Let’s blame Johnson

[Herbsley]

This has been like watching the days of O Driscoll. Makes me laugh when I read on here people blaming LJ for all our current travails. Bring me back his style of football any day. 

[David Brent]

Bring back the funds he had too

[ROKERITE]

Is it all right to blame him for the pig's ear he's making of things at SAFC?

[Smokey]

32 minutes ago, Herbsley said:

This has been like watching the days of O Driscoll. Makes me laugh when I read on here people blaming LJ for all our current travails. Bring me back his style of football any day. 

It's almost an exact copy of after his dad left.

[Galley is our king]

Sorry but he's doing really well in Torquay 

[Back of the net]

3 minutes ago, David Brent said:

Bring back the funds he had too

His nett transfer spend was a healthy profit. 

[Dynamite Red]

1 minute ago, Back of the net said:

His nett transfer spend was a healthy profit. 

Not when you look at the mess of a wage bill he and Ashton left. 

[Herbsley]

That’ll be the funds he had from the sales he had to make.

So bored with all the ‘it’s all LJ’s fault’. Since the messiah took over we have been absolutely dire. The last two games have said it all. Even with the 3 points on Saturday there is no avoiding that we were fortunate to come away with a win and notwithstanding, the recent games have been totally turgid to watch!!

[Edgy Red]

4 minutes ago, David Brent said:

Bring back the funds he had too

To be fair he had funds because we had consistantly raised money by selling players... Kodjia, Magnússon, Kelly etc.

The FFP debate annoys the hell out out of me but at least LJ gave players a chance who went on to make us decent profits.

If Nige has to cash in on Massengo or Bentley to bring in a couple of forward options then so be it

[Fuber]

2 minutes ago, Dynamite Red said:

Not when you look at the mess of a wage bill he and Ashton left. 

This

[054123]

38 minutes ago, Herbsley said:

This has been like watching the days of O Driscoll. Makes me laugh when I read on here people blaming LJ for all our current travails. Bring me back his style of football any day. 

Who blames Johnson?

I have an opinion on his tenure but I don’t blame him for where the club is now. Far more culpable candidates

[Fuber]

2 minutes ago, Edgy Red said:

To be fair he had funds because we had consistantly raised money by selling players... Kodjia, Magnússon, Kelly etc.

The FFP debate annoys the hell out out of me but at least LJ gave players a chance who went on to make us decent profits.

If Nige has to cash in on Massengo or Bentley to bring in a couple of forward options then so be it

This ignores the tens of signings made under LJ and MA's purview that didn't make it with us. Engvall, Szmodics, Eisa, plus a multitude of others.

Edited November 2, 2021 by Fuber

[Back of the net]

2 minutes ago, Dynamite Red said:

Not when you look at the mess of a wage bill he and Ashton left. 

We're 18th and you don't think Wells, Martin, James, King and Simpon aren't picking up a fair whack? Our wage bill is no better. 

[Lew-T]

10 minutes ago, David Brent said:

Bring back the funds he had too

Haha absolutely this!

Nige brings in League 1 and 2 players to build for the future. LJ brings in £3m foreign gambles…

Massengo being the turd that eventually stuck to the wall…

[Fordy62]

4 minutes ago, Back of the net said:

We're 18th and you don't think Wells, Martin, James, King and Simpon aren't picking up a fair whack? Our wage bill is no better. 

Who brought in Wells?

[glynriley]

5 minutes ago, Back of the net said:

We're 18th and you don't think Wells, Martin, James, King and Simpon aren't picking up a fair whack? Our wage bill is no better. 

I'd bet Tanner and Atkinson are on a hell of a lot less then the likes of Adelakun,Walsh and Watkins. 

And they've probably played more games already. 

[Edgy Red]

3 minutes ago, Fuber said:

This ignores the tens of signings made under LJ and MA's purview that didn't make it with us. Engvall, Szmodics, Eisa, plus a multitude of others.

But again to be fair we got our money back on players like Eisa and Szmodics. 

Of course there were mistakes and i'm not denying that Johnson was backed financially but i just don't see where Nige is taking us (other than Lg1)

It was clear to every single City fan that we needed offensive reinforcements in the summer and if that meant that we didn't spend nearly 2million on Atkinson then so be it

[Back of the net]

5 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

Who brought in Wells?

Got me there. I think my point still stands though, this isn't a low wage team.

[Gillies Downs Leeds]

2 minutes ago, Back of the net said:

Got me there. I think my point still stands though, this isn't a low wage team.

It is a lot smaller squad than under LJ so the wage bill is considerably less than it was.

[Fordy62]

4 minutes ago, Back of the net said:

Got me there. I think my point still stands though, this isn't a low wage team.

It’s much lower compared to what it was, but granted, still not low. 

Edited November 2, 2021 by Fordy62

[Fuber]

4 minutes ago, Edgy Red said:

But again to be fair we got our money back on players like Eisa and Szmodics. 

Of course there were mistakes and i'm not denying that Johnson was backed financially but i just don't see where Nige is taking us (other than Lg1)

It was clear to every single City fan that we needed offensive reinforcements in the summer and if that meant that we didn't spend nearly 2million on Atkinson then so be it

We may have broke even on the initial fee, but we still blew wages on them for a year apiece in Sammie and Eisa's cases.

They're a small portion of the profits blown that I could name, I could go on to list Magnússon, Djuric, Taylor Moore, Hegeler, Gary O'Neil, Joel Ekstrand, Giefer, Marinovic, Adelakun, among many others.

The list goes on and on with regards to Money wasted on the wage bill.

[Simon79]

It’s delusional if people relate any recent performances ( or lack of! ) to LJ. For one, there has been another manager between him & Pearson. COYR 

[Edgy Red]

1 minute ago, Fuber said:

We may have broke even on the initial fee, but we still blew wages on them for a year apiece in Sammie and Eisa's cases.

They're a small portion of the profits blown that I could name, I could go on to list Magnússon, Djuric, Taylor Moore, Hegeler, Gary O'Neil, Joel Ekstrand, Giefer, Marinovic, Adelakun, among many others.

The list goes on and on with regards to Money wasted on the wage bill.

I completely agree Fuber and i'm certainly not denying that Johnson brought alot of players in, many of which didn't work out.

I think what is frustrating me most is that we are no further forward than we were 2 or 3 years ago.

Pearson was appointed as someone who would shake things up and sort us out, but if anything, we are going backwards.

We are in a relegation battle and the January window will be pivotal as to whether we survive in The Champ.

[big dosser]

i never liked lj but there is no way im blaming him and letting np of the hook, nige has been here long enough to sort this shit out. There is many teams in this league that have a small budget and play alot better football than us and know how to shoot and where the bloody net is.we have players that don't look committed no shape no fresh idea's and no pattern to are play.

[Fuber]

13 minutes ago, Edgy Red said:

I completely agree Fuber and i'm certainly not denying that Johnson brought alot of players in, many of which didn't work out.

I think what is frustrating me most is that we are no further forward than we were 2 or 3 years ago.

Pearson was appointed as someone who would shake things up and sort us out, but if anything, we are going backwards.

We are in a relegation battle and the January window will be pivotal as to whether we survive in The Champ.

Not sure I agree 100% with this.

I can't compare to the second half of last season, as players simply downed tools altogether. It wouldn't be fair. No manager is getting anything from that squad, ie. the previous fitness disaster earlier last season, let alone the morale impact of the contractual situations being what they were i.e. Pato, Hunt, Diedhiou, Watkins, Walsh, etc.

I agree to us having gone backwards, but that's as has been highlighted is something with regards to the coaching.

Of whom we have sacked our two most senior in the last 10 days aside from Fleming. Likely no coincidence.

My suspicion is that part of the reasoning for NP's watching from the stands is to see how well organised and communicative we are with regards to movement between phases - basic coaching for a match day, I.e. pressing. I assume he hasn't been pleased with his findings, hence Downing and Simpson being shown the door. Will be interesting how soon any appointment to the staff will come.

Add in Benarous coming on against Barnsley and Pearson's ethos on training and match day performance deciding his squad for him, it makes you question the dedication behind the scenes when Ayman is beating Palmer and O'Dowda to the first 11, among others.

Ive said it before, but if we avoid relegation this season, can only be a positive in my book.

[Bris Red]

1 hour ago, Herbsley said:

This has been like watching the days of O Driscoll. Makes me laugh when I read on here people blaming LJ for all our current travails. Bring me back his style of football any day. 

Nobody is blaming Johnson you absolute belter, plenty blaming Ashton and Lansdown but you have clearly fabricated the Johnson thing in your own head.

[Edgy Red]

4 minutes ago, Fuber said:

Not sure I agree 100% with this.

I can't compare to the second half of last season, as players simply downed tools altogether. It wouldn't be fair. No manager is getting anything from that squad, ie. the previous fitness disaster earlier last season, let alone the morale impact of the contractual situations being what they were i.e. Pato, Hunt, Diedhiou, Watkins, Walsh, etc.

I agree to us having gone backwards, but that's as has been highlighted is something with regards to the coaching.

Of whom we have sacked our two most senior in the last 10 days aside from Fleming. Likely no coincidence.

My suspicion is that part of the reasoning for NP's watching from the stands is to see how well organised and communicative we are with regards to movement between phases - basic coaching for a match day, I.e. pressing. I assume he hasn't been pleased with his findings, hence Downing and Simpson being shown the door. Will be interesting how soon any appointment to the staff will come.

Add in Benarous coming on against Barnsley and Pearson's ethos on training and match day performance deciding his squad for him, it makes you question the dedication behind the scenes when Ayman is beating Palmer and O'Dowda to the first 11, among others.

Ive said it before, but if we avoid relegation this season, can only be a positive in my book.

I agree with everything you're saying BUT excuses can only go on for so long.

His record since he took over is poor and more worryingly, performances have been shambolic. The few wins we have gained have been where luck has fallen on our side with Barnsley being a prime example at the weekend.

I am not calling for Nige to be sacked, but as other posters have stated, i expected a bit better and at the very least, a team that was organised and physically competitive.

[Lrrr]

1 hour ago, David Brent said:

Bring back the funds he had too

Cool can we not have the financial issues caused by Covid while we’re at it 

[David Brent]

9 minutes ago, Lrrr said:

Cool can we not have the financial issues caused by Covid while we’re at it 

If you want

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, Back of the net said:

His nett transfer spend was a healthy profit. 

Arrrrrggggggggghhhhhhh, I’m not gonna have to do another effing net spend bollax post am I.  It’s late!

My simple response is…..you cannot judge on net spend.  There are too many variables for starters….e.g. who signed them in the first place, what about the values of the players he signed that are still here.  Then for seconds, there are far more things going on than net effing spend!

I will never blame Lee alone, he did some good things.  But together with MA (with SL the biggest culprit) they wasted a tonne of money.  As a collective, they lost £41m in 4 seasons.

So feel free to give Johnson the credit for net spend, but it’s very blinkered way of looking of it.

Sorry to rant….you touched a nerve on the whole financial thing….if you have haven’t seen me rant at @lukebcfc1989on exactly this subject, I apologise.  It’s an area I e spent countless hours looking at.

I just posted a response on another thread where someone wrote.

1 hour ago, Dynamite Red said:

Not when you look at the mess of a wage bill he and Ashton left. 

Thank you.

[RobintheRed Red]

9 hours ago, Herbsley said:

This has been like watching the days of O Driscoll. Makes me laugh when I read on here people blaming LJ for all our current travails. Bring me back his style of football any day. 

What bullshit style and baffle its starting at Blunderland .

[Fordy62]

6 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said:

5 off top with a game in hand is making a pigs ear of things?

 

Their forum doesn’t make pleasant reading…

Apparently they were the best team between the boxes last night… it hasn’t gone down well. 

[Waconda]

9 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

Their forum doesn’t make pleasant reading…

Apparently they were the best team between the boxes last night… it hasn’t gone down well. 

They should thank their lucky stars the haven't got Pearson going on about seats on bus's.

[MC RISK77]

9 hours ago, ROKERITE said:

Is it all right to blame him for the pig's ear he's making of things at SAFC?

3 points off top 2 and quarter finals of league cup…rather have your season than ours fella

[firstdivision]

9 hours ago, Herbsley said:

That’ll be the funds he had from the sales he had to make.

So bored with all the ‘it’s all LJ’s fault’. Since the messiah took over we have been absolutely dire. The last two games have said it all. Even with the 3 points on Saturday there is no avoiding that we were fortunate to come away with a win and notwithstanding, the recent games have been totally turgid to watch!!

Perfectly articulated. 

[Northern Red]

1 hour ago, VT05763 said:

They should thank their lucky stars the haven't got Pearson going on about seats on bus's.

He's done that no more than twice, you talk as if he does it in every single interview.

I get that you don't like him and would rather he wasn't here, but you'd be taken far more seriously if you didn't make things up to suit your agenda.

[BS3_RED]

11 hours ago, Herbsley said:

This has been like watching the days of O Driscoll. Makes me laugh when I read on here people blaming LJ for all our current travails. Bring me back his style of football any day. 

Thats not what the Sunderland fans think. Their forum is more angry than this one.

 

 

 

 

Edited November 3, 2021 by BS3_RED

[Clutton Caveman]

11 hours ago, ROKERITE said:

Is it all right to blame him for the pig's ear he's making of things at SAFC?

I have the feeling they are just about to experience an LJ losing streak

[Portland Bill]

2 hours ago, MC RISK77 said:

3 points off top 2 and quarter finals of league cup…rather have your season than ours fella

Sounds like us 3-4 seasons ago, we know how that ended. With them getting trounced twice in a few days, and conceding 8 goals in the process, it seems he’s being consistent!! 

[Waconda]

1 hour ago, Northern Red said:

He's done that no more than twice, you talk as if he does it in every single interview.

I get that you don't like him and would rather he wasn't here, but you'd be taken far more seriously if you didn't make things up to suit your agenda.

He did talk about seats on a bus - that is a fact. nothing made up.

[Ska Junkie]

Is LJ culpable for our current situation? Maybe to some degree but, IMHO, the main culprit is the used car salesman with his egotistical spending and appointment of 'the outstanding candidate' to replace LJ. I don't blame Holden for taking it but Ashton for even thinking it was the right appointment.

Did he run as he could see his cock up and what would happen?

Useless, egotistical, slimy prat! 

[Northern Red]

33 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

He did talk about seats on a bus - that is a fact. nothing made up.

Yes, I know he did, I said as much in my post.

My point is that you and others talk as if he pulls it out in every interview and use it as a stick to beat him with when he's done nothing of the sort.

[Waconda]

4 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said:

Is LJ culpable for our current situation? Maybe to some degree but, IMHO, the main culprit is the used car salesman with his egotistical spending and appointment of 'the outstanding candidate' to replace LJ. I don't blame Holden for taking it but Ashton for even thinking it was the right appointment.

Did he run as he could see his cock up and what would happen?

Useless, egotistical, slimy prat! 

He employed Pearson.

[Kid in the Riot]

12 hours ago, David Brent said:

Bring back the funds he had too

And pray tell, who signs this wage bill off?

[Waconda]

2 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

Yes, I know he did, I said as much in my post.

My point is that you and others talk as if he pulls it out in every interview and use it as a stick to beat him with when he's done nothing of the sort.

Ah O.K. 

But just to be clear nothing was made up ?

[Phileas Fogg]

39 minutes ago, Clutton Caveman said:

I have the feeling they are just about to experience an LJ losing streak

It will be quite interesting to see if he has learned his lesson and is able to turn it around. They've had 2 bad defeats and are going to acquire more games in hand due to internationals. He will have to get a win in the next couple of games I think or his job will be under threat. 

[Kid in the Riot]

1 hour ago, BS3_RED said:

Thats not what the Sunderland fans think. Their forum is more angry than this one.

Hardly surprising given their last two results. I doubt it was particularly "angry" last Thursday though, after they'd just knocked out a top end C'ship club in the League Cup to secure a place in the QFs and were second in the league. 

[Ska Junkie]

4 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

He employed Pearson.

Appreciated but most were happy to get a 'proven' Manager. IMHO, the damage was already done.

Yes, our time under NP has been abject but the decline started way before NP arrived.

Up to now, disappointingly, NP has been unable to stop that decline. Can he do it? Not sure TBH.

Edited November 3, 2021 by Ska Junkie

[Waconda]

1 minute ago, Ska Junkie said:

Appreciated but most were happy to get a 'proven' Manager. IMHO, the damage was already done.

Yes, our time under NP has been abject but the decline started way before NP arrived.

You may have a point there but there is some convenient re-writing of history from some at times.

[Ska Junkie]

4 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

You may have a point there but there is some convenient re-writing of history from some at times.

I don't disagree VT, that is spot on IMHO!

Edited November 3, 2021 by Ska Junkie

[1960maaan]

49 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said:

Appreciated but most were happy to get a 'proven' Manager. IMHO, the damage was already done.

Yes, our time under NP has been abject but the decline started way before NP arrived.

Up to now, disappointingly, NP has been unable to stop that decline. Can he do it? Not sure TBH.

I typed out pretty much this, then deleted it as I went on.

One thing I'd say though, the fans weren't just happy to get a proven/experienced Manager, they (we) were desperate for it.
I also came to the same conclusion as you.

The thing I get stuck with, we needed a big rebuild. Pearson has started with the backroom staff, and with the 2 coaches leaving I have the feeling he is nearer completing that. He may want to add DoF, head scout or someone, but it feels like a big part of that job is done. While he has been handicapped with limited funds and having to offload 14 or so players. I'm still concerned.  If we changed manager/coach now we would almost be starting again and the last 2 changes haven't brought much of an upturn in form. 
I have no idea who would be available, I do think that Lansdown will have thought about change though. Relegation would be a massive step back and could see us struggle to get back quickly. 

Without doubt, this decline started under Johnson. How much was Ashtons fault, who knows. Holden couldn't address it, Pearson looks like he can't. But where do you go from here?