Sir Leigh of Somerset Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Port Said Red said: Another one fast asleep when SC was trying to spend the whole budget on Andre Gray or Dwight Gayle, the money was there if he had tried to use it wisely. You miss the point, surely? SC only needed one or two top quality players to be added to a cracking team. He was trying to use it wisely. Compare the one or two players SC wanted/needed to complete his team to the fifty or so ? often useless articles signed under LJ's tenure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engvall’s Splinter Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: Another one fast asleep when SC was trying to spend the whole budget on Andre Gray or Dwight Gayle, the money was there if he had tried to use it wisely. By the sounds of it Cotterill was asleep when Lansdown renegotiated a potential deal for Harry McGuire. For the cost of Dwight Gayle - we instead had an Engvall, Hegeler, Taylor Moore, Adam Nagy and a Djuric. Fair point about using money wisely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 Just now, Sir Leigh of Somerset said: You miss the point, surely? SC only needed one or two top quality players to be added to a cracking team. He was trying to use it wisely. Compare the one or two players SC wanted/needed to complete his team to the fifty or so ? often useless articles signed under LJ's tenure. No, the point wrongly being made was that the purse strings were only loosened when LJ became Manager. SC was given a budget and attempted to sign two unobtainable players, if he had lowered his sights a little he may have got someone that fitted the bill. Either way the money was there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Port Said Red said: No, the point wrongly being made was that the purse strings were only loosened when LJ became Manager. SC was given a budget and attempted to sign two unobtainable players, if he had lowered his sights a little he may have got someone that fitted the bill. Either way the money was there. We’re they unobtainable if (allegedly) fees and wages had been agreed for both Gray and Maguire? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Port Said Red said: No, the point wrongly being made was that the purse strings were only loosened when LJ became Manager. SC was given a budget and attempted to sign two unobtainable players, if he had lowered his sights a little he may have got someone that fitted the bill. Either way the money was there. Funny that. Cotterill wanted Tomlin. Wasn’t allowed - wages too high. Cotts gets sacked… voila. Tomlin. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coach Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 He’ll still mess it up in my view 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 Year after year someone should be getting Sunderland promoted, but no one ever does. Fair play to him if he does manage it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon79 Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 4 hours ago, Selred said: Just appointed Jevons as first team coach. No idea what he's like as a coach but good pedigree from Everton. Is it a bit of a job for the boys though? Or maybe someone he knows/trusts? Bit like Pearson & Rennie. COYR 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishRed Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 2 hours ago, Engvall’s Splinter said: By the sounds of it Cotterill was asleep when Lansdown renegotiated a potential deal for Harry McGuire. For the cost of Dwight Gayle - we instead had an Engvall, Hegeler, Taylor Moore, Adam Nagy and a Djuric. Fair point about using money wisely. Don’t know the truth of it but I thought SC went on holiday thinking they were done deals only to find that the club had attempted to re-negotiate in his absence and both deals collapsed. Happy to be corrected. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, ScottishRed said: Don’t know the truth of it but I thought SC went on holiday thinking they were done deals only to find that the club had attempted to re-negotiate in his absence and both deals collapsed. Happy to be corrected. That is the story, I’m inclined to think there was a lot of truth in it. The source of it has a creditable source. That night in Portugal / Tenerife (?) I thought Cotts was gonna quit. He was steaming. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engvall’s Splinter Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 6 minutes ago, ScottishRed said: Don’t know the truth of it but I thought SC went on holiday thinking they were done deals only to find that the club had attempted to re-negotiate in his absence and both deals collapsed. Happy to be corrected. Yeah - that’s what I’m alluding too. Madness on SL’s part. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 Whatever happened to (£4m) Harry Maguire anyway? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Fordy62 said: Whatever happened to (£4m) Harry Maguire anyway? £2.5m Maguire, £4m Gray wasn’t it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexukhc Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 16 minutes ago, Davefevs said: £2.5m Maguire, £4m Gray wasn’t it? Lock this thread now, I want to cry.. then their was Gayle, Lingard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 4 hours ago, Port Said Red said: Another one fast asleep when SC was trying to spend the whole budget on Andre Gray or Dwight Gayle, the money was there if he had tried to use it wisely. Maybe we would have progressed instead of buying fifty odd nobodys . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 10 minutes ago, alexukhc said: Lock this thread now, I want to cry.. then their was Gayle, Lingard Not sure Lingard was anything more gossip. Gayle was a case of Gray or Gayle I think, not both….we had Kodjia by that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 4 hours ago, Sir Leigh of Somerset said: You miss the point, surely? SC only needed one or two top quality players to be added to a cracking team. He was trying to use it wisely. Compare the one or two players SC wanted/needed to complete his team to the fifty or so ? often useless articles signed under LJ's tenure. Exactly johnson ripped the team apart signed mostly crap and weve been suffering ever since. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 4 hours ago, Port Said Red said: No, the point wrongly being made was that the purse strings were only loosened when LJ became Manager. SC was given a budget and attempted to sign two unobtainable players, if he had lowered his sights a little he may have got someone that fitted the bill. Either way the money was there. Even allowing that cotterell would have signed two of the three you mentioned when deals were all set up till someone tried to renogotiate lansdown wouldnt have spent or wasted the grand total of fifty odd nobodys . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 2 hours ago, Davefevs said: We’re they unobtainable if (allegedly) fees and wages had been agreed for both Gray and Maguire? Very True Dave deals wete scuppered when cotts went on holiday . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted September 17, 2021 Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 11 hours ago, Port Said Red said: No, the point wrongly being made was that the purse strings were only loosened when LJ became Manager. SC was given a budget and attempted to sign two unobtainable players, if he had lowered his sights a little he may have got someone that fitted the bill. Either way the money was there. To put this into perspective, we got promoted when the ground was under renovation and the gates and therefore match day income were evidently restricted. I believe that SL would have preferred to have been promoted the following season when the stadium had been completed. We suddenly had Championship outgoings on a reduced revenue. We did well to avoid a catastrophy. As for two ‘ unobtainable ‘ players, the story is that both deals were agreed before Cotterill went on holiday. The club blew the negotiations and when SC returned he was furious and the rest is history. We will probably never know all the details but it does seem to nullify your argument. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan Posted September 17, 2021 Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 7 hours ago, Davefevs said: Not sure Lingard was anything more gossip. Gayle was a case of Gray or Gayle I think, not both….we had Kodjia by that point. The Lingard rumour was the result of one poster (who I haven’t seen since) telling us, for a fact, that we we’re in the process of signing him. At the time I got absolute pelters for my cynicism...from a poster called ‘Cynic’, which amused me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezo Posted September 17, 2021 Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 7 hours ago, RobintheRed Red said: Exactly johnson ripped the team apart signed mostly crap and weve been suffering ever since. I would say it looks more like Ashton sold the silver and signed most of the crap, sometimes LJ put his foot down and demanded players like Brownhill and Webster that didn't really suit Ashtons agenda but yeah bit of a side point - they were both in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted September 17, 2021 Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Major Isewater said: To put this into perspective, we got promoted when the ground was under renovation and the gates and therefore match day income were evidently restricted. I believe that SL would have preferred to have been promoted the following season when the stadium had been completed. We suddenly had Championship outgoings on a reduced revenue. We did well to avoid a catastrophy. As for two ‘ unobtainable ‘ players, the story is that both deals were agreed before Cotterill went on holiday. The club blew the negotiations and when SC returned he was furious and the rest is history. We will probably never know all the details but it does seem to nullify your argument. Do people honestly think that Cotts just ‘went on hols’ for 2 weeks and when he came back he just rocks in to SL office and says ‘so, what’s been happening since I’ve been gone’ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted September 17, 2021 Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, Rob k said: Do people honestly think that Cotts just ‘went on hols’ for 2 weeks and when he came back he just rocks in to SL office and says ‘so, what’s been happening since I’ve been gone’ When you put it like that it does sound a bit more unlikely. Who was the originator of this rumour? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted September 17, 2021 Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan said: The Lingard rumour was the result of one poster (who I haven’t seen since) telling us, for a fact, that we we’re in the process of signing him. At the time I got absolute pelters for my cynicism...from a poster called ‘Cynic’, which amused me. Actually if I remember rightly it was Alan Nixon in the Sun reporting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted September 17, 2021 Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 Be a interesting game at Ashton Gate next season if we are in the same league. I’m glad he’s gone and should of went a season earlier IMO. Surely he would get a decent reception wouldn’t he ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted September 17, 2021 Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 Just now, Red Army 75 said: Be a interesting game at Ashton Gate next season if we are in the same league. I’m glad he’s gone and should of went a season earlier IMO. Surely he would get a decent reception wouldn’t he ? I think it would be very mixed. I'd like to think he'd get a warm reception, but he's such a polarising figure there are some who'd boo I'm sure. Would be a bit strange if they did as he only ever tried his best. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted September 17, 2021 Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 I’d loved to have seen LJ here without Mark Ashton 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 17, 2021 Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 15 minutes ago, Rob k said: Do people honestly think that Cotts just ‘went on hols’ for 2 weeks and when he came back he just rocks in to SL office and says ‘so, what’s been happening since I’ve been gone’ I’m sure it wasn’t quite as simple as that, but Pelling allegedly meddled, tried to go back to Brentford / Hull and tried to do a “better” deal, and both clubs thought City / Pelling was taking the pi$$. In Hull’s case they upped the fee, basically saying if you want to take the pi$$, so will we. In Brentford’s case it was let’s see if anyone else is interested and if we can get more by way of a bidding war….that’s when Burnley came in and the £4m went to £6m, and Gray could start asking for more wages too, £18k instead of £14k. Things dragged on into the season. With Burnley’s interest, he was only ever gonna go there, despite us still trying. So, Cotts tried to get Gayle. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 17, 2021 Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 Just now, Rob k said: I’d loved to have seen LJ here without Mark Ashton Think that’s fair….they were bloody dangerous together! Would’ve liked to see LJ with Keith Burt! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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