The Dolman Pragmatist Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 39 minutes ago, Notbarrymanc said: Also, to play devils advocaat, Hughton will cost more. If it’s true that he wants control of transfers we’ll see less players brought in for the future, more players brought in for now, with less resell potential. Whereas Gerrard will bring money in immediately on a commercial level, as well as cost less as he will play youth etc. Devil’s advocaat? I think I had a few glasses of that on a night out in Amsterdam once... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 Just now, The Dolman Pragmatist said: Devil’s advocaat? I think I had a few glasses of that on a night out in Amsterdam once... He didn't last long at Sunderland but had a good stint with Dutch national team... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChubStixx Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 Pursuits like this always seem to lead to disappointment for us, but if you don't try... Think I'd prefer CH myself though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: Devil’s advocaat? I think I had a few glasses of that on a night out in Amsterdam once... Be careful, these things can easily snowball....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 42 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: By ‘prove himself’ I meant Gerrard needs to take a more challenging job than the one he’s got at Rangers - if he could improve a club in the championship and show he can develop players and motivate a squad to make real progress then I will be more convinced he can be trusted at the helm of Liverpool in four or five years time Like Lampard, I think if they were looking for a new manager, he will get the job on trust, purely due to the legend status he has with the fans. Though a lot depends on how Klopp follows up this season. He could be Liverpool's Ferguson and be there another 20 years and bring them huge success. Did Lampard really do anything at Derby to deserve an immediate hike up the ranks to be in charge of one of the biggest clubs in world football? Not in my opinion, but he got the job because of who he was and not what he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City oz Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 9 minutes ago, ChubStixx said: Pursuits like this always seem to lead to disappointment for us, but if you don't try... Think I'd prefer CH myself though. Nah second choice Robbie Fowler my money is on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 1 hour ago, GrahamC said: Mick McCarthy presumably applied, based on the fact that the media were quickly made aware of his “interest”. Plus as he looks like he’s getting the Brum job, I reckon Aitor Karanka probably has, too. We don’t know who else has, but if as now appears to be likely, we haven’t seriously considered a manager who has won the Championship title (twice), qualified for a World Cup & the Euros playoffs, it is a reasonable assumption to make that there were quality applicants. If Mick McCarthy, a manager you correctly state has won the Championship title twice, kept an Ipswich team in the Championship for years on a budget that even the Blue Few Manager would be moaning about, qualified for a World Cup and reached a Euro's play off with a very limited Ireland team, did apply for our job it would be interesting to know why he was unable to make the apparent "final four" shortlist behind Ryan Lowe and Lee Bowyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: Like Lampard, I think if they were looking for a new manager, he will get the job on trust, purely due to the legend status he has with the fans. Though a lot depends on how Klopp follows up this season. He could be Liverpool's Ferguson and be there another 20 years and bring them huge success. Did Lampard really do anything at Derby to deserve an immediate hike up the ranks to be in charge of one of the biggest clubs in world football? Not in my opinion, but he got the job because of who he was and not what he did. At 53, twenty years is unlikely. At a guess from one or two comments I've read, Klopp may only want four/five years more. Gerrard needs two to three in a tough league before going back to Liverpool as number two for a period before a seamless move to number one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Island Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 1 hour ago, mozo said: Angus weighing it up... Wonder who he’s talking about for less glamour. McCarthy maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malvern Red Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 1 hour ago, mozo said: Angus weighing it up... It’s just like choosing between the two main characters in the Mayor of Casterbridge by Thomas Hardy. It did not end well for the SG character Henchard... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingswoodactor Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 29 minutes ago, Notbarrymanc said: Wages would have been huge on all of them - Knockaert, Zamora and Sidwell especially. Yeah but my point being, were their wages at the time back in 2016, any more than we've paid in the past for players like David James, Gary ONeil? Or this season with players like Kalas, Afobe. Sure Benkovic wont have been cheap either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lez Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 I personally would be happy with Mick Mccarthey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Kingswoodactor said: Yeah but my point being, were their wages at the time back in 2016, any more than we've paid in the past for players like David James, Gary ONeil? Or this season with players like Kalas, Afobe. Sure Benkovic wont have been cheap either. Or simply add up the wages of the totally "wasted" players in our squad, ones who have done alright (nothing more) when loaned out to league 2, are literally 15th choice substitute in the pecking order and who will NEVER play for us at Championship level, and that will give you a decent player or two that you can bring in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 9 minutes ago, cidered abroad said: At 53, twenty years is unlikely. At a guess from one or two comments I've read, Klopp may only want four/five years more. Gerrard needs two to three in a tough league before going back to Liverpool as number two for a period before a seamless move to number one. I thought Klopp was a bit younger than that! Must be that infectious smile...! I agree, I think Lampard got the job far too soon, after a fairly average spell with Derby, though he is doing a good job so it's not to say it wouldn't work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 34 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: Devil’s advocaat? I think I had a few glasses of that on a night out in Amsterdam once... Didn’t he manage Sunderland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 8 minutes ago, Lez said: I personally would be happy with Mick Mccarthey. Well by all means give it a go, but he’s happily married and Fiona wouldn’t like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.D Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 44 minutes ago, Notbarrymanc said: Wages would have been huge on all of them - Knockaert, Zamora and Sidwell especially. It was well known in Sussex that Brighton had a salary cap for themselves in the champioship, wages no bigger than what we are paying.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lez Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 Just now, Leveller said: Well by all means give it a go, but he’s happily married and Fiona wouldn’t like it. What a strange thing to type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Lez said: What a strange thing to type. Re-read your original post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeRed Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 9 minutes ago, Lez said: I personally would be happy with Mick Mccarthey. That's reassuring and good to hear. I personally would be happy knowing you're happy. Clearly Mick would be happy as well. Happy times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 21 minutes ago, Lez said: I personally would be happy with Mick Mccarthey. I really rate McCarthy as a manager but it comes down to the same concern as I have with Hughton - albeit even more so in McCarthy's case - which is that we've had an entire season of our team underperforming when asked to play in a rigid tactical system which emphasises the players weaknesses but doesn't utilise the players strengths. And then we've looked our best recently in the games such as Boro (and, even though we drew, the first half against Stoke) where we've played in a much more fluid way and players have been able to get on with what they do well. McCarthy tends to favour a very rigid tactical system whereas we have full-backs that play better as wing-backs, wide players that aren't really out and out wingers, Diedhiou is a slightly unconventional target man and Wells drops deep quite a lot for an out and out striker. Short of jettisoning the whole squad and starting over - which would be a daft thing to do given there is talent coming through - I think we need a manager who will get the best out of players available and not one who will try to mould the players to a fit a very precise system and way of playing when it is not to their strengths. McCarthy is a good manager who is very underrated and there are clubs where I'd say he would do a great job (i think he'd work at Cardiff, for example and Preston could do far worse if they lost Alex Neil, for example). But I just don't think he is the right person to get the best out of the players we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 1 minute ago, LondonBristolian said: I really rate McCarthy as a manager but it comes down to the same concern as I have with Hughton - albeit even more so in McCarthy's case - which is that we've had an entire season of our team underperforming when asked to play in a rigid tactical system which emphasises the players weaknesses but doesn't utilise the players strengths. And then we've looked our best recently in the games such as Boro (and, even though we drew, the first half against Stoke) where we've played in a much more fluid way and players have been able to get on with what they do well. McCarthy tends to favour a very rigid tactical system whereas we have full-backs that play better as wing-backs, wide players that aren't really out and out wingers, Diedhiou is a slightly unconventional target man and Wells drops deep quite a lot for an out and out striker. Short of jettisoning the whole squad and starting over - which would be a daft thing to do given there is talent coming through - I think we need a manager who will get out of players available and not one who will try to mould the players to a fit a very precise system and way of playing when it is not to their strengths. McCarthy is a good manager who is very underrated and there are clubs where I'd say he would do a great job (i think he'd work at Cardiff, for example and Preston could do far worse if they lost Alex Neil, for example). But I just don't think he is the right person to get the best out of the players we have. Yeah but if he’s leaving his wife to be with Lez, has he got the right DNA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 32 minutes ago, Numero Uno said: If Mick McCarthy, a manager you correctly state has won the Championship title twice, kept an Ipswich team in the Championship for years on a budget that even the Blue Few Manager would be moaning about, qualified for a World Cup and reached a Euro's play off with a very limited Ireland team, did apply for our job it would be interesting to know why he was unable to make the apparent "final four" shortlist behind Ryan Lowe and Lee Bowyer. My guess (and of course it is only a guess) is that he really doesn’t fit the model we have with Ashton’s involvement in transfers. McCarthy has been around long enough to know how it all works, the fact that the media reported almost as soon as LJ left that he was interested, suggests to me that he was. That he hasn’t featured in any links since, also suggests that we weren’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notbarrymanc Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, Leveller said: Yeah but if he’s leaving his wife to be with Lez, has he got the right DNA? Sounds like he’ll have a bit more quite soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 11 minutes ago, M.D said: It was well known in Sussex that Brighton had a salary cap for themselves in the champioship, wages no bigger than what we are paying.. Not true at all. Our wage budget was £17.9m in the season they went up. Theirs was £40.0m, plus they had £9.0m in promotion “costs”. Their turnover was £29m vs ours of £14.3 Hughton isn’t necessarily a “cheaper” option than Gerrard, but we are all subjectively speculating so much about all of the candidates from he’ll want too high wages he’ll want £30m for transfers he’ll play x system etc It’s a forum so nobody is doing anything wrong, but it is interesting to see certain statements as fact that aren’t fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeRed Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, GrahamC said: My guess (and of course it is only a guess) is that he really doesn’t fit the model we have with Ashton’s involvement in transfers. McCarthy has been around long enough to know how it all works, the fact that the media reported almost as soon as LJ left that he was interested, suggests to me that he was. That he hasn’t featured in any links since, also suggests that we weren’t. Lansdown still hopes to persuade Stevie G to join. Doing everything he can. He sent him a puppy yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redrascal2 Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 35 minutes ago, Lez said: I personally would be happy with Mick Mccarthey. Knowing a few Ipswich fans, they were overjoyed when he left them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperDziek Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, Redrascal2 said: Knowing a few Ipswich fans, they were overjoyed when he left them. And how do they feel now?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lez Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, Redrascal2 said: Knowing a few Ipswich fans, they were overjoyed when he left them. And where are Ipswich now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 A Houghton or McCarthy type would be the most sensible choice if we were a club like Norwich who continually gain promotion from the Championship. But with only one trip to the Top Tier in 110 years, we need a big impetus to change the cosy mindset of so many involved with City, within and without the club, and an iconic leader like Gerrard could be like lighting the blue touch paper and watching the explosion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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