hours ago, Robbored said: I have no interest in unfounded rumours Says the man with more posts than anyone else in a thread literally entitled ‘what’s the rumour’. Get a life you sad specimen and let people talk about what they want to talk about. If you don’t like it, move on and don’t click on the thread. Sick to death of you derailing every single thread to make it about yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
054123 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 City to still finish in the top 12, as everyone expected. The championship ballet.....goes on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 10 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: Says the man with more posts than anyone else in a thread literally entitled ‘what’s the rumour’. Get a life you sad specimen and let people talk about what they want to talk about. If you don’t like it, move on and don’t click on the thread. Sick to death of you derailing every single thread to make it about yourself. Yep. And yet when this gets pointed out, it's the people who are fed up to the back teeth with it who are the problem. Absolutely pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 6 hours ago, 29AR said: It’s not without reason though Ska. He is allowed to do it because he’s part of the clique. Last night we had an alcoholic from Sweden - part of the same clique - post overtly racist comments which were deleted (swept under the carpet). And yet accusations remain for all to see in the Rovers thread when it’s not on our doorstep. Then this guy, known to rile with only that intention, is allowed to continue. You can go too far in moderating - Sagchat, or you can go not far enough and let a place like this, which used to be a great forum in which I enjoyed participating in, going to the dregs. Because that’s where it has gone. You once had really intellectual debate and commentary on this place. But the same perps are allowed to ruin it time and time again without any semblance of humour. And they do so deliberately; either for their own pathetic hard on, or through addictive disease - which the ‘friends’ allow him to very publicly embarrass himself rather than support. How shameful. Certain posters are allowed to ruin as much content as they wish and to stifle as much commentary as they wish just because they are the playground milk monitor’s mate. The door can hit me on the way out. See you OTIB... it was once fun. Oh come on, it's a popular forum which means all types of posting from insightful analysis and comment through the bleedin' obvious to wind ups and, with this being my particular bete noir, puns. It has always been thus, just skip the posts you don't like or if it's a particular poster put them on ignore. I only have one poster on ignore and they aren't on this thread as yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tammyjr Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Recall the snake?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colombo Robin Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 25 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: Says the man with more posts than anyone else in a thread literally entitled ‘what’s the rumour’. Get a life you sad specimen and let people talk about what they want to talk about. If you don’t like it, move on and don’t click on the thread. Sick to death of you derailing every single thread to make it about yourself. Threads wouldnt be derailed if everyone just ignored him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 9 hours ago, Sturman 1 said: Any ideas what this could be about? I’m totally stumped!! He’s not exactly ITK and admits he’s heard it via unsubstantiated gossip. It is pretty attention seeky of him, because he’s a well known ‘face’ on Bristol City twitter people assume he knows something. He doesn’t necessarily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 25 minutes ago, Tammyjr said: Recall the snake?? Can’t recall loans until at least January if at all. Depends on the deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 If true I’m sure we can get someone decent in on an emergency loan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swanker Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 31 minutes ago, Tammyjr said: Recall the snake?? He’s worth 3 goals a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Crayola Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 33 minutes ago, Tammyjr said: Recall the snake?? That time has past, he hasnt and will never get enough goals at this level. Especially if we want to challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC RISK77 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 This on a twitter page of 29 followers- I hope its bullshit that the exiled robin bloke has fell for big time Sorry #BristolCity fans but even worse news has come out of this, Afobe has now had his loan terminated and has been sent back to #scfc to recover from his severe injury. Official confirmation to come from both clubs tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamalagerdrinker Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Very worried if true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Crayola Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 7 minutes ago, MC RISK77 said: This on a twitter page of 29 followers- I hope its bullshit that the exiled robin bloke has fell for big time Sorry #BristolCity fans but even worse news has come out of this, Afobe has now had his loan terminated and has been sent back to #scfc to recover from his severe injury. Official confirmation to come from both clubs tomorrow. This oddly fills me with a little more confidemce that its all a lie. The information in this makes it sound ITK but it also reeks of someone trying to make bullshit sound authentic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Yep doesn’t appear any good sources have posted it yet. Exiled Robin let his desire to have a scoop supersede the need to wait for a reputable source. Because he’s got a few followers he’s made people panic unnecessarily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 10 minutes ago, MC RISK77 said: This on a twitter page of 29 followers- I hope its bullshit that the exiled robin bloke has fell for big time Sorry #BristolCity fans but even worse news has come out of this, Afobe has now had his loan terminated and has been sent back to #scfc to recover from his severe injury. Official confirmation to come from both clubs tomorrow. Now I’m calling bull. - Under the terms of the loan agreement, BCFC would have no right of cancel if an injury occurred. - Indeed, in the case of an injury, it’s in Stokes interest for the loan agreement to remain in place - even if Afobe is injured and won’t play again this season - as then BCFC continue to pay the wages - Back to Stoke to recover (if true) is plausible. Stoke agreeing to termination without a significant financial settlement in lieu of wages (which won’t have been agreed yet as the “injury” has just come out), seems implausible Theres no reputable sources reporting this as yet. Whole bucketful of salt until that is the case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richwwtk Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 55 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said: I only have one poster on ignore and they aren't on this thread as yet. How do you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 What a blow that would be for Afobe. He's in the process of resurrecting his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboBCFC Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Would be surprised. When I screwed my knee up I had to wait 48 hours for a scan on it due to the swelling. One of my mates saw him out and about on Tuesday afternoon and he was fine so seems a very fast turn around for injury/diagnosis/termination of loan to actually occur. Although I guess private healthcare may have more expensive equipment that can diagnose sooner but just doesn't seem likely to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Running the risk of being hung out to dry by a fair few on here, I'll put my neck on the line here and say its true. Out for the season apparently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Andy082005 said: Running the risk of being hung out to dry by a fair few on here, I'll put my neck on the line here and say its true. Out for the season apparently What’s your source mate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 7 hours ago, Ska Junkie said: I wasn't pointing the finger at you 29AR but literally EVERY single time Robbored posts, there's a load of associated posts having a pop at him. I don't really understand this ALL the time and yes he's a WUM but it seems like every single thread he posts in, someone has a go. To those of us that just want to have a mild giggle and discuss the City and the pathetic mob in BS7, it really is very tiresome. I neither know or have ever met Robbored BTW. You're a good poster who I regularly agree with but think of the majority that don't want to read this crap on EVERY thread eh! Maybe, if it bothers you, that's what the 'ignore' function is for? Just a suggestion my friend. I have him on ignore but it doesn't stop you seeing people that quote him. Pathetic person & I'm amazed he hasn't been banned yet. I normally ignore the conversations regarding him, to not derail threads, but this thread is such a mess anyway I thought I'd add my comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, Selred said: What’s your source mate? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 16 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Yep doesn’t appear any good sources have posted it yet. Exiled Robin let his desire to have a scoop supersede the need to wait for a reputable source. Because he’s got a few followers he’s made people panic unnecessarily. Exactly why nobody should take any notice of unfounded rumour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swanker Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, Selred said: What’s your source mate? He hasn’t got one. He’s read it on the internet so it must be true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, Robbored said: Exactly why nobody should take any notice of unfounded rumour. But if it turned out to be true then everybody would have been correct to pay attention to it, and you would come and apologise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
man in the middle Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 16 minutes ago, mozo said: What a blow that would be for Afobe. He's in the process of resurrecting his career. Gutting for us but massive for him. If true we need to think of the player and wish him well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin_unreliant Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 IF it is true, the talk from LJ of double or even triple training sessions over the break would raise questions in my mind. We do seem to be picking up a lot of injuries and not all in first team games. Hoping it turns out to be bs though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 9 minutes ago, Robbored said: Exactly why nobody should take any notice of unfounded rumour. Exactly what you said when I started a thread about Lampard leaving Derby for Chelsea. Basically, neither you nor I know whether any rumour is unfounded or not. That’s why they are rumours. That’s why they are discussed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 7 minutes ago, mozo said: But if it turned out to be true then everybody would have been correct to pay attention to it, and you would come and apologise. So if it turns out to utter bollocks then I can expect numerous apologies from those who have criticised me?........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepUpLino Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 If true we won’t be going up that’s for sure... Are we the most unlucky club ever!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, Leveller said: Exactly what you said when I started a thread about Lampard leaving Derby for Chelsea. Basically, neither you nor I know whether any rumour is unfounded or not. That’s why they are rumours. That’s why they are discussed. Lampard to Chelsea wasn’t exactly unlikely tho was it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpTheReds Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 40 minutes ago, MC RISK77 said: This on a twitter page of 29 followers- I hope its bullshit that the exiled robin bloke has fell for big time Sorry #BristolCity fans but even worse news has come out of this, Afobe has now had his loan terminated and has been sent back to #scfc to recover from his severe injury. Official confirmation to come from both clubs tomorrow. Think this nobody twitter account tweeted this after people started saying "afobe has done his acl" on twitter, exiled robins original tweet about it was nearly an hour before they tweeted, so this account probably knows absolutely nothing about it. Just hoping that whoever told exiled first is making it all up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, KeepUpLino said: If true we won’t be going up that’s for sure... Why on earth do you think that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepUpLino Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, Robbored said: Why on earth do you think that? Because Fammys a fraud.... not good enough.... We’ve looked a different side with Afobe leading the line.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 12 minutes ago, KeepUpLino said: Because Fammys a fraud.... not good enough.... We’ve looked a different side with Afobe leading the line.... Bit harsh (you'll have Tipps for company all day now) But I do agree that Afobe would be a huge loss IF this rumour is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TETBURY MASSIVE Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 7 hours ago, 29AR said: It’s not without reason though Ska. He is allowed to do it because he’s part of the clique. Last night we had an alcoholic from Sweden - part of the same clique - post overtly racist comments which were deleted (swept under the carpet). And yet accusations remain for all to see in the Rovers thread when it’s not on our doorstep. Then this guy, known to rile with only that intention, is allowed to continue. You can go too far in moderating - Sagchat, or you can go not far enough and let a place like this, which used to be a great forum in which I enjoyed participating in, going to the dregs. Because that’s where it has gone. You once had really intellectual debate and commentary on this place. But the same perps are allowed to ruin it time and time again without any semblance of humour. And they do so deliberately; either for their own pathetic hard on, or through addictive disease - which the ‘friends’ allow him to very publicly embarrass himself rather than support. How shameful. Certain posters are allowed to ruin as much content as they wish and to stifle as much commentary as they wish just because they are the playground milk monitor’s mate. The door can hit me on the way out. See you OTIB... it was once fun. 100% spot on 29AR. The bloke is a top of the range C*** and is allowed to do what he wants and is so protected by the Mods and the little clique that they have, that its funny.... Shame really that they dont have the bolloxs to stand up to him... but then again they are all besties... so what do you expect....?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 18 minutes ago, Robbored said: Why on earth do you think that? I think there's a widely held belief, myself included, that our main problem last season was up front, and that Afobe was the upgrade we needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Play Fammy with a strike partner like Weimann and itll be fine. The problem last season was him toiling on his own with little support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 53 minutes ago, richwwtk said: How do you know? You can see that they have posted even if they are on ignore, their post is hidden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepUpLino Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: Play Fammy with a strike partner like Weimann and itll be fine. The problem last season was him toiling on his own with little support. Im not so sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 42 minutes ago, swanker said: He hasn’t got one. He’s read it on the internet so it must be true! I know Andy very well, he is not a bullshitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 10 minutes ago, TETBURY MASSIVE said: 100% spot on 29AR. The bloke is a top of the range C*** and is allowed to do what he wants and is so protected by the Mods and the little clique that they have, that its funny.... Shame really that they dont have the bolloxs to stand up to him... but then again they are all besties... so what do you expect....?!? Morning TM hope you slept well..........btw you don’t know the half of it............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
054123 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Robbored said: Morning TM hope you slept well..........btw you don’t know the half of it............ Stop replying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 https://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-benik-afobe-set-to-miss-rest-of-season-in-devastating-bristol-city-blow/ By Pete O'Rourke who is credible.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardy Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Now being tweeted by someone with 50k followers. I’ve got a bad feeling about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 12 minutes ago, mozo said: I think there's a widely held belief, myself included, that our main problem last season was up front, and that Afobe was the upgrade we needed. I completely agree but last season Semenyo was still out on loan. Now he’s been in every match day squad. Should the need arise LJ might consider him ready to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TETBURY MASSIVE Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, Robbored said: Morning TM hope you slept well..........btw you don’t know the half of it............ I was talking about you.... not too you..... If I was talking to you I would of @Robbored you... so dont worry... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redbo Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, bcfc01 said: https://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-benik-afobe-set-to-miss-rest-of-season-in-devastating-bristol-city-blow/ By Pete O'Rourke who is credible.. That is one horrible website. More adverts than story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Back on topic... Seems to be true. Big loss for the season. Back to square one minus Matty Taylor.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Grim Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Cant help but feel that's top 6 gone. Yes get negative blah blah blah but this is a massive massive blow if true. Absolutely buzzing to watching balls bounce of Fam for the rest of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepUpLino Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 ******* shambles.. another training ground injury .... Another season down the shitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, KeepUpLino said: ******* shambles.. another training ground injury .... Another season down the shitter Only you could post this first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 ******* shambles.. another training ground injury .... Another season down the shitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Such a shame, feel for Afobe too - must feel cursed with bad luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 3 weeks ago, he signed and there was a meltdown.... Now theres a meltdown because we may have lost him for the season! Only City fans! Worse case scenario is, Semenyo has to step up until january, when we can bring someone in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, Unan said: ******* shambles.. another training ground injury .... Another season down the shitter Ha- not so clever now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Funny thing is Robbored is most often true in his not believing any rumours comments. So many nonsense ones over the summer. This one is from dodgy Twitter account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betty Swallocks Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, JonDolman said: Funny thing is Robbored is most often true in his not believing any rumours comments. So many nonsense ones over the summer. This one is from dodgy Twitter account. This one appeared on a dodgy twitter account after the rumour originally broke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpTheReds Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, JonDolman said: Funny thing is Robbored is most often true in his not believing any rumours comments. So many nonsense ones over the summer. This one is from dodgy Twitter account. The rumour started before that account tweeted about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 It's a blow yes but talk of our season being over is laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepUpLino Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Super said: It's a blow yes but talk of our season being over is laughable. I’d say his goals would’ve got us into the top 6... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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