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2 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

Undisclosed.

I'd be surprised if it was as low as 2.25m - yes, contract running out, financial situation, etc etc., but I really can't see it personally. And until an official source confirms it, I'll dismiss it :)

Your privilege.

The French sports media are very good & there is absolutely no reason at all to doubt what numerous sources in France are reporting.

Whoever the buying club was had us over a barrel, once the window closed on Monday we wouldn’t have got a fee for him at all.

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5 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said:

With a year left that’s bloody good business,we all knew he had talent but he just was hit and miss,there is a reason no team in this country has bought him that cheap and that’s because he’s not the good 

How does a player who’s “not that good” get the 3rd highest amount of assists in the league? He’s a winger, it’s his primary job to assist goals and he did. With a minutes/assist ratio far better than that of the players above him. 


 

 

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Just now, Wade Wilson said:

How does a player who’s “not that good” get the 3rd highest amount of assists in the league? He’s a winger, it’s his primary job to assist goals and he did. With a minutes/assist ratio far better than that of the players above him. 


 

 

You tell me because you obviously no more than most managers in this country who would of looked at him and thought nah not worth 2 million 

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1 minute ago, GrahamC said:

Your privilege.

The French sports media are very good & there is absolutely no reason at all to doubt what numerous sources in France are reporting.

Whoever the buying club was had us over a barrel, once the window closed on Monday we wouldn’t have got a fee for him at all.

Indeed.

The domestic window closes on 16th October - not that I think Eliasson would have got a premier league move other than to a team like Villa or WBA who were both allegedly interested. 

Anyway, moot point, he's gone and we'll find out for how much when its disclosed.

 

 

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I would imagine MA would have prioritised a higher % of future transfer rather than a higher transfer fee with only a year left on his deal. 

Mental how people now seem to think that our most creative player last year was not all that. The system now doesn’t fit him yes and it is right for him to go, but he was the shining light in what was ultimately a disappointing team last year. His numbers would have been through the roof if he was played regularly. 

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2 minutes ago, Wade Wilson said:

How does a player who’s “not that good” get the 3rd highest amount of assists in the league? He’s a winger, it’s his primary job to assist goals and he did. With a minutes/assist ratio far better than that of the players above him. 


 

 

Yes, and did not start to often. He is a winger and he does his job. When NE got the ball other players run in to the box, football is sometimes simple. He did not make in this leauge but in ligue1 he will do fine. Happy for him that he went to another Club where he will play. He is far to good to sit on the bench in Englands second division. It LJ played his Cards right last season he still haved be our manager, but he did not. Happy that DH took over and  got a way of playing. Not be surprised If NE is in the swedish team next euro tournament. Good luck Niclas!!!

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12 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said:

You tell me because you obviously no more than most managers in this country who would of looked at him and thought nah not worth 2 million 

There’s not been many transfers above £2m this window and the ones that have been were funded by player sales (and obviously done quite quick) like Brentford getting in Toney. It’s also entirely possible we quoted Championship teams much higher than we quoted Nimes. 
 

It’s also very late in the window and teams that had money and needed wingers have already made their moves. 

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1 minute ago, Wade Wilson said:

There’s not been many transfers above £2m this window and the ones that have been were funded by player sales (and obviously done quite quick) like Brentford getting in Toney. It’s also entirely possible we quoted Championship teams much higher than we quoted Nimes. 
 

It’s also very late in the window and teams that had money and needed wingers have already made their moves. 

Hell of a lot of guessing in that post mate let’s be honest,maybe just maybe they were the only team that wanted him

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4 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said:

Hell of a lot of guessing in that post mate let’s be honest,maybe just maybe they were the only team that wanted him

Maybe they weren’t. Fact of the matter is he was a fantastic asset to us last season and to see him go at all, especially in these circumstances, sucks. 

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1 hour ago, Dolman_Stand said:


Nope, we are selling him because he's out of contract next summer and won't sign a new one. If we categorically will not play with wingers at any point this season why did we bother offering him a new one?

There is no chance we will go through all 46 games this season playing only 3-5-2

 

....and importantly if he was keen to go abroad, in 3 months he could’ve signed a pre-contract agreement and gone for £0 next summer.  You get what fee you can in those circumstances....and save 9 months wages in the process too.

35 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

Undisclosed.

I'd be surprised if it was as low as 2.25m - yes, contract running out, financial situation, etc etc., but I really can't see it personally. And until an official source confirms it, I'll dismiss it :)

I am a bit too, but I guess that’s the market outside the Prem.. I don’t think we will ever get an official fee announced.

35 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said:

With a year left that’s bloody good business,we all knew he had talent but he just was hit and miss,there is a reason no team in this country has bought him that cheap and that’s because he’s not the good 

Yes, if £2.25m is the fee, I’m surprised there wasn’t more interest....but maybe other clubs and their scouts see deficiencies in his game to not want to pay more.

19 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

Indeed.

The domestic window closes on 16th October - not that I think Eliasson would have got a premier league move other than to a team like Villa or WBA who were both allegedly interested. 

Anyway, moot point, he's gone and we'll find out for how much when its disclosed.

 

 

Yep, I think several of us would think a lower Prem team might’ve taken a punt at that price, but if there were no guarantees of a regular start (like here) and Nic harbours ambitions of a Sweden call up....then Villa or West Brom aren’t the right clubs for him either.

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A good deal for all is my my thoughts.

Every time he played for us, offensively he looked dangerous and I like a winger who goes by a man and can cross a ball so I am somewhat biased.

However, facts are this:

- Does not fit into Dean Holden’s preferred system (he is not a wingback and never will be)

- Clearly wants to leave

- For whatever reason, mentioned suitors (Celtic, Villa et al) did not fancy him

Good luck Nic, and go well, could well have been played/managed differently and would either be lining up for us in the Prem at #11, or being sold for £10-15mill, neither of those scenarios are or were beyond the realms when you consider the era he spent with us.

Hindsight is best sight as they say and the way the current managerial/coaching team have started, you have to trust this as best case right now.

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41 minutes ago, Wade Wilson said:

Not too happy tbh, easily one of our best and most talented players. I feel we’re gonna regret this one. 

We mismanaged and underused him the entire time he was here and sold him for pretty much what we bought him for. 
 

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Not wishing to use this as a stick with which to beat LJ, but I think any blame must be attached to our last head coach rather than the club ( we).

LJ’s muddled thinking about tactics and formations, needing enough clubs in the bag and players he could trust resulted in a us not getting the best out of a number of players. 

For all the reservations many had about Holden, it seems to me that he has a clear plan in mind as to how he wants us to play and he also appears to be being pragmatic about the fact that we have a bloated squad and especially a surfeit of midfield players. In making cuts to the squad, and shipping players out, he has to decide which players fit best with the way we are looking to play. Add to that Elliasson’s contract situation ( after the last couple of years he probe;y, and understandably, wants more regular game time, it appears to be a sensible decision for all parties.

The alternative would be to keep him and either compromise the way DG wants us to play in order to accommodate NE, fit him into a 3-5-2 as a square peg in a round hole or change the way we are going to play, all of which would be taking us back towards LJ’s  way of planning and squad management!

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1 minute ago, joe jordans teeth said:

Good money for him mate when he’s clearly not in our plans this season 

There’s no way we play without wingers the entire season, I would’ve liked to have seen him upfront or at CAM if needs be. Nice to get some money, absolutely, just gutted at seeing such a talented entertaining player leave. Especially when O’Dowda and Watkins (even if he is away on loan) are still on our books. 

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1 minute ago, bristolcitysweden said:

A message to LJ; you need the cake before the icing.

And when the seagulls follow the trawler, its because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea.

Or something like that.

 

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2 minutes ago, Wade Wilson said:

There’s no way we play without wingers the entire season, I would’ve liked to have seen him upfront or at CAM if needs be. Nice to get some money, absolutely, just gutted at seeing such a talented entertaining player leave. Especially when O’Dowda and Watkins (even if he is away on loan) are still on our books. 

Holden could easily go 442 at some point, but like Sir Alf go wingless.

I wish Eliasson had been played more on the left in his time here.

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16 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Holden could easily go 442 at some point, but like Sir Alf go wingless.

I wish Eliasson had been played more on the left in his time here.

With our absolute glut of central midfielders we can go wingless or diamond, or the magic 4-2-2-2.

And we can play O'Dowda and Weimann and Paterson on the wings and bring back the glory days of LJ! We can play like, Massengo and Walsh in a midfield 2, get completely overrun and pump the ball long at Fam. It'll be great.

I don't think Eliasson has the physical ability (size/speed) to be a big threat in the Prem. At best IMO he'd look like a David Bentley type (Blackburn not Spurs), where he has excellent passing/crossing but can't beat anyone for pace. David Beckham lite. Good luck to him, think the continent will suit him more than elite English football! 

Seemed like a nice guy, no issues with him. Agree it would have been interesting to see him play left wing and make a team around him. Feels like an acceptable price given the climate and an absence of details. From start to finish think the club has done well with him. It's a shame he didn't perform one year earlier so we could have gotten maximum value out of his sale.

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6 minutes ago, Prinny said:

With our absolute glut of central midfielders we can go wingless or diamond, or the magic 4-2-2-2.

And we can play O'Dowda and Weimann and Paterson on the wings and bring back the glory days of LJ! We can play like, Massengo and Walsh in a midfield 2, get completely overrun and pump the ball long at Fam. It'll be great.

I don't think Eliasson has the physical ability (size/speed) to be a big threat in the Prem. At best IMO he'd look like a David Bentley type (Blackburn not Spurs), where he has excellent passing/crossing but can't beat anyone for pace. David Beckham lite. Good luck to him, think the continent will suit him more than elite English football! 

Seemed like a nice guy, no issues with him. Agree it would have been interesting to see him play left wing and make a team around him. Feels like an acceptable price given the climate and an absence of details. From start to finish think the club has done well with him. It's a shame he didn't perform one year earlier so we could have gotten maximum value out of his sale.

Ah, nostalgia ???

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1 hour ago, joe jordans teeth said:

You tell me because you obviously no more than most managers in this country who would of looked at him and thought nah not worth 2 million 

I wonder if (domestically at least) our reputation for getting big fees is starting to catch up with us and teams may not have approached us expecting we'd demand a big fee, Bobby and Joe for example of players with 1 year left on their contracts.

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57 minutes ago, Wade Wilson said:

There’s no way we play without wingers the entire season, I would’ve liked to have seen him upfront or at CAM if needs be. Nice to get some money, absolutely, just gutted at seeing such a talented entertaining player leave. Especially when O’Dowda and Watkins (even if he is away on loan) are still on our books. 

Diamond could work, our combination of CM's could easily fit the requirements.

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1 hour ago, View from the Dolman said:

Our media team get stick but the announcement from Nimes is about as minimal as they come: http://www.nimes-olympique.com/eliasson-et-aribi-sont-nimois/

 

But, just to make him feel at home, they did take him up to their roof.

Le Nîmes Olympique a annoncé avoir fait signer le milieu gauche suédois de Bristol (D 2 anglaise), Niclas Eliasson, et l'attaquant de pointe algérien de l'Étoile du Sahel (D 1 tunisienne), Karim Aribi.

02 octobre 2020 à 23h29
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Le club gardois a annoncé avoir fait signer le milieu gauche suédois de Bristol (D 2 anglaise), Niclas Eliasson (24 ans), et l'athlétique (1,92 m.) attaquant de pointe algérien de l'Étoile du Sahel (D 1 tunisienne), Karim Aribi (26 ans). Ils se sont engagés respectivement pour quatre et trois saisons.

 

This link might help!

 

https://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Actualites/Transferts-niclas-eliasson-bristol-et-karim-aribi-etoile-du-sahel-ont-signe-a-nimes/1179054

Selon Le Midi Libre, Eliasson aurait coûté plus de trois millions d'euros, contre un pour Aribi, et les deux joueurs qualifiés pourraient être du derby à Montpellier dimanche (13 heures).

 
 
 
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4 minutes ago, erndogz said:

His performances since Christmas have been on the wane. I thought he was very sloppy and not very influential after lockdown. I move was due....onwards for city

oh where are you moving to?

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Sorry to see him go, could have become a legend with proper management. Basically an epitaph to LJ - most promising midfielder for a very long time, proven stats and a former head coach with his head so far up his ..........

enough! The pretender is gone, his understudy seems to have his feet on the ground!

looking forward COYR! 
 

not claiming to be right - but LJ    Is still unemployed! 
took loads of stick for it - but was I wrong? Only time will tell!

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6 minutes ago, dave36 said:

Sorry to see him go, could have become a legend with proper management. Basically an epitaph to LJ - most promising midfielder for a very long time, proven stats and a former head coach with his head so far up his ..........

enough! The pretender is gone, his understudy seems to have his feet on the ground!

looking forward COYR! 
 

not claiming to be right - but LJ    Is still unemployed! 
took loads of stick for it - but was I wrong? Only time will tell!

So is Chris Hughton! :whistle:

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3 hours ago, Wade Wilson said:

Maybe they weren’t. Fact of the matter is he was a fantastic asset to us last season and to see him go at all, especially in these circumstances, sucks. 

Meanwhile,,back at the ranch;

Callum O'Windflap still picks up a wage here...... ... Enough said.

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34 minutes ago, Robert the bruce said:

Meanwhile,,back at the ranch;

Callum O'Windflap still picks up a wage here...... ... Enough said.

And Watkins.

And Adelakun.

Of all the wingers we have, Eliasson is the one we sell? 
 

You could sell those three, offer Nic a bigger wage and still be in the plus. 
 

I know it was Eliasson’s last year and all but buying a young player and improving him immeasurably only to then sell him for pretty much what we bought him for kinda goes against our whole ethos. 

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Great crosser of the ball, but that was about it, couldn't finish, and that was his problem,

His best position for us was impact sub coming on against tired legs, it was no coincidence that when he started a game he struggled to perform,

Shame because he could be a great player if he can learn to finish 

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6 hours ago, bristolcitysweden said:

A message to LJ; you need the cake before the icing.

Why are you having a pop at lj, a manager who did a decent job but couldn't finish it off,

I'd wager he knows a hell of a lot more about this club then you do, and he isnt out manager and hasnt been for quite some time now

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4 hours ago, Wade Wilson said:

And Watkins.

And Adelakun.

Of all the wingers we have, Eliasson is the one we sell? 
 

You could sell those three, offer Nic a bigger wage and still be in the plus. 
 

I know it was Eliasson’s last year and all but buying a young player and improving him immeasurably only to then sell him for pretty much what we bought him for kinda goes against our whole ethos. 

He was probably the only one with interest.

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1 hour ago, Monkeh said:

Great crosser of the ball, but that was about it, couldn't finish, and that was his problem,

His best position for us was impact sub coming on against tired legs, it was no coincidence that when he started a game he struggled to perform,

Shame because he could be a great player if he can learn to finish 

Yes, he seldom got in to the box and finish, scored.  But he did not play so oten, COD did. He still is a player in progress and he will be in his best in a couple of years. As things are it was the best for him to move, Im happy that Holden is our manager and we are in the right direction. Last season LJ lost it and I felt sorry for Eliasson when he most of the times was on the bench. COD not half the player as NE. When NE got the ball something was always going to happen. Pato has developed and Im sure Ne also will. LJ was not able to trust and see what NE could bring to the team. Now we have a way of play 352 and Niclas have no place here. The Club is Always bigger than one player but I feel kind of sad that he not got the chance to develop in our Club. NE got another dimension in him I wish he will develop in Nîmes and that we will see him in the swedish team next summer. We dont have so many good footballers in Sweden, Niclas is one of them.. Ok we have defenders and def midfilders who can kick the ball away. Sweden can go to quartefinal with luck and fighting, Its like a low division team makes good run in your FA cup. All and all, Niclas has that most players dont have. Its a pitty he did not go all the way in our Club. Ok, that was that, really hope we will win today, COYR!!!

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Right decision to sell now under the circumstances but it does feel like an opportunity lost. If ever a player should have been loaned out for his development it was this one. Could have made all the difference but onwards and upwards we go.

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7 hours ago, Matthew me said:

Keep COD, Watkins and AW on our books...

Sign a 35 year old midfielder ....

Then sell off a young talented attacking winger that produced the most assists per minute last season

Doesn't fill me with huge confidence that we've made a good decision here. But time will.tell

O'Dowda is probably next on the list to go but we'll struggle to do so.

Watkins is on loan and contract expires at the end of it.

Weimann can play multiple positions and is playing well currently. 

Now moving onto Eliasson..

In a couple of months we could of lost him for free if he didn't sign a new contract so can't take that risk especially due to the fact he wasn't going to get regular games.

He's a winger we don't use wingers hence why we've sold him and loaned out Jonny Smith, Adelukan and Watkins.

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3 hours ago, Monkeh said:

Great crosser of the ball, but that was about it, couldn't finish, and that was his problem,

His best position for us was impact sub coming on against tired legs, it was no coincidence that when he started a game he struggled to perform,

Shame because he could be a great player if he can learn to finish 

He scored at least 3 great goals for us though mind. I remember a winner v Bolton on Sky.

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38 minutes ago, RedRoss said:

O'Dowda is probably next on the list to go but we'll struggle to do so.

Watkins is on loan and contract expires at the end of it.

Weimann can play multiple positions and is playing well currently. 

Now moving onto Eliasson..

In a couple of months we could of lost him for free if he didn't sign a new contract so can't take that risk especially due to the fact he wasn't going to get regular games.

He's a winger we don't use wingers hence why we've sold him and loaned out Jonny Smith, Adelukan and Watkins.

I am not so sure, if you look at the way we have set up so far, of all the options we have I think CO'D is the one we have that could replace Weimann's direct running style. We have several that could play where Bakinson currently sits and a couple of options for Paterson, but not another obvious "ball carrier".

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@Garland-sweden

Here’s last season’s minutes.

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That’s 35% more minutes for Nic.

@JonDolman

I think we have to wait and see with Callum.  Dean already quite clever in the way he uses his words.  He said he saw Nic in a similar vain, as wingback and a central attacking midfielder.  As it stands I honestly can’t see where Callum gets a start, especially with Jay’s potential shin injury not amounting to anything.

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1 hour ago, Port Said Red said:

I am not so sure, if you look at the way we have set up so far, of all the options we have I think CO'D is the one we have that could replace Weimann's direct running style. We have several that could play where Bakinson currently sits and a couple of options for Paterson, but not another obvious "ball carrier".

No way for me that COD could replace Weinmann. Weimann is good in the defensive, can pass and score, COD can not. Hoping that COD will develop and be better but I dont think so, hope Im wrong.

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It seemed inevitable that Eliasson would leave with the contract situation and potentially limited game time due to not really fitting in to our formation. 
 

Very good player on his day, quick feet, great crosser, but also tended to be peripheral for periods of games, especially when he started. 
 

Good luck to him. 

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A lot of disappointment on here saying Nic was a missed opportunity and we never got the best out of him but what if we did ?

Wingers are a luxury for most teams in the Championship and the good ones tend to have more to their game than the ability to run and cross. He has the pace for the Championship but maybe just not either the application to be a team player or the necessary awareness and concentration required in such a demanding division. He may excel in the slower paced French league and may well have done so in Scotland but for me he is another of the long list of entertainers who flatter to deceive and fail to get regular starts for good reason.

There are players and IMO Nic is one who shine coming off the bench against tiring defenders when a team is throwing everything at the opposition but are less effective starting games. Semenyo will probably benefit from a similar role as an impact sub this season although I suspect will make the step up to a regular starter before too long. 

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54 minutes ago, Johnny Musicworks said:

A lot of disappointment on here saying Nic was a missed opportunity and we never got the best out of him but what if we did ?

Wingers are a luxury for most teams in the Championship and the good ones tend to have more to their game than the ability to run and cross. He has the pace for the Championship but maybe just not either the application to be a team player or the necessary awareness and concentration required in such a demanding division. He may excel in the slower paced French league and may well have done so in Scotland but for me he is another of the long list of entertainers who flatter to deceive and fail to get regular starts for good reason.

There are players and IMO Nic is one who shine coming off the bench against tiring defenders when a team is throwing everything at the opposition but are less effective starting games. Semenyo will probably benefit from a similar role as an impact sub this season although I suspect will make the step up to a regular starter before too long. 

Agree with your last paragraph to be honest. Eliasson did seem at his best when coming on with say 20 mins to go when the game is stretched and defenders are tiring. The vast majority of starts he had he just never seemed to effect a game in the way he did when he came off the bench.

Will be interesting to see how he does in Ligue 1. He is one of those, I wouldn’t be suprised if that was the last we heard of him and his career went on a downward spiral but equally it wouldn’t suprise me if he went on and did really well in France and got himself a move to a bigger European team or even a Prem move. Time will tell I suppose.

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Ultiamtely the right decision to sell, but the posters claiming he wasn't up to it, or could 'only cross and nothing else' are far off the mark. He's a huge talent and am pretty sure will play top league football for the rest of his career (albeit I imagine another euro league, where his attributes are probably more suited than English football)

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At the end of the day, it was Eliason's decision to leave, rather than the club's to get rid of him.

It never works when you try to hang on to players who want to go, and as everyone has already pointed out, Holden's preferred formation made Nic peripheral to the starting XI. Can't blame the lad for wanting to start games.

I think Nimes have got themselves a very tidy player and I hope NE settles well into his new country and enjoys his football there.

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I’d take Eliasson or Watkins over CoD any day. 

Unfortunately, some massive berk offered CoD a new contract on the basis of one ‘worldie’ goal at Norwich (the first semblance of anything beyond the mediocre in three seasons) so it looks like we’re stuck with him for another 3 years. 

Either LJ or, I suspect more likely, MA need to really examine the logic of wasting a few million on that decision. 

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13 hours ago, redsquirrel said:

if wells gets played in the middle,i see no reason why kp couldnt find him with good instinct passes. might take a few games to get on the same wavelength tho

Couldn’t agree more - don’t think we’ve played Wells the right way yet and perhaps Palmer and Wells can help each other and form a great partnership!

???

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6 minutes ago, Denbury Red said:

Couldn’t agree more - don’t think we’ve played Wells the right way yet and perhaps Palmer and Wells can help each other and form a great partnership!

???

Or maybe the stats don’t lie and Palmer is the problem, not everybody else. If he was that good, he would adapt his game to the players around him.

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14 hours ago, redsquirrel said:

if wells gets played in the middle,i see no reason why kp couldnt find him with good instinct passes. might take a few games to get on the same wavelength tho

Our only hope to realise the value that Ashton and co. have invested in these two.

Think it could work.

Might be worth a throw of the dice anyhow, if CoD, Pato and Andi are the only other options. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Northern Red said:

He's scored both of Nimes' goals at Marseille this afternoon, they lead 2-1 with about 5 mins left.

The first game he's been involved in that they've won this season. 

The move has not worked out well for him, so far.

Maybe a turning point, who knows. 

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