Davefevs Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Firstly, thoughts with those losing their jobs. Not good news, and nor will timing with a new managerial appointment. Secondly, £8m losses. AG Ltd is part of Bristol City Holdings and it’s accounts are what we use to submit our FFP numbers. Some of that £8m will be netted off of Bristol City FC, e.g. Football side won’t have to pay for certain services, because they’ve not used them, but this company structure is generally used to help our FFP submission. Mark Ashton mentioned austerity. This certainly backs it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrizzleRed Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Curious timing. Hope this isn’t being done to prepare us for a less than inspiring Head Coach appointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLRed Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 No doubt sales of fam and eliasson will be used to balance books rather than provide some kind of transfer kitty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 9 minutes ago, BOSRed said: No doubt sales of fam and eliasson will be used to balance books rather than provide some kind of transfer kitty. I think they would anyway. But I honestly don't think we need a lot. At most could do with a new right back*, new left back cover**, one more midfielder***, a replacement for Fam**** and maybe a replacement for Afobe. *though you could argue Vyner can step up. **though you could argue Rowe has never let us down. ***if Smith goes ****if he goes If we can move on a few players to free up funds for those players, all well and good. But I really hope the new manager is a fan of evolution rather than revolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Sad, but inevitable. No corporate events, no concerts, no food and no drink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 23, 2020 Author Share Posted July 23, 2020 14 minutes ago, BrizzleRed said: Curious timing. Hope this isn’t being done to prepare us for a less than inspiring Head Coach appointment. To give enough notice for end of Furlough scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 15 minutes ago, BrizzleRed said: Curious timing. Isn't the furlough scheme changing soon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Shame. Tough times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said: Isn't the furlough scheme changing soon? Yep scheme changes from 1st August. AGL won't be the only one doing this, sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Desperately sad for anyone losing their jobs or affected by it. The announcement of a new manager - especially a big name - may be quite a bitter pill for them to swallow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yank Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Hate to hear that tough time to be losing your job.Thoughts with those affected.I am fortunate as it were to work in an in demand field(Mental health) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said: Desperately sad for anyone losing their jobs or affected by it. The announcement of a new manager - especially a big name - may be quite a bitter pill for them to swallow. Football club and stadium are separate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Lrrr said: Football club and stadium are separate I realise that. But I'd imagine the businesses and their finances/employees are nonetheless linked enough for people to feel a connection... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave L Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Very sad news this. Some good people will lose their jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 23, 2020 Author Share Posted July 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, Lrrr said: Football club and stadium are separate But......joined together under Bristol City Holdings....which as I state above, directly affect our FFP position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Just now, Davefevs said: But......joined together under Bristol City Holdings....which as I stare above, directly affect our FFP position. True but more talking about people on social media who talk about club spending being shameful in this position, don't think we could send money to AG company to help them if you get what I mean, but people still blame the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said: I realise that. But I'd imagine the businesses and their finances/employees are nonetheless linked enough for people to feel a connection... No, the clubs finances aren't linked, its a separate company, Those losing their jobs will come from all parts of the stadium operation Its sad but millions could be in the same boat soon thanks to covid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 23, 2020 Author Share Posted July 23, 2020 Just now, Monkeh said: No, the clubs finances aren't linked, its a separate company, Those losing their jobs will come from all parts of the stadium operation Its sad but millions could be in the same boat soon thanks to covid Part of same holding company though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: Part of same holding company though. Ffp is calculated on the football clubs finances not the holding companies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, Monkeh said: No, the clubs finances aren't linked, its a separate company, Those losing their jobs will come from all parts of the stadium operation Its sad but millions could be in the same boat soon thanks to covid As @Davefevs says, it is a separate company but linked through ownership so it's only natural people will think "the owners are prepared to put the money here but not here". I'm not saying that's a fair or valid thing to think and it's obviously way more complicated than that but, if a company make you redundant whilst making an ambitious appointment in another related business they own, it would be natural for people to feel a bit ambivalent about that As you say, millions will be in the same boat. The events industry is going to go through a tsunami in the months to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 23, 2020 Author Share Posted July 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Monkeh said: Ffp is calculated on the football clubs finances not the holding companies No it’s not....I’m 100% sure of this. It’s why I continually quote the structure because of it’s relevance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said: As @Davefevs says, it is a separate company but linked through ownership so it's only natural people will think "the owners are prepared to put the money here but not here". I'm not saying that's a fair or valid thing to think and it's obviously way more complicated than that but, if a company make you redundant whilst making an ambitious appointment in another related business they own, it would be natural for people to feel a bit ambivalent about that As you say, millions will be in the same boat. The events industry is going to go through a tsunami in the months to come. yea sadly and it will be the events side that is hardest hit at ashton gate I suspect, that and the conference centre thing as more businesses embrace the likes of Microsoft teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EstoniaTallinnRed Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 13 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said: Desperately sad for anyone losing their jobs or affected by it. The announcement of a new manager - especially a big name - may be quite a bitter pill for them to swallow. Unfortunately, it's the way of the World. I myself was made redundant 5, yes 5 times during Mrs Thatchers rein of terror and times were hard, still I managed to find work and got by. I know it's not exactly the same as this situation and it will be hard for everyone who loses their job because of this crisis, but in my experience most people are very adaptable and will always find a way to survive and even improve sometimes, I know I did. I wish everyone who is in this position good luck and never give up what ever happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: No it’s not....I’m 100% sure of this. It’s why I continually quote the structure because of it’s relevance. so do they take the rugby clubs finances into account as well as they are part of Bristol sport which is part of Bristol city holdings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 31 minutes ago, Davefevs said: To give enough notice for end of Furlough scheme. 31 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said: Isn't the furlough scheme changing soon? Indeed, but why should anyone let that get in the way of a dig? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Monkeh said: so do they take the rugby clubs finances into account as well as they are part of Bristol sport which is part of Bristol city holdings? Nope, Bristol Sport isn't part of the Bristol City Holdings group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Sad news for those affected. I hope the consultation pricess goes well and those that want/need them find alternative employment quickly. Makes me glad I'm now retired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 23, 2020 Author Share Posted July 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Monkeh said: so do they take the rugby clubs finances into account as well as they are part of Bristol sport which is part of Bristol city holdings? No, the structure of Bristol City Holdings, contains 2 businesses: Bristol City Football Club Ltd Ashton Gate Stadium Ltd Bristol Sport Ltd is separate, but part of Pula. Bristol Rugby club pay rent to AGS Ltd, as do BCFC Ltd. Both Rugby and Football pay Bristol Sport for ticketing, media etc. Thanks to @Coppellofor the initial pic which I added the scribble to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, EstoniaTallinnRed said: Unfortunately, it's the way of the World. I myself was made redundant 5, yes 5 times during Mrs Thatchers rein of terror and times were hard, still I managed to find work and got by. I know it's not exactly the same as this situation and it will be hard for everyone who loses their job because of this crisis, but in my experience most people are very adaptable and will always find a way to survive and even improve sometimes, I know I did. I wish everyone who is in this position good luck and never give up what ever happens. Agreed. I think the only positive, if there is such a thing, is there is every reason to think that, once the threat of COVID has receded to safe level, the events industry will return to full capacity. Hopefully, in a year or two, those jobs will return and businesses will need more staff again. It doesn't help anyone who needs that work for the next year or two though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrizzleRed Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 24 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said: Isn't the furlough scheme changing soon? True, as Davefevs just pointed out. I hadn’t thought of that, but coming at the point we’re expecting to hear who the new HC is going to be, I wondered if this was more than a coincidence. Really sorry for all the staff involved though. The whole furlough scheme was supposed to be tiding businesses over until revenue starts flowing again, so it’s disappointing this is happening now. I’d hope something could be done with the ffp rules, just to give clubs some leeway to absorb some of the losses from this hellish year and save some jobs in the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Just now, Davefevs said: No, the structure of Bristol City Holdings, contains 2 businesses: Bristol City Football Club Ltd Ashton Gate Stadium Ltd Bristol Sport Ltd is separate, but part of Pula. Bristol Rugby club pay rent to AGS Ltd, as do BCFC Ltd. Both Rugby and Football pay Bristol Sport for ticketing, media etc. Thanks to @Coppellofor the initial pic which I added the scribble to. confusing, Anyway thanks dave, I dont think it effects the footballing side of things, plans were always going to be reduced next season due to covid, all clubs are going to be in the same boat, If the efl/epl had any sense they would let owners support clubs a bit more until the crisis is over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 23, 2020 Author Share Posted July 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, BrizzleRed said: True, as Davefevs just pointed out. I hadn’t thought of that, but coming at the point we’re expecting to hear who the new HC is going to be, I wondered if this was more than a coincidence. Really sorry for all the staff involved though. The whole furlough scheme was supposed to be tiding businesses over until revenue starts flowing again, so it’s disappointing this is happening now. I’d hope something could be done with the ffp rules, just to give clubs some leeway to absorb some of the losses from this hellish year and save some jobs in the process. Yes, still waiting to hear what the EFL intends to do re FFP. There was talk of deferring for one year and making the next reporting cycle a 4 year cycle. So it would be £52m over 4 years instead of £39 over 3. But we still don’t know re things like salary cap etc. 1 minute ago, Monkeh said: confusing, Anyway thanks dave, I dont think it effects the footballing side of things, plans were always going to be reduced next season due to covid, all clubs are going to be in the same boat, If the efl/epl had any sense they would let owners support clubs a bit more until the crisis is over Agree, on the overall impact. Assuming Hughton is appointed, would love to hear him come out and say something like: I’ve got a decent squad here, some good young players ready to fight for a place, and I just need a player here or there and I’m ready to go. Sort of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 87 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 7 minutes ago, Monkeh said: confusing, Anyway thanks dave, I dont think it effects the footballing side of things, plans were always going to be reduced next season due to covid, all clubs are going to be in the same boat, If the efl/epl had any sense they would let owners support clubs a bit more until the crisis is over Be interesting to see how player market values are affected as we go through ‘pre-season’. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 doesn’t sit well with me we have a billionaire owner and are prepared to pay underperforming players anywhere between 10 and 30 grand a week while people earning that in a year are being made redundant. just not right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 1 minute ago, frenchred said: doesn’t sit well with me we have a billionaire owner and are prepared to pay underperforming players anywhere between 10 and 30 grand a week while people earning that in a year are being made redundant. just not right Thats capitalism for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Sinclair Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 I'm getting worried about the furlough scheme now - been on it since 8th June, not a peep from my firm as to what their intentions are, just been left in limbo (I suspect it will end in redundancy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 1 minute ago, frenchred said: doesn’t sit well with me we have a billionaire owner and are prepared to pay underperforming players anywhere between 10 and 30 grand a week while people earning that in a year are being made redundant. just not right Again club and AG two different businesses, AG are a hospitality business whose income stream has been cut off, football club get our income primarily from tv deal etc which is in place and lose a not insignificant but not devastating amount (for us at any rate) through the loss of match day income. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Just now, Lrrr said: Again club and AG two different businesses, AG are a hospitality business whose income stream has been cut off, football club get our income primarily from tv deal etc which is in place and lose a not insignificant but not devastating amount (for us at any rate) through the loss of match day income. quite frankly how the club is structured to dodge taxes i don’t give a flying **** about. at the end of the day it’s all owned by the same bloke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Just now, frenchred said: quite frankly how the club is structured to dodge taxes i don’t give a flying **** about. at the end of the day it’s all owned by the same bloke You don't tend to be taxed on losses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 1 minute ago, frenchred said: quite frankly how the club is structured to dodge taxes i don’t give a flying **** about. at the end of the day it’s all owned by the same bloke We don't own AG so in the case of the club being in financial trouble the stadium can't be used as an asset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Just now, Lrrr said: We don't own AG so in the case of the club being in financial trouble the stadium can't be used as an asset as i said just a tax dodge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 1 minute ago, frenchred said: as i said just a tax dodge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 21 minutes ago, frenchred said: quite frankly how the club is structured to dodge taxes i don’t give a flying **** about. at the end of the day it’s all owned by the same bloke Im pretty sure the club are paying all taxes due, If they aren't then we've got alot more to worry about then event staff being made redundant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redsi2 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Is this likely to be people that work matchdays in say the shop or food/drinks outlets who were part time/Saturday jobs or more full time jobs? If so its unfortunate that even though furlough is ending there are just no events for them to work at. We can just hope that when normality returns the jobs will return. Thoughts are with everyone affected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BasSavage88 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 9 minutes ago, Redsi2 said: Is this likely to be people that work matchdays in say the shop or food/drinks outlets who were part time/Saturday jobs or more full time jobs? If so its unfortunate that even though furlough is ending there are just no events for them to work at. We can just hope that when normality returns the jobs will return. Thoughts are with everyone affected. Majority of those let go will be from the meetings and events teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Thoughts with all those affected. The points about FFP could be a bit of a red herring tbh. The biggest FFP related or general related wage cost will surely be the players, by far. Or maybe the football operations. Matchday staff would only get paid on a Matchday anyway, so unsure what difference it makes. No matchday, no matchday staff cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 The other way to look at it, and those complaining, should the club continue to pay employees if they arent doing anything because their job no longer exists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Don't know if eg appointing Hughton and this being announced same day is good optics. The optics I don't think would look good. Would average Casual Observer analyse in depth especially the club structure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TedsHeadIs Red Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 57 minutes ago, frenchred said: quite frankly how the club is structured to dodge taxes i don’t give a flying **** about. at the end of the day it’s all owned by the same bloke Quite right. Technicalities about how companies are split up are not relevant to the fact that redundancies are being made and players and managers are being paid shedloads all under one umbrella organisation. But this applies to all clubs in the upper echelons, not just us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 59 minutes ago, Monkeh said: The other way to look at it, and those complaining, should the club continue to pay employees if they arent doing anything because their job no longer exists? We carried on paying players gross sums when they weren't doing their jobs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamite Red Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 This is very unfortunate and my heart goes out to those affected but as has been said all businesses need to cut its cloth to remain viable and keep others in employment. With no hospitality events for months and in the near future difficult decisions need to be made. Ashton Gate Ltd is a business not a charity. Unemployment is about to sky rocket and times have changed, many of these jobs either no longer exist or are not coming back in the short-term. Sad times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Monkeh said: Thats capitalism for you Always makes me sad that people have clung to this system that ***** them up the arse so frequently. Anyway, very very sad for anyone who has lost their job. It'll only get worse around the country now I fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 23 minutes ago, frenchred said: We carried on paying players gross sums when they weren't doing their jobs! They would still have been required to report in, keep fit, be monitored etc. They weren't on holiday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, MarcusX said: They would still have been required to report in, keep fit, be monitored etc. They weren't on holiday I'm on about when the season resumed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidoldfart Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 2 hours ago, frenchred said: quite frankly how the club is structured to dodge taxes i don’t give a flying **** about. at the end of the day it’s all owned by the same bloke Think you will find that it is not set up to avoid taxes but to run each separate business more effectively..you would be the first to complain if the Stadium income from hospitality and concerts effected the Football Club FFP status ,and reduced the opportunity to attract good players. On 20/07/2020 at 09:22, Major Isewater said: ‘ someone like Hughton’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In the Net Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Feel sorry for the people who will be affected by this. Having attended an event last summer, I can say that all the staff we encountered, (which were quite a few, as we forgot our tickets), were very efficient, friendly and helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 27 minutes ago, davidoldfart said: Think you will find that it is not set up to avoid taxes but to run each separate business more effectively..you would be the first to complain if the Stadium income from hospitality and concerts effected the Football Club FFP status ,and reduced the opportunity to attract good players. Bristol City Holdings is for FFP anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redordead1 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 3 hours ago, LondonBristolian said: Agreed. I think the only positive, if there is such a thing, is there is every reason to think that, once the threat of COVID has receded to safe level, the events industry will return to full capacity. Hopefully, in a year or two, those jobs will return and businesses will need more staff again. It doesn't help anyone who needs that work for the next year or two though. The events industry won't ever get back to how it was before. Large scale conferences were on the way out due to environmental concerns and pressure over excessive travel anyway and those who create and book the events have realised they can do more creative things online with a clearer ROI. People won't be so accepting of taking time out and away from their families anymore either. All of this is without the damage that COVID has done in terms of added H&S and distancing requirements driving down profitability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 1 hour ago, redordead1 said: The events industry won't ever get back to how it was before. Large scale conferences were on the way out due to environmental concerns and pressure over excessive travel anyway and those who create and book the events have realised they can do more creative things online with a clearer ROI. People won't be so accepting of taking time out and away from their families anymore either. All of this is without the damage that COVID has done in terms of added H&S and distancing requirements driving down profitability. Sorry - was talking more about live events rather than conferencing and business events. Realise that will be very different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 3 hours ago, Dynamite Red said: This is very unfortunate and my heart goes out to those affected but as has been said all businesses need to cut its cloth to remain viable and keep others in employment. With no hospitality events for months and in the near future difficult decisions need to be made. Ashton Gate Ltd is a business not a charity. Unemployment is about to sky rocket and times have changed, many of these jobs either no longer exist or are not coming back in the short-term. Sad times. It’s just an indication that they can’t see the renenue they used to have returning anyt8me soon. A lot of AG was used on a daily basis preCovid, anything from conferences, parties, blood doning, driver awareness courses to exams and everything inbetween. All this income has gone. The place is pretty much a giant food bank most days for the past few months. Before anyone slates SL I heard he has been pretty reasonable to his staff on furlough, below a certain salary cap he has topped up the furlough pay so they have got full pay, he didn’t have to do this. But of course it can’t go on forever. It’s happening everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 15 minutes ago, RedM said: It’s just an indication that they can’t see the renenue they used to have returning anyt8me soon. A lot of AG was used on a daily basis preCovid, anything from conferences, parties, blood doning, driver awareness courses to exams and everything inbetween. All this income has gone. The place is pretty much a giant food bank most days for the past few months. Before anyone slates SL I heard he has been pretty reasonable to his staff on furlough, below a certain salary cap he has topped up the furlough pay so they have got full pay, he didn’t have to do this. But of course it can’t go on forever. It’s happening everywhere. You sure? Maybe, but these things as we've seen elsewhere have a habit of finding their way into the press or media- there was no particular report on it unlike other clubs or organisations. Elsewhere it's even been announced officially as part of a measure- it's good optics after all. Jury out on that, methinks- yet it does sound the sort of thing he would have done tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Even though this is terrible - imagine the L1/L2/NL clubs who literally live on the breadline. It WILL be terminal for many of them i fear unless englishfootball.plc come together, i.e the PL cough up the cash as a fund to save the lower leagues. The government wont as their pockets have been stretched deep. Absolutely horrible situation. Be thankful we have been financially prudent - we will get hit hard but not as hard as others who have spunked money away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Everyone lucky enough to still have a job paying their taxes to help the country get through this... ...meanwhile on Guernsey "Lay people off" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said: Even though this is terrible - imagine the L1/L2/NL clubs who literally live on the breadline. It WILL be terminal for many of them i fear unless englishfootball.plc come together, i.e the PL cough up the cash as a fund to save the lower leagues. The government wont as their pockets have been stretched deep. Absolutely horrible situation. Be thankful we have been financially prudent - we will get hit hard but not as hard as others who have spunked money away I certainly think a number of clubs will be in deep trouble and lots of players will be offered salaries of half the amount they are on now, take it or leave it. However the majority of the Premiership will leave the rest to it and carry on as if nothing has happened. Tough times for many and we could see a number of relegations in the next season or two decided by the balance sheet, not points. It’s been said Wigan are just the start and I believe it tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Numero Uno said: Tough times for many and we could see a number of relegations in the next season or two decided by the balance sheet, not points. It’s been said Wigan are just the start and I believe it tbh. FFP is going to have to go out of the window for CV19. Common sense needed but i dont have much faith the the EFL. Too political and up the arse of the "big" clubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said: FFP is going to have to go out of the window for CV19. Common sense needed but i dont have much faith the the EFL. Too political and up the arse of the "big" clubs Reform rather than scrap IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 11 minutes ago, Welcome To The Jungle said: Everyone lucky enough to still have a job paying their taxes to help the country get through this... ...meanwhile on Guernsey "Lay people off" I’m sure Steve Lansdown could justify his lifetime personal tax liability to you if he needed to not to mention the taxes his company pays and indirect taxation he has created through making others wealthy. More importantly, however, I have no doubt that the amount he saves on tax is pretty much going into our football club and allowing you the privilege of watching Marley Watkins on a Saturday afternoon....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 26 minutes ago, Numero Uno said: I’m sure Steve Lansdown could justify his lifetime personal tax liability to you if he needed to not to mention the taxes his company pays and indirect taxation he has created through making others wealthy. More importantly, however, I have no doubt that the amount he saves on tax is pretty much going into our football club and allowing you the privilege of watching Marley Watkins on a Saturday afternoon....... I don't attend matches anymore since he whacked up prices for disabled fans and re-branded Bristol Rugby ala Vincent Tan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 23, 2020 Author Share Posted July 23, 2020 39 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said: FFP is going to have to go out of the window for CV19. Common sense needed but i dont have much faith the the EFL. Too political and up the arse of the "big" clubs Talk of extending the reporting cycle by 1 year, so that the next one is next season and will be 4 years worth (instead of 3)....giving clubs a two year period to get their house in order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sticks 1969 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 6 hours ago, EstoniaTallinnRed said: Unfortunately, it's the way of the World. I myself was made redundant 5, yes 5 times during Mrs Thatchers rein of terror and times were hard, still I managed to find work and got by. I know it's not exactly the same as this situation and it will be hard for everyone who loses their job because of this crisis, but in my experience most people are very adaptable and will always find a way to survive and even improve sometimes, I know I did. I wish everyone who is in this position good luck and never give up what ever happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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