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On 12/01/2022 at 15:03, PHILINFRANCE said:

Being protected from a baying mob and given a Police escort back to our car (all five of us!) 

As Mary Hopkins once sang....

Knock, Knock. Who's There?

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry, couldn't resist. And just to be even more pedantic it was Mary Hopkin. She was singular!

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1 hour ago, Norn Iron said:

Sorry, couldn't resist. And just to be even more pedantic it was Mary Hopkin. She was singular!

No problem whatsoever, on the contrary.

I may have known back in the 1960s, but time fades memory for all of us, and I was convinced she was plural.

TWTD used to be one of my favourite records growing up, along with The Seekers' 'The Carnival is Over', and, as often happens, I still recall some trivia about both songs.

I am sure you are aware, but both TWTD and TCiO were originally Russian folk songs, and the former was actually released on the Apple label (their second release after The Beatles' 'Hey Jude') and produced by Paul McCartney, whose brother, Mike McGear, was a member of the Liverpool group The Scaffold.

The Scaffold, of course, recorded Lily the Pink, also based on old folk song, and their backing vocalists included, inter alia, Elton John (then Reg Dwight), and Tim Rice - they also wrote and recorded The Liver Birds, but then you probably knew that. 

 

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45 minutes ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

No problem whatsoever, on the contrary.

I may have known back in the 1960s, but time fades memory for all of us, and I was convinced she was plural.

TWTD used to be one of my favourite records growing up, along with The Seekers' 'The Carnival is Over', and, as often happens, I still recall some trivia about both songs.

I am sure you are aware, but both TWTD and TCiO were originally Russian folk songs, and the former was actually released on the Apple label (their second release after The Beatles' 'Hey Jude') and produced by Paul McCartney, whose brother, Mike McGear, was a member of the Liverpool group The Scaffold.

The Scaffold, of course, recorded Lily the Pink, also based on old folk song, and their backing vocalists included, inter alia, Elton John (then Reg Dwight), and Tim Rice - they also wrote and recorded The Liver Birds, but then you probably knew that. 

 

Superb Phil! I knew most but not all of the above. Never knew about the Russian folk song links!

And of course Mary married Tony Visconti who gets mentioned having a kiss with Julie Christie allegedly in a famous David Bowie song!

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On 12/01/2022 at 08:55, Oh Louie louie said:

A rovers fan i know said one of the games they took a real hiding, was when they got knocked out the fa cup,

By a non leauge team under francis.

I cant remember who it was, think it was outskirts of london.

He said a london united mob turned up for them that day.

 

On 12/01/2022 at 17:29, Vespa Red said:

Hitchin?

Yep, my hometown. I was there that day.  Think Rovers got a shock result on and off the pitch.   Don't think there was any First Division games that day so any lads from Hitchin that usually follow London clubs came to the Top Field instead.  Think global, act local. ?

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25 minutes ago, Norn Iron said:

Superb Phil! I knew most but not all of the above. Never knew about the Russian folk song links!

And of course Mary married Tony Visconti who gets mentioned having a kiss with Julie Christie allegedly in a famous David Bowie song!

Thanks.

Another (trivia) subject I meant to raise with you some time ago concerns The Rutles - I think that we discussed them in a thread about Neil Innes.

Whilst my original 1970s 'The Rutles' album has long since disappeared, I was convinced that one of the lead singers on the album was Eric Idle, notably singing 'I Must be In Love' and 'With a Girl Like You'. 

I was adamant that he, Eric Idle, 'sang' on the album, whilst you remained adamant he didn't, even going so far as to ask me whether you 'needed to spell it out'!

Anyway, I didn't reply, even though I was convinced I was right and you were wrong, but I was left with a nagging doubt, as you appeared to have some connection with, if I recall correctly, both Neil Innes and George Harrison.

Well, to cut a long story short, I recently came across a 'mockumentary' entitled 'All You Need is Cash', co-directed by Eric Idle, who, of course, sang both 'I Must be In Love' and 'With a Girl Like You' in the film.

Ha, Touché!

Except....

I read up on some background to the film and discovered that Eric Idle sang both songs in the film/mockumentary, but not on the original 'The Rutles' album.

Luckily, I didn't reply (angrily) to your earlier post ?

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Plymouth away i think 96/97 now that got to be up there with reading game. Remember parking the minibus behind i think the cherry tree pub.nice game of pool for about 30mins before lads came in grab the cues and balls and anything else they could be thrown at a row of old bill. Wild scenes before the match through the game and after,dont think many paid to get in as bust the gates open. Only problem got back to the cherry tree and are minibus was not very well.thank god there was some top lads on it and a bus from the rising sun would not leave till are minibus was sorted.im sure the plymouth harold paper called it cowboys and indians.the whole day was mental from start to finish

 

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12 minutes ago, big dosser said:

Plymouth away i think 96/97 now that got to be up there with reading game. Remember parking the minibus behind i think the cherry tree pub.nice game of pool for about 30mins before lads came in grab the cues and balls and anything else they could be thrown at a row of old bill. Wild scenes before the match through the game and after,dont think many paid to get in as bust the gates open. Only problem got back to the cherry tree and are minibus was not very well.thank god there was some top lads on it and a bus from the rising sun would not leave till are minibus was sorted.im sure the plymouth harold paper called it cowboys and indians.the whole day was mental from start to finish

 

Not sure of the year as long ago and went to several Plymouth away at the time, but one Plymouth away we went down the night before (bus load) and the locals got agitated around Union street. Got quite hairy at the time. 

Enjoyed playing Plymouth home and away as always brought loads to AG also. Proper derby games. 

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36 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

Which one, NI?

Phew! I'm so glad I put 'allegedly' in my original post. I was in a rush me lud!

The song in question is Heroes. The lovers were Tony Visconti and his girlfriend at the time who was definitely not Julie Christie. However, Julie was mentioned in Waterloo Sunset by The Kinks....allegedly (!)

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20 minutes ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

 

I was adamant that he, Eric Idle, 'sang' on the album, whilst you remained adamant he didn't, even going so far as to ask me whether you 'needed to spell it out'!

I was really, really pleased with myself for that quip. I doubt if many got it but if you know The Rutles Album you'll love the Cheese And Onions track which is a spoof of Across The Universe with A Day in The Life type of ending! "Do I have to spell it out" sang Neil with the next line being C -H -E -E -S -E A -N- D -O -N -I -O -N -S!

Anyway, I didn't reply, even though I was convinced I was right and you were wrong, but I was left with a nagging doubt, as you appeared to have some connection with, if I recall correctly, both Neil Innes and George Harrison.

If only Phil. No idea what I must have said. The closest I've ever got to a Beatle was at  Macca's Wembley Arena gig around 1990.

 

 

Just now, Norn Iron said:

 

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28 minutes ago, Norn Iron said:

Anyway, I didn't reply, even though I was convinced I was right and you were wrong, but I was left with a nagging doubt, as you appeared to have some connection with, if I recall correctly, both Neil Innes and George Harrison.

If only Phil. No idea what I must have said. The closest I've ever got to a Beatle was at  Macca's Wembley Arena gig around 1990.

It was quite some time ago, but, from memory, you mentioned something about NI and GH sitting around at night, discussing music and playing some music/songs together - or something like that....

8 minutes ago, Norn Iron said:

Phil,

I know Wikipedia isn't 100% accurate but both Rutle entries (album and film) state that Neil and Ollie sang the lead vocals. Not Eric who mimed. Very interested to have a link to prove otherwise!

 

You are probably correct.

I am not sure my 'recollection' came from WIKI; rather from my memory, the same memory that convinced me that Mary H was plural. 

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1 hour ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

It was quite some time ago, but, from memory, you mentioned something about NI and GH sitting around at night, discussing music and playing some music/songs together - or something like 

Yep. I did say that! Your memory is great apart from somehow thinking I was there.....if only! They sang Ouch! amongst other songs.

 

 

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4 hours ago, Norn Iron said:

Superb Phil! I knew most but not all of the above. Never knew about the Russian folk song links!

And of course Mary married Tony Visconti who gets mentioned having a kiss with Julie Christie allegedly in a famous David Bowie song!

The laughing gnome?

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11 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

On David`s last tour he had an online poll for fans to vote for a classic and he would perform the song that won.

Guess what did? The great man refused to do it as he has always hated it.

And so many great puns.

London School of Econgnomics being the best! 

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On 12/01/2022 at 23:57, sglosbcfc said:

In more recent times I remember winning at Cardiff when Scott Murray did 'that celebration' after scoring. After the match I had to get across the Ninian Park car park to get to my motor. There was a full scale riot and the Soul Crew were driving back the South Wales Police. I turned to one copper and said 'I have to get across the car park' he just grinned and said 'good luck, we can't help you because we have lost control' I still don't really know how I made it across, I kept looking at my feet and walking, I felt breath on my neck more than once but just didn't look up. The vicious atmosphere was such that if I'd been hit to the ground I really think there would have been a good chance of me being killed.

Very happy to have waited in the shelter of the rear open doors of an Old Billmobile in the car park, as some of ours had been bricked.

Could see the getaway car in the distance, just couldn't get to it.

To be fair the copper called it right as once they let City out from that hellhole behind the gates where we were fodder for their bricks, the Old Bill let Cardiff burn themselves out as their attention very quickly turned from City to the Cardiff directors against whom they were protesting. The rear of the stand took one hellava beating.

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On 17/01/2022 at 15:41, PHILINFRANCE said:

Thanks.

Another (trivia) subject I meant to raise with you some time ago concerns The Rutles - I think that we discussed them in a thread about Neil Innes.

Whilst my original 1970s 'The Rutles' album has long since disappeared, I was convinced that one of the lead singers on the album was Eric Idle, notably singing 'I Must be In Love' and 'With a Girl Like You'. 

I was adamant that he, Eric Idle, 'sang' on the album, whilst you remained adamant he didn't, even going so far as to ask me whether you 'needed to spell it out'!

Anyway, I didn't reply, even though I was convinced I was right and you were wrong, but I was left with a nagging doubt, as you appeared to have some connection with, if I recall correctly, both Neil Innes and George Harrison.

Well, to cut a long story short, I recently came across a 'mockumentary' entitled 'All You Need is Cash', co-directed by Eric Idle, who, of course, sang both 'I Must be In Love' and 'With a Girl Like You' in the film.

Ha, Touché!

Except....

I read up on some background to the film and discovered that Eric Idle sang both songs in the film/mockumentary, but not on the original 'The Rutles' album.

Luckily, I didn't reply (angrily) to your earlier post ?

I've the anniversary edition of the 'All You Need Is Cash' DVD and on Idle's directors notes, he relates he was seriously unwell when the album was recorded so yes, you're right in he sings in the movie but not on the record.

As for 'Cheese & Onions', there's that fine McCartney quote that it's '..the greatest Beatles song never written by the Beatles.'

 

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On 17/01/2022 at 15:43, big dosser said:

Plymouth away i think 96/97 now that got to be up there with reading game.

No comparison. Pasties saw kids running up and down the street pointing and shouting with little in the ground. Reading: on the terrace it was as though McAlpine's had turned up and begun digging footings for a towerblock......

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