Davefevs Posted November 19, 2020 Report Share Posted November 19, 2020 Summary here. Doesn’t really tell us anything. several tweets in the above once you click. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackofromSanJavier Posted November 19, 2020 Report Share Posted November 19, 2020 57 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Summary here. Doesn’t really tell us anything. several tweets in the above once you click. Make of that what you will @BigTone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted November 19, 2020 Report Share Posted November 19, 2020 That rest of the tweets read to me as if there’s a bit of a power struggle going on. Rosenior says “It’s no secret I want to be a manager”. Rooney says “I want to be a manager”. Rosenior says “the players need clear messaging”. Rooney says “we need to get the right messages to the players”. Rosenior says “I did my badges early”. Rooney says “I’m doing my badges but that shouldn’t stop me managing now”. They may well be working together right now, but I’m sure behind the scenes Liam must be thinking “if this bloke, without any qualifications, gets the job above me....” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted November 19, 2020 Report Share Posted November 19, 2020 Yeah - Rooney's not ruling himself out offering his superior knowledge of football to the new owners! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip City Posted November 19, 2020 Report Share Posted November 19, 2020 33 minutes ago, Harry said: That rest of the tweets read to me as if there’s a bit of a power struggle going on. Rosenior says “It’s no secret I want to be a manager”. Rooney says “I want it be a manager”. Rosenior says “the players need clear messaging”. Rooney says “we need to get the right messages to the players”. Rosenior says “I did my badges early”. Rooney says “I’m doing my badges but that shouldn’t stop me managing now”. They may well be working together right now, but I’m sure behind the scenes Liam must be thinking “if this bloke, without any qualifications, gets the job above me....” Wonder whether he applied for our job? Rosenior I mean. I couldn’t read all the tweets... I saw the word “identity” early on and it gave me a nasty flashback! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted November 19, 2020 Report Share Posted November 19, 2020 45 minutes ago, Harry said: That rest of the tweets read to me as if there’s a bit of a power struggle going on. Rosenior says “It’s no secret I want to be a manager”. Rooney says “I want to be a manager”. Rosenior says “the players need clear messaging”. Rooney says “we need to get the right messages to the players”. Rosenior says “I did my badges early”. Rooney says “I’m doing my badges but that shouldn’t stop me managing now”. They may well be working together right now, but I’m sure behind the scenes Liam must be thinking “if this bloke, without any qualifications, gets the job above me....” Fully expect there is. Rosenior is still very young at 36 but clearly took the coaching job there as an entry level one to being a manager & like our current head coach would see a vacancy coming up at the club he was already at, as “his to go for”. Rooney of course will see it completely differently.. Could all be academic anyway if the rumoured interest in Steve Cooper at Swansea or Rafael Benitez turns out to be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Harry said: That rest of the tweets read to me as if there’s a bit of a power struggle going on. Rosenior says “It’s no secret I want to be a manager”. Rooney says “I want to be a manager”. Rosenior says “the players need clear messaging”. Rooney says “we need to get the right messages to the players”. Rosenior says “I did my badges early”. Rooney says “I’m doing my badges but that shouldn’t stop me managing now”. They may well be working together right now, but I’m sure behind the scenes Liam must be thinking “if this bloke, without any qualifications, gets the job above me....” I thought the same. Let’s hope it leads to mix messages and indecision in selection and system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prinny Posted November 19, 2020 Report Share Posted November 19, 2020 If we get out thought by Wayne Rooney everyone should be sacked immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2020 Just now, Prinny said: If we get out thought by Wayne Rooney everyone should be sacked immediately. I’ve seen him do a few bits of punditry. One occasion I thought he was really, really good, on another I thought it was boring old cliche stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prinny Posted November 19, 2020 Report Share Posted November 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: I’ve seen him do a few bits of punditry. One occasion I thought he was really, really good, on another I thought it was boring old cliche stuff. When you thought he was good, what did he say that was interesting? I've never seen that side of him but if he has it, happy to be persuaded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted November 19, 2020 Report Share Posted November 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I’ve seen him do a few bits of punditry. One occasion I thought he was really, really good, on another I thought it was boring old cliche stuff. That’s what I get from him to be honest. Comes across as a bit of a smart arse too imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, Prinny said: When you thought he was good, what did he say that was interesting? I've never seen that side of him but if he has it, happy to be persuaded. It was stuff about movement and creating space for others and how it dragged out of shape, not just for the pass but the one after that, 3rd runners and that type of stuff. I was a bit shocked...although the next time it back to crap punditry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted November 19, 2020 Report Share Posted November 19, 2020 18 minutes ago, Davefevs said: It was stuff about movement and creating space for others and how it dragged out of shape, not just for the pass but the one after that, 3rd runners and that type of stuff. I was a bit shocked...although the next time it back to crap punditry. Basic stuff then. I’ve got nothing against Rooney. Brilliant player, lots of talent. Enjoyed watching him play in his prime. But I’ll never be convinced that he’s a thinker, a tactician, a motivator. Happy to eat humble pie, but I honestly can’t see a career for him as a manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, Harry said: Basic stuff then. I’ve got nothing against Rooney. Brilliant player, lots of talent. Enjoyed watching him play in his prime. But I’ll never be convinced that he’s a thinker, a tactician, a motivator. Happy to eat humble pie, but I honestly can’t see a career for him as a manager. It might seem basic stuff, but to most football watchers they don’t see / understand stuff like that. You only need to read OTIB to know that a lot of this stuff goes over people’s head. Im certainly not suggesting he’s a tactical mastermind but that night he was pretty good. He wasn’t on other occasions though. I’ve got no feelings on his future career or his current skills.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddoh Posted November 19, 2020 Report Share Posted November 19, 2020 good footballers can make bad managers bad footballers can make good managers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeRed Posted November 19, 2020 Report Share Posted November 19, 2020 54 minutes ago, reddoh said: good footballers can make bad managers bad footballers can make good managers. Or bad footballer's can make bad managers. As we have found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddoh Posted November 19, 2020 Report Share Posted November 19, 2020 shit happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishRed Posted November 19, 2020 Report Share Posted November 19, 2020 4 hours ago, Harry said: That rest of the tweets read to me as if there’s a bit of a power struggle going on. Rosenior says “It’s no secret I want to be a manager”. Rooney says “I want to be a manager”. Rosenior says “the players need clear messaging”. Rooney says “we need to get the right messages to the players”. Rosenior says “I did my badges early”. Rooney says “I’m doing my badges but that shouldn’t stop me managing now”. They may well be working together right now, but I’m sure behind the scenes Liam must be thinking “if this bloke, without any qualifications, gets the job above me....” New owner will make the decision. Hopefully, after they get thrashed on Saturday he will look elsewhere! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodjias Wrist Posted November 19, 2020 Report Share Posted November 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Davefevs said: It might seem basic stuff, but to most football watchers they don’t see / understand stuff like that. You only need to read OTIB to know that a lot of this stuff goes over people’s head. Im certainly not suggesting he’s a tactical mastermind but that night he was pretty good. He wasn’t on other occasions though. I’ve got no feelings on his future career or his current skills.. Yeah it may be basic stuff to talk about but top football players struggle to deal with, or pull off sometimes. Also sounds like coaches struggle to enforce it. Maybe I am just a noob to analysis and drills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted November 20, 2020 Report Share Posted November 20, 2020 Well looks like Rooney and Rosenior both want it, so hopefully there's a power struggle going on, that affects the players, and we thrash them. Don't care what happens afterwards, although Rosenior could be one to watch on the coaching/management scene. Always seems to talk a good game to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_eastender Posted November 20, 2020 Report Share Posted November 20, 2020 Reckon Rooney will either run the show for them Saturday (if we give him the room), OR he will get really frustrated (if we close him down) and get a red card! I'd play Massengo to man mark him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 20, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2020 37 minutes ago, old_eastender said: Reckon Rooney will either run the show for them Saturday (if we give him the room), OR he will get really frustrated (if we close him down) and get a red card! I'd play Massengo to man mark him. Depends where they play him. He’s not had a fixed position all season, nor has he played anywhere near the levels of last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City oz Posted November 20, 2020 Report Share Posted November 20, 2020 7 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Depends where they play him. He’s not had a fixed position all season, nor has he played anywhere near the levels of last season. Rooney has a great football brain. Even though he’s a bit passed it well I think as a competitive player he still has the skills in regards to psychology in getting the best out of the young players around him. He’s still a danger to us. we should have 3 points in the bag this weekend as the following week against Watford will be the one where we can really see where we sit with the class teams of this league and here’s hoping for another 3 points. I have a mate in Perth ex copper from London who is a massive hornets supporter and we are going to watch it together at the casino in perth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted November 20, 2020 Report Share Posted November 20, 2020 11 hours ago, Davefevs said: It might seem basic stuff, but to most football watchers they don’t see / understand stuff like that. You only need to read OTIB to know that a lot of this stuff goes over people’s head. Im certainly not suggesting he’s a tactical mastermind but that night he was pretty good. He wasn’t on other occasions though. I’ve got no feelings on his future career or his current skills.. I suppose I mean it’s basic stuff for someone who will have been playing pro-football for 16 years or so, having this drilled into him on a no doubt daily basis. It’s certainly Entry Level Tactical Analysis for a 16 year pro to point out that movement creates space. 11 hours ago, reddoh said: good footballers can make bad managers bad footballers can make good managers. Indeed. However I just feel, in Rooney’s case, it’s a question of IQ. Not wishing to slag him off at all, as I’ve said, I rate him as a footballer, but he doesn’t have a high intellect. Most successful managers do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City oz Posted November 20, 2020 Report Share Posted November 20, 2020 9 minutes ago, Harry said: I suppose I mean it’s basic stuff for someone who will have been playing pro-football for 16 years or so, having this drilled into him on a no doubt daily basis. It’s certainly Entry Level Tactical Analysis for a 16 year pro to point out that movement creates space. Indeed. However I just feel, in Rooney’s case, it’s a question of IQ. Not wishing to slag him off at all, as I’ve said, I rate him as a footballer, but he doesn’t have a high intellect. Most successful managers do. Totally agree. Rooney though is still respected by young players in any team he plays for and this brings positive wins and vital points. I also class Rooney as a down to earth English bloke that loves his beer and football no matter what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 20, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2020 14 minutes ago, City oz said: Rooney has a great football brain. Even though he’s a bit passed it well I think as a competitive player he still has the skills in regards to psychology in getting the best out of the young players around him. He’s still a danger to us. we should have 3 points in the bag this weekend as the following week against Watford will be the one where we can really see where we sit with the class teams of this league and here’s hoping for another 3 points. I have a mate in Perth ex copper from London who is a massive hornets supporter and we are going to watch it together at the casino in perth. Oh, definitely....hasn’t become a bad player overnight, and if you give him time (which we did for 25 mins last season) he can still pull strings if he’s playing in midfield. In terms of my preview (will post it here after the press conference), I have Derby going 4231 with Rooney in as the central attacking midfielder, playing between the midfield and Waghorn. But I’ve obviously no idea. Re Watford....stop it, I’m getting jealous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City oz Posted November 20, 2020 Report Share Posted November 20, 2020 1 hour ago, old_eastender said: Reckon Rooney will either run the show for them Saturday (if we give him the room), OR he will get really frustrated (if we close him down) and get a red card! I'd play Massengo to man mark him. Massengo will be over whelmed by Rooneys stature. Massengo if he marks him needs to front up and be aggressive and this is not Massengo unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City oz Posted November 20, 2020 Report Share Posted November 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Oh, definitely....hasn’t become a bad player overnight, and if you give him time (which we did for 25 mins last season) he can still pull strings if he’s playing in midfield. In terms of my preview (will post it here after the press conference), I have Derby going 4231 with Rooney in as the central attacking midfielder, playing between the midfield and Waghorn. But I’ve obviously no idea. Re Watford....stop it, I’m getting jealous! Crown casino Dave. You probably know it well. It’s only 15 minutes from Freo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted November 20, 2020 Report Share Posted November 20, 2020 14 hours ago, Midred said: Yeah - Rooney's not ruling himself out offering his superior knowledge of football to the new owners! As well as his superior knowledge of the nearest old folks homes . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 20, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, City oz said: Crown casino Dave. You probably know it well. It’s only 15 minutes from Freo Yes, on the water in Perth? We didn’t go there but drove past it enough times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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