Silvio Dante Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/wayne-rooney-in-line-become-22848261 Well, this was never going to happen at all was it. (Cocu out and Rooney in at Derby). I wonder if managers pay counts towards FFP considerations. Mind you. John Gregory. There’s a blast from the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Wayne Rooney’s Derby County, **** me they will be on Sky every game now, instead of most of them.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Car crash of a football club (no pun intended) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prinny Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 I mean it makes total sense. Managers need to be able to relate to their players. So who better than a drink driver to manage Derby County? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetterRedthanBlue Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Frank Lampard didn't do a bad job for them so that must be their thought "well if Frank did a good job this ex player can do a good job" (although I do note Rooney doesn't have any coaching badges). Derby imo need to have a rethink about their next coach. They've tried the big name boss and it hasn't worked out so their going to a manager with no coaching badges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Hopefully Rooney will get the role and be spectacularly bad. We play then in about 6 weeks so I want them to be a total mess at that stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Granny Shaggers Derby County it will be then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 They'll be grooming him for Man utd next season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Over-rated club & an over-rated player. Marriage made in heaven/the tabloids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 1 hour ago, daored said: Car crash of a football club (no pun intended) Fibber! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 16 minutes ago, CyderInACan said: Over-rated club & an over-rated player. Marriage made in heaven/the tabloids Overrated player wow! He's englands record goalscorer ffs. Question his morals by all means but as a player he is one of the best ever we have produced! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted October 15, 2020 Admin Share Posted October 15, 2020 22 minutes ago, CyderInACan said: Over-rated club & an over-rated player. Marriage made in heaven/the tabloids 5 minutes ago, frenchred said: Overrated player wow! He's englands record goalscorer ffs. Question his morals by all means but as a player he is one of the best ever we have produced! Stats don't lie Clearly England's top striker in the last decade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted October 15, 2020 Admin Share Posted October 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Silvio Dante said: https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/wayne-rooney-in-line-become-22848261 1 hour ago, daored said: Car crash of a football club Surely any change should have been done at the start of the international break? Mind you another one is one the horizon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Davefevs Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Silvio Dante said: https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/wayne-rooney-in-line-become-22848261 Well, this was never going to happen at all was it. (Cocu out and Rooney in at Derby). I wonder if managers pay counts towards FFP considerations. Mind you. John Gregory. There’s a blast from the past. Managers pay does count, as does coaching staff. It’s only Lg1/2 where you split player-coach wages for FFP (under the pre-wage cap method). I know I’ve told this story before but when City played Crawley in 14/15 (late Luke Ayling winner), John Gregory walked past the wheelchair section and came over to chat to Joe. Was with him for ages, chatting about Xmas presents, favourite players etc. He was with him so long his assistant had to run out of the changing rooms and remind him he’d not sent the team sheet in. I always assumed he was a bit of a big-head, but he was absolutely brilliant with Joe. 5 minutes ago, JonDolman said: Agree. He was brilliant over a few seasons but overall an overrated player. His goal record for england against many poor nations was okay. But how many would Defoe, Crouch etc have scored with that many caps. never quite the same after injuries in his early 20s. Still a bloody decent player but not top class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Interesting article here suggesting that part of their problems was letting us sign Martin. https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/derby-county-mcclaren-chris-martin-4605529 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 45 minutes ago, frenchred said: Overrated player wow! He's englands record goalscorer ffs. Question his morals by all means but as a player he is one of the best ever we have produced! Flat track bully for England. One of the most overrated players in my lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 35 minutes ago, bristolcitysweden said: My day is fulfilled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 43 minutes ago, JonDolman said: Agree. He was brilliant over a few seasons but overall an overrated player. His goal record for england against many poor nations was okay. But how many would Defoe, Crouch etc have scored with that many caps. you lost all credibility mentioning defoe and crouch! hahahaq Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 24 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said: Flat track bully for England. One of the most overrated players in my lifetime. you’ll have to explain that comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 7 minutes ago, frenchred said: you lost all credibility mentioning defoe and crouch! hahahaq Defoe was a great player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivs Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 1 hour ago, phantom said: Stats don't lie Clearly England's top striker in the last decade If only there was a saying that could back this up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 5 minutes ago, Banned User said: Defoe was a great player now i know your not being serious! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 14 minutes ago, frenchred said: now i know your not being serious! Only 162 goals in under 500 appearances. The 8th most goals ever scored in the Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 1 hour ago, JonDolman said: Agree. He was brilliant over a few seasons but overall an overrated player. His goal record for england against many poor nations was okay. But how many would Defoe, Crouch etc have scored with that many caps. With as many friendlies as are now played the term "top striker" is all relative. Beckham got to his 100 caps by coming on for the last 10 minutes of his last few games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 38 minutes ago, frenchred said: you’ll have to explain that comment Pretty self explanatory He rarely turned up against the better nations but scored plenty against the minnows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEyez Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Job for LJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Watts Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Port Said Red said: Interesting article here suggesting that part of their problems was letting us sign Martin. https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/derby-county-mcclaren-chris-martin-4605529 Editing and proof reading at its finest! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercidered Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Wow Rooney as Derby Manager. I can't wait for the exciting and in depth pre and post match interviews. (Sorry, sarcasm doesn't come across well in text) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Just now, supercidered said: Wow Rooney as Derby Manager. I can't wait for the exciting and in depth pre and post match interviews. (Sorry, sarcasm doesn't come across well in text) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 1 hour ago, supercidered said: Wow Rooney as Derby Manager. I can't wait for the exciting and in depth pre and post match interviews. (Sorry, sarcasm doesn't come across well in text) Yes, I don't think he got as many A levels as Frank! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 3 hours ago, frenchred said: Overrated player wow! He's englands record goalscorer ffs. I'd humbly suggest that, if Bobby Charlton had been able to play games against the likes of San Marino, Lichtenstein, Lithuania etc, he would still be England's record goalscorer and not Rooney. There's a context to everything - literally! - and in this case the context you might want to consider is "Who were the goals scored against?" and "What type of game were they scored in?". For starters, there were no endless European Championship qualifiers against cannon fodder opposition in Charlton's day. Furthermore, when it mattered most, Bobby Charlton turned it on for England - example? How about the winning goals in a World Cup quarter final? How about the Germans being so petrified of his abilities they specifically man marked him in 2 World Cups. Not that it did them much good. In contrast, when it mattered most, Rooney was either shite (World Cup 2010) or a liability (red card Euros 2006). For that reason alone - failing too many times to turn up for England when it mattered most - I'd say he was overrated too. Not rubbish but overrated - if you were picking an all time England XI he wouldn't get anywhere near it, imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 29 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said: I'd humbly suggest that, if Bobby Charlton had been able to play games against the likes of San Marino, Lichtenstein, Lithuania etc, he would still be England's record goalscorer and not Rooney. There's a context to everything - literally! - and in this case the context you might want to consider is "Who were the goals scored against?" and "What type of game were they scored in?". For starters, there were no endless European Championship qualifiers against cannon fodder opposition in Charlton's day. Furthermore, when it mattered most, Bobby Charlton turned it on for England - example? How about the winning goals in a World Cup quarter final? How about the Germans being so petrified of his abilities they specifically man marked him in 2 World Cups. Not that it did them much good. In contrast, when it mattered most, Rooney was either shite (World Cup 2010) or a liability (red card Euros 2006). For that reason alone - failing too many times to turn up for England when it mattered most - I'd say he was overrated too. Not rubbish but overrated - if you were picking an all time England XI he wouldn't get anywhere near it, imho. Bobby Charlton. What a player (from tv clips only)!!! A player I really wish I’d seen live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercidered Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 56 minutes ago, Midred said: Yes, I don't think he got as many A levels as Frank! He's just so f@ckin dull. Whinges like a wrong un on the pitch as well. 'Cmo'n ref it must be a free kick, do you know who I am?' In addition, when he plays for Derby and squares a 10 yard ball to another player under no pressure the commentators whip out their old felly and proceed to frape themselves furiously. (Again, I'm not sure if this comes across well via text.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 27 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said: I'd humbly suggest that, if Bobby Charlton had been able to play games against the likes of San Marino, Lichtenstein, Lithuania etc, he would still be England's record goalscorer and not Rooney. There's a context to everything - literally! - and in this case the context you might want to consider is "Who were the goals scored against?" and "What type of game were they scored in?". For starters, there were no endless European Championship qualifiers against cannon fodder opposition in Charlton's day. Furthermore, when it mattered most, Bobby Charlton turned it on for England - example? How about the winning goals in a World Cup quarter final? How about the Germans being so petrified of his abilities they specifically man marked him in 2 World Cups. Not that it did them much good. In contrast, when it mattered most, Rooney was either shite (World Cup 2010) or a liability (red card Euros 2006). For that reason alone - failing too many times to turn up for England when it mattered most - I'd say he was overrated too. Not rubbish but overrated - if you were picking an all time England XI he wouldn't get anywhere near it, imho. Of his 53 international goals, one was scored in a summer WC finals competition, and not in qualification. There were six in Euro finals, although four of these came early doors in that first tournament when he looked very promising. That leaves 46 of his England goals in qualification games - ie pub teams - and friendlies. He did manage to score twice v Brasil, in friendlies. And v Holland, in a friendly. And the Dutch, yes, in a friendly. And France, in a friendly. He was not to be under-rated in friendlies. There were five of his 53 nabbed against San Marino, and these were not friendly. Far from it. He also managed one v Liechtenstein. Again, this was an unfriendly game. Three more came v Kazakhstan, in qualification games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 2 hours ago, JamesBCFC said: Pretty self explanatory He rarely turned up against the better nations but scored plenty against the minnows. Stereotypical reply with nothing to back it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 49 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said: I'd humbly suggest that, if Bobby Charlton had been able to play games against the likes of San Marino, Lichtenstein, Lithuania etc, he would still be England's record goalscorer and not Rooney. There's a context to everything - literally! - and in this case the context you might want to consider is "Who were the goals scored against?" and "What type of game were they scored in?". For starters, there were no endless European Championship qualifiers against cannon fodder opposition in Charlton's day. Furthermore, when it mattered most, Bobby Charlton turned it on for England - example? How about the winning goals in a World Cup quarter final? How about the Germans being so petrified of his abilities they specifically man marked him in 2 World Cups. Not that it did them much good. In contrast, when it mattered most, Rooney was either shite (World Cup 2010) or a liability (red card Euros 2006). For that reason alone - failing too many times to turn up for England when it mattered most - I'd say he was overrated too. Not rubbish but overrated - if you were picking an all time England XI he wouldn't get anywhere near it, imho. I'd humbly suggest that throughout the history of international football it has always had a splattering of shite teams. Those teams have progressed and been replaced by others! Do you think charlton scored all his goals against the top nations (as they were then) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Banned User said: Only 162 goals in under 500 appearances. The 8th most goals ever scored in the Premier League. For context - Premier League stats; Rooney - 491 appearances 208 goals 111 assists Defoe - 496 appearances 163 goals 27 assists Both quite impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sephjnr Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Cocu out, cock in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 19 minutes ago, frenchred said: Stereotypical reply with nothing to back it up The goals he has scored and who they are against back it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Merrick's Marvels said: I'd humbly suggest that, if Bobby Charlton had been able to play games against the likes of San Marino, Lichtenstein, Lithuania etc, he would still be England's record goalscorer and not Rooney. There's a context to everything - literally! - and in this case the context you might want to consider is "Who were the goals scored against?" and "What type of game were they scored in?". For starters, there were no endless European Championship qualifiers against cannon fodder opposition in Charlton's day. Furthermore, when it mattered most, Bobby Charlton turned it on for England - example? How about the winning goals in a World Cup quarter final? How about the Germans being so petrified of his abilities they specifically man marked him in 2 World Cups. Not that it did them much good. In contrast, when it mattered most, Rooney was either shite (World Cup 2010) or a liability (red card Euros 2006). For that reason alone - failing too many times to turn up for England when it mattered most - I'd say he was overrated too. Not rubbish but overrated - if you were picking an all time England XI he wouldn't get anywhere near it, imho. I feel like sometimes when you call someone "overrated", other misinterpret that as "shit". No one is saying he is shit, he was a very good striker, but also one of the most overrated players of the last 30 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 46 minutes ago, bcfc01 said: For context - Premier League stats; Rooney - 491 appearances 208 goals 111 assists Defoe - 496 appearances 163 goals 27 assists Both quite impressive. Rooney in his prime was a superb player, but when you are a striker it certainly helps your stats that you played in the dominant team of the era and one that was a an almost irresistible attacking force. Would Defoe have done appreciably less well than Rooney had he played in the same Man U team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 3 hours ago, Midred said: With as many friendlies as are now played the term "top striker" is all relative. Beckham got to his 100 caps by coming on for the last 10 minutes of his last few games. Hmmm, and just a little bit closer to home, a certain Louis Carey is the player with the most appearances for City. When the one club man and England international, the late John Atyeo, was playing for City, substitutes were not even allowed.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 8 minutes ago, downendcity said: Rooney in his prime was a superb player, but when you are a striker it certainly helps your stats that you played in the dominant team of the era and one that was a an almost irresistible attacking force. Would Defoe have done appreciably less well than Rooney had he played in the same Man U team? Problem is, Rooney's prime lasted about 18 months, when he was about 22 and had Ronaldo alongside him. So then you have a (very good) 23-24 year old (at the end of his prime) who still has a decade of his playing career ahead of him, who will always have the hype around him because he starts for Manchester and was seen as undroppable for England. Quote For context - Premier League stats; Rooney - 491 appearances 208 goals 111 assists Defoe - 496 appearances 163 goals 27 assists Both quite impressive. when looking at those stats provided by @bcfc01, and then considering the sides both players were at, either one of them (Defoe) is vastly underrated, one (Rooney) is vastly overrated, or a bit of both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 59 minutes ago, frenchred said: I'd humbly suggest that throughout the history of international football it has always had a splattering of shite teams. Those teams have progressed and been replaced by others! Do you think charlton scored all his goals against the top nations (as they were then) I agree there have always been shite teams. But nowhere near as many in Charlton's day as there are now. Furthermore, Charlton never had the chance to play against opposition that was cannon fodder, i.e. teams made up - literally - of amateurs. Whereas Rooney helped himself to 5 goals against the butchers, bakers and candlestick-makers of San Marino alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeRed Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 10 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said: Whereas Rooney helped himself against the butchers, bakers and candlestick-makers of San Marino alone. and the Grannies, don't forget the Grannies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 8 minutes ago, CodeRed said: and the Grannies, don't forget the Grannies They could have been bakers or candlestick makers. They were certainly professional, as Im sure I read that some were solicitors - or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Rooney had an almost 1 in 2 goal ratio for Man U in the league - and that will be from not even playing upfront every game (almost 400 PL games). You don't get anywhere near that if you aren't a brilliant player. He also had over 100 assists. That's goal involvement in almost 75% of games. Pretty incredible. Whereas he didn't quite go on and be an all-time great for England (I think probably because of injuries, much like happened to Owen), he was still a top player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Londoner Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Merrick's Marvels said: I agree there have always been shite teams. But nowhere near as many in Charlton's day as there are now. Furthermore, Charlton never had the chance to play against opposition that was cannon fodder, i.e. teams made up - literally - of amateurs. Whereas Rooney helped himself to 5 goals against the butchers, bakers and candlestick-makers of San Marino alone. Also Charlton played in an era where robust defending was still allowed unlike now and Rooney did score a few penalties for England too, i also think Linekar would’ve scored more than Rooney had he played in the modern era Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elruliri Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 I wouldn't want to be on the end of one of Rooneys hand granaid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Skin Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 7 hours ago, Davefevs said: I know I’ve told this story before but when City played Crawley in 14/15 (late Luke Ayling winner), John Gregory walked past the wheelchair section and came over to chat to Joe. Was with him for ages, chatting about Xmas presents, favourite players etc. He was with him so long his assistant had to run out of the changing rooms and remind him he’d not sent the team sheet in. I always assumed he was a bit of a big-head, but he was absolutely brilliant with Joe That's good to hear. When Stan Collymore disclosed his mental health problems many years ago, John Gregory was far from sympathetic. I thought was shocking. Thankfully times have changed and I'd like to think he wouldn't react the same now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveInSA Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 8 hours ago, frenchred said: Overrated player wow! He's englands record goalscorer ffs. Question his morals by all means but as a player he is one of the best ever we have produced! he never did anything in a major tournament. ever. so stats do lie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Interesting debate on Rooney here. Re his stats for Man United, I’d love to rewind time and swap him with Ade Akinbiyi or Shaun Goater. I guarantee that they’d have got a hatful too (granted not as many). He benefited from the best service any striker in his time got. WR was a very good striker. But he wasn’t a great like Shearer or Henry. And on that point, I’d argue that the latter Is the all time great PL striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltshoveller Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 6 hours ago, Merrick's Marvels said: I'd humbly suggest that, if Bobby Charlton had been able to play games against the likes of San Marino, Lichtenstein, Lithuania etc, he would still be England's record goalscorer and not Rooney. There's a context to everything - literally! - and in this case the context you might want to consider is "Who were the goals scored against?" and "What type of game were they scored in?". For starters, there were no endless European Championship qualifiers against cannon fodder opposition in Charlton's day. Furthermore, when it mattered most, Bobby Charlton turned it on for England - example? How about the winning goals in a World Cup quarter final? How about the Germans being so petrified of his abilities they specifically man marked him in 2 World Cups. Not that it did them much good. In contrast, when it mattered most, Rooney was either shite (World Cup 2010) or a liability (red card Euros 2006). For that reason alone - failing too many times to turn up for England when it mattered most - I'd say he was overrated too. Not rubbish but overrated - if you were picking an all time England XI he wouldn't get anywhere near it, imho. Of Charltons 49 goals 6 were against Northern Ireland 5 v Luxembourg 5 v Wales 4 v Scotland 4 v USA 4 v Mexico 28 goals v real giants of world football there!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 4 hours ago, PHILINFRANCE said: Hmmm, and just a little bit closer to home, a certain Louis Carey is the player with the most appearances for City. When the one club man and England international, the late John Atyeo, was playing for City, substitutes were not even allowed.... I was thinking that just after I posted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Maltshoveller said: Of Charltons 49 goals 6 were against Northern Ireland 5 v Luxembourg 5 v Wales 4 v Scotland 4 v USA 4 v Mexico 28 goals v real giants of world football there!!! Not bad for a midfielder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Fordy62 said: Interesting debate on Rooney here. Re his stats for Man United, I’d love to rewind time and swap him with Ade Akinbiyi or Shaun Goater. I guarantee that they’d have got a hatful too (granted not as many). He benefited from the best service any striker in his time got. WR was a very good striker. But he wasn’t a great like Shearer or Henry. And on that point, I’d argue that the latter Is the all time great PL striker. I wouldn't argue with that, but would add that Bergkamp was probably the best imo albeit with not the same goal return. Started something now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim S Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 I've said this publicly on Twitter - that when Cocu gets the heave-ho from Derby (which is only a matter of time) then its a great set up for Lee Johnson. I know the obvious thing seems to be Rooney taking over. But despite poor decisions in his personal life, when it comes to football - he aint as daft as you might think. And I think he will perhaps appreciate that he isn't quite ready yet to be the number one at a club. I can well imagine that LJ takes over as head coach. Rooney steps back from playing and becomes number two. If things go wrong, the blame doesnt land at Rooney's door and he gets a shot at being head coach after learning more in the meantime while LJ takes the fall. If it goes well, Rooney gets a gig in his own right eventually.... OR it turns out that Johnson and Rooney are a management dream team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveF Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 9 hours ago, Merrick's Marvels said: I'd humbly suggest that, if Bobby Charlton had been able to play games against the likes of San Marino, Lichtenstein, Lithuania etc, he would still be England's record goalscorer and not Rooney. There's a context to everything - literally! - and in this case the context you might want to consider is "Who were the goals scored against?" and "What type of game were they scored in?". For starters, there were no endless European Championship qualifiers against cannon fodder opposition in Charlton's day. Furthermore, when it mattered most, Bobby Charlton turned it on for England - example? How about the winning goals in a World Cup quarter final? How about the Germans being so petrified of his abilities they specifically man marked him in 2 World Cups. Not that it did them much good. In contrast, when it mattered most, Rooney was either shite (World Cup 2010) or a liability (red card Euros 2006). For that reason alone - failing too many times to turn up for England when it mattered most - I'd say he was overrated too. Not rubbish but overrated - if you were picking an all time England XI he wouldn't get anywhere near it, imho. I agree. It's a sad reality now that football now is a different sport but the records still get counted as they are: 1 19 April 1958 Hampden Park, Glasgow, Scotland 1 Scotland 3–0 4–0 1957–58 Home Championship [6] 2 7 May 1958 Wembley Stadium, London, England 2 Portugal 1–0 2–1 Friendly [11] 3 2–1 4 4 October 1958 Windsor Park, Belfast, Northern Ireland 4 Northern Ireland 1–1 3–3 1958–59 Home Championship [12] 5 3–3 6 22 October 1958 Wembley Stadium, London, England 5 Soviet Union 4–0 5–0 Friendly [13] 7 11 April 1959 Wembley Stadium, London, England 6 Scotland 1–0 1–0 1958–59 Home Championship [14] 8 6 May 1959 Wembley Stadium, London, England 7 Italy 1–0 2–2 Friendly [15] 9 28 May 1959 Wrigley Field, Los Angeles, United States 11 United States 3–1 8–1 Friendly [16] 10 6–1 11 7–1 12 28 October 1959 Wembley Stadium, London, England 13 Sweden 2–3 2–3 Friendly [17] 13 9 April 1960 Hampden Park, Glasgow, Scotland 14 Scotland 1–1 1–1 1959–60 Home Championship [18] 14 8 October 1960 Windsor Park, Belfast, Northern Ireland 18 Northern Ireland 3–1 5–2 1960–61 Home Championship [19] 15 19 October 1960 Stade Municipal, Luxembourg City, Luxembourg 19 Luxembourg 1–0 9–0 1962 FIFA World Cup qualification [20] 16 2–0 17 7–0 18 23 November 1960 Wembley Stadium, London, England 21 Wales 2–0 5–1 1960–61 Home Championship [21] 19 10 May 1961 Wembley Stadium, London, England 23 Mexico 2–0 8–0 Friendly [22] 20 6–0 21 7–0 22 28 September 1961 Highbury, London, England 27 Luxembourg 3–0 4–1 1962 FIFA World Cup qualification [23] 23 4–1 24 22 November 1961 Wembley Stadium, London, England 30 Northern Ireland 1–0 1–1 1961–62 Home Championship [24] 25 2 June 1962 Estadio Braden Copper, Rancagua, Chile 36 Argentina 2–1 2–1 1962 FIFA World Cup [25] 26 29 May 1963 Tehelné pole, Bratislava, Czechoslovakia 42 Czechoslovakia 3–1 4–2 Friendly [26] 27 2 June 1963 Zentralstadion, Leipzig, East Germany 43 East Germany 2–1 2–1 Friendly [27] 28 5 June 1963 St. Jakob Park, Basel, Switzerland 44 Switzerland 1–0 8–1 Friendly [28] 29 5–1 30 8–1 31 12 October 1963 Ninian Park, Cardiff, Wales 45 Wales 4–0 4–0 1963–64 Home Championship [8] 32 17 May 1964 Estádio Nacional, Lisbon, Portugal 50 Portugal 2–1 4–3 Friendly [29] 33 27 May 1964 Downing Stadium, New York City, United States 52 United States 8–0 10–0 Friendly [30] 34 10 April 1965 Wembley Stadium, London, England 57 Scotland 1–0 2–2 1964–65 Home Championship [31] 35 20 October 1965 Wembley Stadium, London, England 59 Austria 1–0 2–3 Friendly [32] 36 2 April 1966 Hampden Park, Glasgow, Scotland 63 Scotland 4–2 4–3 1965–66 Home Championship [33] 37 4 May 1966 Wembley Stadium, London, England 64 Yugoslavia 2–0 2–0 Friendly [34] 38 16 July 1966 Wembley Stadium, London, England 69 Mexico 1–0 2–0 1966 FIFA World Cup [35] 39 26 July 1966 Wembley Stadium, London, England 72 Portugal 1–0 2–1 1966 FIFA World Cup [36] 40 2–0 41 16 November 1966 Wembley Stadium, London, England 76 Wales 3–1 5–1 1966–67 Home Championship, UEFA Euro 1968 qualification [37] 42 21 October 1967 Ninian Park, Cardiff, Wales 78 Wales 2–0 3–0 1967–68 Home Championship, UEFA Euro 1968 qualification [38] 43 22 November 1967 Wembley Stadium, London, England 79 Northern Ireland 2–0 2–0 1967–68 Home Championship, UEFA Euro 1968 qualification [39] 44 3 April 1968 Wembley Stadium, London, England 82 Spain 1–0 1–0 UEFA Euro 1968 qualification [40] 45 22 May 1968 Wembley Stadium, London, England 84 Sweden 2–0 3–1 Friendly [10] 46 8 June 1968 Stadio Olimpico, Rome, Italy 86 Soviet Union 1–0 2–0 UEFA Euro 1968 [41] 47 7 May 1969 Wembley Stadium, London, England 91 Wales 1–1 2–1 1968–69 Home Championship [42] 48 21 April 1970 Wembley Stadium, London, England 100 Northern Ireland 3–1 3–1 1969–70 Home Championship [43] 49 20 May 1970 Estadio El Campín, Bogotá, Colombia 101 Colombia 3–0 4–0 Friendly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 10 minutes ago, Tim S said: I've said this publicly on Twitter - that when Cocu gets the heave-ho from Derby (which is only a matter of time) then its a great set up for Lee Johnson. I know the obvious thing seems to be Rooney taking over. But despite poor decisions in his personal life, when it comes to football - he aint as daft as you might think. And I think he will perhaps appreciate that he isn't quite ready yet to be the number one at a club. I can well imagine that LJ takes over as head coach. Rooney steps back from playing and becomes number two. If things go wrong, the blame doesnt land at Rooney's door and he gets a shot at being head coach after learning more in the meantime while LJ takes the fall. If it goes well, Rooney gets a gig in his own right eventually.... OR it turns out that Johnson and Rooney are a management dream team! A couple of seasons back he was a pundit....and he was very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 15 minutes ago, Davefevs said: A couple of seasons back he was a pundit....and he was very good. Was it fish puns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 4 hours ago, Fordy62 said: Interesting debate on Rooney here. Re his stats for Man United, I’d love to rewind time and swap him with Ade Akinbiyi or Shaun Goater. I guarantee that they’d have got a hatful too (granted not as many). He benefited from the best service any striker in his time got. No chance would Ade have got anywhere near as many - he missed so many sitters for Leicester at that level. Shaun Goater was slightly better but neither anywhere near good enough for top 4 level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: A couple of seasons back he was a pundit....and he was very good. Did you know a pundit originally meant a native speaker who could translate for the British military in India? You do now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 7 hours ago, Red-Robbo said: Did you know a pundit originally meant a native speaker who could translate for the British military in India? You do now.... Now it means a bland former footballer who communicates only with tired cliches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiddenGem7 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 Worth noting that Rooney has no coaching badges and a potential barrier to him achieving them may be his rumored reading age. It is well known he failed to pass any GCSE's and attempted to retake Maths and English at Man Utd with the help of an expensive tutor, only to fail again. I want to make clear this isn't intended in any way to mock the guy, he has achieved far more than many of us ever will, but you have to wonder about his ability to be a full time Championship club manager given these facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, HiddenGem7 said: Worth noting that Rooney has no coaching badges and a potential barrier to him achieving them may be his rumored reading age. It is well known he failed to pass any GCSE's and attempted to retake Maths and English at Man Utd with the help of an expensive tutor, only to fail again. I want to make clear this isn't intended in any way to mock the guy, he has achieved far more than many of us ever will, but you have to wonder about his ability to be a full time Championship club manager given these facts. Why would he take GCSEs at Man.Utd ? Seems strange as he had a life changing salary and a future as a millionaire footballer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiddenGem7 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, bcfc01 said: Why would he take GCSEs at Man.Utd ? Seems strange as he had a life changing salary and a future as a millionaire footballer. Maybe he wanted to for his own personal reasons? The story is easily searchable, he said it in an interview with a journalist in 2007 that he was being tutored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 4 hours ago, HiddenGem7 said: Worth noting that Rooney has no coaching badges and a potential barrier to him achieving them may be his rumored reading age. It is well known he failed to pass any GCSE's and attempted to retake Maths and English at Man Utd with the help of an expensive tutor, only to fail again. I want to make clear this isn't intended in any way to mock the guy, he has achieved far more than many of us ever will, but you have to wonder about his ability to be a full time Championship club manager given these facts. Mel Morris says that having been through an academy he also owns, Rooney has 7 GCSEs, 2 A Levels., a degree in Economics and passed all his coaching badges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 5 hours ago, downendcity said: Mel Morris says that having been through an academy he also owns, Rooney has 7 GCSEs, 2 A Levels., a degree in Economics and passed all his coaching badges. Is that the City Of Derby Academy (Prop. Morris M) that was formerly the Derby City Academy that was owned by Mel Morris? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 11 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said: Is that the City Of Derby Academy (Prop. Morris M) that was formerly the Derby City Academy that was owned by Mel Morris? Not sure, but the invigilator for Roogney's exams was the chap that valued Pride Park! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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