Gregor, Again

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, firstdivision said:

I agree. The evidence against him is beginning to grow after two wins since February. Perhaps he’ll start to turn it around today with a victory at Boro…

A win is long overdue 

[robin_unreliant]

It will be interesting to see the comments after today's game. I'm a bit concerned that with CM up front on his own and no real pace in midfield we could really struggle away from AG. 

You can't argue with the stat quoted by Gregor. We don't create or score many goals. It feels like the set-up we saw last weekend could improve our home results but not convinced about it working against a team that dominates possession at their own ground.

If we don't play NW and struggle today then the cry to get him and TK playing will increase. Perhaps this is just Gregor focusing on a topic because he knows it is already being debated by supporters.

[Phileas Fogg]

12 hours ago, weepywall said:

To be fair to Gregor, isn't he doing exactly what he is supposed to be doing and getting people to read his articles, just like I have. 

Precisely - amazed people can’t see this. He knows exactly what he’s doing.

[Leveller]

1 hour ago, Phileas Fogg said:

Precisely - amazed people can’t see this. He knows exactly what he’s doing.

And Pearson is fair game given his snide attitude to the press so far. His record with us so far doesn’t warrant his arrogance. 

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, LondonBristolian said:

Agree with this. I’m a bit confused as to why so many people seem to think it is an issue that the local journalist isn’t super-pally with the club manager.

I agree with this and also think it madness advocating to overhaul a system after what are essentially two draws, one with a second string team and one with a team that, due to injuries and new signings, have barely played together.

MacGregor’s argument seems to be in essence that we need to get more support to Wells and that we don’t have wide players. I don’t think that is a reason to go to a system very dependent on wing backs. I do think it is a reason to look at how the 4-2-3-1 works so that the two on the outside of the three get in the box rather than stay wide when attacking. I couldn’t make the Blackpool game so I don’t know how the formation looked in the stadium. 

Pretty much 442 imho, Scott played closed to Martin.  But I actually recorded it as 4411.  It’s not a 1 striker 3 forward 4231 imho.  But I ain’t gonna lose any sleep over it, ok, maybe a bit

In terms of fluidity, no surprise that Weimann often ends up centrally.  Just take the goal:

Martin in the Blackpool sandwich but it’s Scott the furthest forward, Weimann waiting to pick up loose ball on right side.  You can see shape, back 4, King and James CM, Palmer LW, etc.

King crosses, he has Alex Scott on right wing outside him, who’s made a 30 yard run wide, Vyner beyond everyone on the overlap.  Weimann has run offside but attracts Martin’s marker, who lets Martin peel off the back of him.  Edge of box, Palmer and King.  One other thing (that I didn’t notice when doing these) is that both Baker and Dasilva are t stood hands on hip on halfway line, they are squeezing too.  So we attacked with 7 players, the front 6 and the RB.

Scott is now RW, Weimann CM, James box-2-box.

Much more fluid from a basic set up.

[harvey54]

I've stopped following Gregor on twitter. Just spouts the obvious all the time and his pieces are littered with grammatical errors and spelling mistakes. Shoddy journalism. 

Bring back journalists like Peter Godsiff

[Lack of Action Man]

Wonder what Stockhausen is up to these days? 

[Lrrr]

I'm just waiting for Pearson to ask Gregor where he thinks a game has gone wrong if he knows so much

[RedEyez]

29 minutes ago, Lrrr said:

I'm just waiting for Pearson to ask Gregor where he thinks a game has gone wrong if he knows so much

Me too and I can’t wait for it

[LondonBristolian]

3 hours ago, Robbored said:

I don’t see it as the locals journalist job to advise any manager on how the team should be set up let alone an established manager like Nige. 

GmGs role should be to report what’s going on at the the club particularly any player movement, injury updates and the managers views on upcoming matches and recent results. To that he needs to have a reasonable relationship with the manager and by producing ridiculous ratings on him and then ‘advising’ him on how to set up is only going to worsen the relationship.

Gregor is shooting himself in the foot.

Is it that unusual though?

Pearson has been in the game for thirty years and is no doubt aware everyone has an opinion on what the manager should be doing. I don't think it's that unusual for that to include local journalists.

Obviously Pearson is going to (quite righty) completely ignore MacGregor's advice, along with the advice of everyone on here and on Twitter. Which is exactly what he should do. But I don't agree at all the it's particularly unusual or damaging for MacGregor to have done this and I honestly don't believe it is going to particularly damage the relationship for the simple reason I don't really see why Pearson should or will pay this article any attention.

This feels like another in a series of threads about something that really is pretty much a non-issue. 

[LondonBristolian]

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

Pretty much 442 imho, Scott played closed to Martin.  But I actually recorded it as 4411.  It’s not a 1 striker 3 forward 4231 imho.  But I ain’t gonna lose any sleep over it, ok, maybe a bit

In terms of fluidity, no surprise that Weimann often ends up centrally.  Just take the goal:

Martin in the Blackpool sandwich but it’s Scott the furthest forward, Weimann waiting to pick up loose ball on right side.  You can see shape, back 4, King and James CM, Palmer LW, etc.

King crosses, he has Alex Scott on right wing outside him, who’s made a 30 yard run wide, Vyner beyond everyone on the overlap.  Weimann has run offside but attracts Martin’s marker, who lets Martin peel off the back of him.  Edge of box, Palmer and King.  One other thing (that I didn’t notice when doing these) is that both Baker and Dasilva are t stood hands on hip on halfway line, they are squeezing too.  So we attacked with 7 players, the front 6 and the RB.

Scott is now RW, Weimann CM, James box-2-box.

Much more fluid from a basic set up.

Cheers for this. I do think Weimann can make a massive difference. We had quite a static formation last season but Weimann is way more equipped to get around the pitch rather than hanging around on the touchline.

[Nogbad the Bad]

Gregor clearly thinks he talks a good game and obviously feels he has remarkable tactical prowess.

Hard to imagine these qualities will have escaped the notice of SL. 

Could these attempts by Gregor to rattle NP be because Gregor knows he has already been earmarked by SL as a possible future City manager, perhaps even NP's successor? 

Extraordinary if so, however after the baffling appointments of LJ and DH nothing is too ridiculous to be ruled out.  

 

 

Edited August 14, 2021 by Nogbad the Bad

[Robbored]

8 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

Is it that unusual tho?

Giving a manager a rating certainly is!

don't believe it is going to particularly damage the relationship for the simple reason I don't really see why Pearson should or will pay this article any attention.

Its very likely that Nige won’t have read anything GmG writes in the Post

 

 

[LondonBristolian]

1 minute ago, Robbored said:

 

I've seen managers given ratings by journalists loads of times before. What's a bit unusual, admittedly, is suddenly doing it having not done it before. 

[Strictly Obi]

10 hours ago, The Constant Rabbit said:

Probably time to finish your beer and go to bed mate.

No ned to be uncouth

Apologies for my lack of manners, i promise I'll try to be more like everyone else on here in future! 

[David Brent]

Gregor using Nigel for clout. He’s embarrassed himself there

[maxjak]

5 hours ago, Robbored said:

I don’t see it as the locals journalist job to advise any manager on how the team should be set up let alone an established manager like Nige. 

GmGs role should be to report what’s going on at the the club particularly any player movement, injury updates and the managers views on upcoming matches and recent results. To that he needs to have a reasonable relationship with the manager and by producing ridiculous ratings on him and then ‘advising’ him on how to set up is only going to worsen the relationship.

Gregor is shooting himself in the foot.

Yep...........God forbid Gregor should have an opinion?  He should sit at the back, and only ask, when prompted  "What is our goalkeepers favourite soap opera?"

[Robbored]

7 minutes ago, maxjak said:

Yep...........God forbid Gregor should have an opinion?  He should sit at the back, and only ask, when prompted  "What is our goalkeepers favourite soap opera?"

No problem him having having opinion but in his tole as a sports journalist he should keep his opinion about the beautiful game to himself when writing about City - I don’t read the Post for his opion on what set up Nige should employ.

I’d be far more interested in what Nige’s thoughts are.

[Mr Popodopolous]

Not read the article yet but Vyner at RWB sounds a terrible idea. Not fully sold on him at RB though over and above Simpson any day.

DaSilva at LWB isn't the worst but in general I'm more in favour of a back 4.

[maxjak]

1 minute ago, Robbored said:

No problem him having having opinion but in his tole as a sports journalist he should keep his opinion about the beautiful game to himself when writing about City - I don’t read the Post for his opion on what set up Nige should employ.

I’d be far more interested in what Nige’s thoughts are.

Good luck with that

[Leveller]

2 minutes ago, Robbored said:

No problem him having having opinion but in his tole as a sports journalist he should keep his opinion about the beautiful game to himself when writing about City - I don’t read the Post for his opion on what set up Nige should employ.

I’d be far more interested in what Nige’s thoughts are.

Where has this amazing bromance with “Nige” come from? Are you related? Either that or it’s like a teenage crush. Get a grip.

[City Rocker]

Shots fired.

Go on Nige, smack 'im! 

[Davefevs]

16 minutes ago, Robbored said:

No problem him having having opinion but in his tole as a sports journalist he should keep his opinion about the beautiful game to himself when writing about City - I don’t read the Post for his opion on what set up Nige should employ.

I’d be far more interested in what Nige’s thoughts are.

Disagree, he can write whatever he likes....he's writing for his audience in this piece, the fans....not to Nige.  If he does that in a media interview that's very different.  Huge difference between both channels.

[nellie]

only rated 4 today 

Edited August 14, 2021 by nellie

[Sarumred]

Oh dear, he’s only given NP 4 in his ratings. 

[old_eastender]

1 minute ago, Sarumred said:

Oh dear, he’s only given NP 4 in his ratings. 

fair I'd say...as were he player rating aside for Weimann getting a 6, I'd have given AW a 3.

[GrahamC]

4 minutes ago, Sarumred said:

Oh dear, he’s only given NP 4 in his ratings. 

Embarrassing, no one at that paper is doing this for Barton.

[Clevedon Red]

Think he’s on a mission to royally piss off NP.

Edited August 14, 2021 by Clevedon Red

[RoystonFoote'snephew]

Expect him to continue his feud until NP plays the system or players Gregor wants. 

[Davefevs]

6 minutes ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said:

Expect him to continue his feud until NP plays the system or players Gregor wants. 

Remember when everyone was urging Cotts to go to a back 4, and he did at Derby (a) and we lost 4-0/4-1.

[chinapig]

6 hours ago, Robbored said:

No problem him having having opinion but in his tole as a sports journalist he should keep his opinion about the beautiful game to himself when writing about City - I don’t read the Post for his opion on what set up Nige should employ.

I’d be far more interested in what Nige’s thoughts are.

So you expect an independent journalist to be a mouthpiece for the manager? The club has its own media team if you want a nice sanitised version approved by the manager.

Journalists write both factual and opinion pieces and the distinction between them is clear. Or do you think political journalists should not write opinion columns but only print what politicians tell them?

[Davefevs]

1 minute ago, chinapig said:

So you expect an independent journalist to be a mouthpiece for the manager? The club has its own media team if you want a nice sanitised version approved by the manager.

Journalists write both factual and opinion pieces and the distinction between them is clear. Or do you think political journalists should not write opinion columns but only print what politicians tell them?

Announce Laura Kuennsberg!

[Robbored]

11 minutes ago, chinapig said:

So you expect an independent journalist to be a mouthpiece for the manager? The club has its own media team if you want a nice sanitised version approved by the manager.

Journalists write both factual and opinion pieces and the distinction between them is clear. Or do you think political journalists should not write opinion columns but only print what politicians tell them?

Not at all - a huge difference between sports and political journalism.

[RoystonFoote'snephew]

21 minutes ago, chinapig said:

So you expect an independent journalist to be a mouthpiece for the manager? The club has its own media team if you want a nice sanitised version approved by the manager.

Journalists write both factual and opinion pieces and the distinction between them is clear. Or do you think political journalists should not write opinion columns but only print what politicians tell them?

I don't have a problem with a journalist writing an opinion but I do have a problem with being unprofessional. His scoring of NP, which does not appear to be the policy of the papervhe represents as its not applied to Barton at the SAGS, is, to use an Americanism, Busch League. There is a proud tradition of expert sports journalism in this country, even sometimes in the past at the Post, but GMcG falls miles short of such standards. 

[chinapig]

7 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Not at all - a huge difference between sports and political journalism.

Why? Both involve a combination of factual reporting and comment. Only the subject matter differs.

If you subscribed to The Athletic for instance would you expect it to be full of pieces approved by clubs rather than independent analysis and comment by journalists?

Still, as I say, the media team will give you the approved opinion if you prefer.

[chinapig]

11 minutes ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said:

I don't have a problem with a journalist writing an opinion but I do have a problem with being unprofessional. His scoring of NP, which does not appear to be the policy of the papervhe represents as its not applied to Barton at the SAGS, is, to use an Americanism, Busch League. There is a proud tradition of expert sports journalism in this country, even sometimes in the past at the Post, but GMcG falls miles short of such standards. 

Agreed, marks for managers are not my cup of tea. I don't take any notice of marks for players either.

But @Robboredargued that a football journalist should not express opinions, an entirely different thing.

Edit: I should add that the quality of local journalism has fallen across the board as the resources available have plummeted.

Edited August 14, 2021 by chinapig

[Robbored]

18 minutes ago, chinapig said:

Still, as I say, the media team will give you the approved opinion if you prefer.

The only attentionI pay to the ‘approved’ opinion is that on the OS - only  in the incoming and outgoing transfers.

[Clevedon Red]

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

Announce Laura Kuennsberg!

I have had her. Hence the wonky mouth

[robin_unreliant]

I heard Gregor was going on holiday but he seems to have gone silent for quite a few weeks. Everything from the BP is coming from James Piercy.

Any chance Nige has cost him his job as he did seem out of his depth when dealing with him?

[Davefevs]

1 minute ago, robin_unreliant said:

I heard Gregor was going on holiday but he seems to have gone silent for quite a few weeks. Everything from the BP is coming from James Piercy.

Any chance Nige has cost him his job as he did seem out of his depth when dealing with him?

Paternity leave…..just had a little boy.  Gregory Gregor McGregor.  Okay, it’s Reuben McGregor.

[Silvio Dante]

15 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Paternity leave…..just had a little boy.  Gregory Gregor McGregor.  Okay, it’s Reuben McGregor.

“Sources say that it was a difficult labour are wide of the mark, and it is believed McGregor is in the market for a further child to strengthen his care in retirement”

[tin]

57 minutes ago, robin_unreliant said:

I heard Gregor was going on holiday but he seems to have gone silent for quite a few weeks. Everything from the BP is coming from James Piercy.

Any chance Nige has cost him his job as he did seem out of his depth when dealing with him?

And it's no coincidence the City content on Bristol Live has drastically improved since Piercy's been doing it. Funny how Nige's answers in BL are more in-depth as well. Decent questions get decent answers. 

[maxjak]

8 hours ago, robin_unreliant said:

I heard Gregor was going on holiday but he seems to have gone silent for quite a few weeks. Everything from the BP is coming from James Piercy.

Any chance Nige has cost him his job as he did seem out of his depth when dealing with him?

Talking of | 'Out of your depth".....try to keep up?   Nige and Mcgregorface will be around for a long time yet,  don't believe the hype...they get on just fine.     

[Super]

8 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Paternity leave…..just had a little boy.  Gregory Gregor McGregor.  Okay, it’s Reuben McGregor.

Not Nigel?

[Norn Iron]

No matter what kind of question was asked by Gregor to his wife on how she was doing during the birth, she would have sounded like Nige when angry but but ramped up x1000!