Top Robin Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 I think many of us would agree that in most games this season we have had good periods of play where sometimes we have looked amazing - so I guess there is a decent team in there somewhere. The trouble is that it is always temporary - sometimes 15 minutes like today and sometimes a half. Why can't we just play like that for longer - what is causing us to go from a promotion looking team to a Div 2 team in a the space of few minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 Dean Holden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 We DID have good spells...........we kicked off TWICE ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 We never seem to have control of a game, ever. We also don’t have the credentials to grab a game by the neck when going behind. We just let the games slip away from us too easily. We can’t rely on 10-15 minute spells, it’s not sustainable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilli74 Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 minute ago, slartibartfast said: We DID have good spells...........we kicked off TWICE ! And completed both passes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 9 minutes ago, Top Robin said: I think many of us would agree that in most games this season we have had good periods of play where sometimes we have looked amazing - so I guess there is a decent team in there somewhere. The trouble is that it is always temporary - sometimes 15 minutes like today and sometimes a half. Why can't we just play like that for longer - what is causing us to go from a promotion looking team to a Div 2 team in a the space of few minutes. Lack of concentration, Lack of confidence and Lack of quality coaching and tactics IMHO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 5 minutes ago, Lew-T said: We never seem to have control of a game, ever. We also don’t have the credentials to grab a game by the neck when going behind. We just let the games slip away from us too easily. We can’t rely on 10-15 minute spells, it’s not sustainable. If only ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 20 minutes ago, Lew-T said: We never seem to have control of a game, ever. We also don’t have the credentials to grab a game by the neck when going behind. We just let the games slip away from us too easily. We can’t rely on 10-15 minute spells, it’s not sustainable. Hmm, it's variable- do we do it enough no? Points gained from losing positions this season- off the top of my head: Barnsley Away- 2 dropped or 1 gained, debatable but we did concede first. We also missed quite a few chances when ahead. Swansea Home- Point gained. Huddersfield Away- 1-0 down, to 2-1 up. QPR Away- Ditto. That said, this was mostly, with the exception of the last, up to early November. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 Just now, Mr Popodopolous said: Hmm, it's variable- do we do it enough no? Points gained from losing positions this season- off the top of my head: Barnsley Away- 2 dropped or 1 gained, debatable but we did concede first. Swansea Home- Point gained. Huddersfield Away- 1-0 down, to 2-1 up. QPR Away- Ditto. That said, this was mostly, with the exception of the last, up to early November. Semenyo changed the game alone at Huddersfield. QPR, yes we were much better when going behind but others? It’s been pretty soft and passive otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, Lew-T said: Semenyo changed the game alone at Huddersfield. QPR, yes we were much better when going behind but others? It’s been pretty soft and passive otherwise. Those are the only 4 I think- Barnsley is quite a tricky away game and not least for us- wasn't it a 10th minute of stoppage time penalty or something daft that stopped that being another turnaround? On the flipside, I believe we have won every game in which we have scored first- that's a fairly startling stat. @Silvio Dante Kalas can- at International level he does cross halfway, can be quite attacking from CB. Whether he is deployed that way here, is a different debate. FWIW, I've had a quick look- it's more points than Brentford have gained from losing positions, and about equal to Norwich and Swansea- so it's actually not bad, would we have done it last season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 For me it’s simple. When you play negatively, as we do, every now and again a player will go against the plan. Today, bizarrely, it was Kalas. Two or three times he did a long carry deep into Derby territory. I can’t believe that was the plan, but clearly he wanted to take the game by the scruff of the neck. As for when the whole team goes - today it was the 10-15 minutes pre HT. Some of that was undoubtedly due to Derby being shaken by the Bielik injury, but it still wasn’t a “great spell”, it was average. And in second half, we went back to the plan. Ultimately the manager controls the plan, good or bad. It’s at his door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturny Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 Has anyone else noticed our counter attack play has been literally nothing? It feels like instead of getting the ball forward after winning it in our half the plan is just to retain stable control and work it forward from the back at all costs. Really wish we could reinstall the 2017/18 season counterattacking play we had was so exciting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse With No Name Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 After going ahead in our last game and then shitting ourselves with 11 behind the ball for 60+ minutes, I honestly thought the best thing for a decent game today, would be to go one down earlyish. How wrong I was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 11 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Those are the only 4 I think- Barnsley is quite a tricky away game and not least for us- wasn't it a 10th minute of stoppage time penalty or something daft that stopped that being another turnaround? On the flipside, I believe we have won every game in which we have scored first- that's a fairly startling stat. @Silvio Dante Kalas can- at International level he does cross halfway, can be quite attacking from CB. Whether he is deployed that way here, is a different debate. FWIW, I've had a quick look- it's more points than Brentford have gained from losing positions, and about equal to Norwich and Swansea- so it's actually not bad, would we have done it last season? Two points: Kalas can- at International level he does cross halfway, can be quite attacking from CB. Whether he is deployed that way here, is a different debate. TBH that’s exactly my point. He can do that, but he doesn’t for us. That has to be tactical and in common with the rest of the team, IMO, he’s being deployed in an ultra negative way. And as Holden makes a big deal of being a fan, it makes me wonder what he’s a fan of! FWIW, I've had a quick look- it's more points than Brentford have gained from losing positions, and about equal to Norwich and Swansea- so it's actually not bad, would we have done it last season? That looks like a suspicious stat to me. My question is how often those teams have gone behind. I’m saying it’s far less than us, so naturally the opportunity to gain points is less. Your more appropriate stat is what percentage of turnarounds they’ve achieved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: Two points: Kalas can- at International level he does cross halfway, can be quite attacking from CB. Whether he is deployed that way here, is a different debate. TBH that’s exactly my point. He can do that, but he doesn’t for us. That has to be tactical and in common with the rest of the team, IMO, he’s being deployed in an ultra negative way. And as Holden makes a big deal of being a fan, it makes me wonder what he’s a fan of! FWIW, I've had a quick look- it's more points than Brentford have gained from losing positions, and about equal to Norwich and Swansea- so it's actually not bad, would we have done it last season? That looks like a suspicious stat to me. My question is how often those teams have gone behind. I’m saying it’s far less than us, so naturally the opportunity to gain points is less. Your more appropriate stat is what percentage of turnarounds they’ve achieved. I do think we could deploy players more positively and in a more suitable manner. As I did last season. More control would be nice, bit more stability too- as well as shots on goal- how we're set up often doesn't seem ideal to me. Okay that's a different way of looking at it- the basic metric though, pts gained from a losing position one site has 4th in that respect but who knows- seems less commonplace this season anyway at this level, across the board and again I query whether we would have made all 4 of the turnarounds last year- on the flipside, when we've scored first I think we've gone on to win every time. For all sides scoring first is important but for us, the first goal really seems to be vital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 9 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: I do think we could deploy players more positively and in a more suitable manner. As I did last season. More control would be nice, bit more stability too- as well as shots on goal- how we're set up often doesn't seem ideal to me. Okay that's a different way of looking at it- the basic metric though, pts gained from a losing position one site has 4th in that respect but who knows- seems less commonplace this season anyway at this level, across the board and again I query whether we would have made all 4 of the turnarounds last year- on the flipside, when we've scored first I think we've gone on to win every time. For all sides scoring first is important but for us, the first goal really seems to be vital. I think it does - and it narked me on Robins TV how Toby kept saying how we were a great comeback team when I really don’t see that. By nature though, the better a team you are, the less likely you are to concede. So we’ve probably turned around more games than Man City this year! Again, not a stat I’d hang my hat on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Top Robin said: I think many of us would agree that in most games this season we have had good periods of play where sometimes we have looked amazing - so I guess there is a decent team in there somewhere. The trouble is that it is always temporary - sometimes 15 minutes like today and sometimes a half. Why can't we just play like that for longer - what is causing us to go from a promotion looking team to a Div 2 team in a the space of few minutes. I must have blinked too much as I missed it today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, JonDolman said: Energy levels up top I think is one reason. Today we seemed happy to sit back in a compact 442 and they just pinged a ball out to the left a quick cross and goal. So obviously didnt work. Huddersfield we were on the front foot and were brilliant first 20 odd minutes, then intensity dropped, Fam, Palmer, Bakinson, and suddenly it was quite easy for Huddersfield to play it into advanced areas. Had we strengthened the midfield from a position of strength, Huddersfield might have gained a bit less of a foothold? Easy to say in hindsight, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 11 hours ago, Top Robin said: I think many of us would agree that in most games this season we have had good periods of play where sometimes we have looked amazing - so I guess there is a decent team in there somewhere. The trouble is that it is always temporary - sometimes 15 minutes like today and sometimes a half. Why can't we just play like that for longer - what is causing us to go from a promotion looking team to a Div 2 team in a the space of few minutes. Please explain your understanding of the word "Amazing" in relation to football. You must be watching a different football club to most of us. Passing the ball ten yards to a colleague, shooting on target, winning a throw in, are not amazing actions. Words beginning with letter A like abysmal, awful, come to mind not "amazing". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murraysrightplum Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 12 hours ago, slartibartfast said: We DID have good spells...........we kicked off TWICE ! Gets the pass completion % up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanjita Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 13 hours ago, Top Robin said: I think many of us would agree that in most games this season we have had good periods of play where sometimes we have looked amazing - so I guess there is a decent team in there somewhere. The trouble is that it is always temporary - sometimes 15 minutes like today and sometimes a half. Why can't we just play like that for longer - what is causing us to go from a promotion looking team to a Div 2 team in a the space of few minutes. I’ll have an 1/8 of that gear mate if you’ve got any left Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 hour ago, fanjita said: I’ll have an 1/8 of that gear mate if you’ve got any left Did you not read the post.............. Cmon.........Do you really think there’s any left Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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