Bs4Red Posted November 2, 2021 Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 Vyner (abysmal) under 61.4 pass completion. Kalas 60.8% pass completion. Atkinson 68.6% pass completion. No wonder we cannot play football, when our back 3 give the ball away 1 in 3 times they have it. Pathetic. No game plan or style of play, this is for the manager to solve. So embarrassing, be disappointed in the toolstation if you gave the ball away 1/3 times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grifty Posted November 2, 2021 Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 They've got no-one to pass it to. Midfield is completely static, none of them want the ball. I'd be tempted to go; Kalas Atkinson Baker Tanner Massengo James Pring Palmer Weimann Wells Weimann can't pass 5 yards so we can't have him in the 'playmaker' role. Get Palmer there and playing through balls to Wells and Andi. Keep Tanner and Pring further forward and wider so we actually have some width when attacking and defending. We'd be top by Feb! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extonsred Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 Our opaassing first half was way better than Brums! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redrob Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 7 hours ago, grifty said: They've got no-one to pass it to. Midfield is completely static, none of them want the ball. I'd be tempted to go; Kalas Atkinson Baker Tanner Massengo James Pring Palmer Weimann Wells Weimann can't pass 5 yards so we can't have him in the 'playmaker' role. Get Palmer there and playing through balls to Wells and Andi. Keep Tanner and Pring further forward and wider so we actually have some width when attacking and defending. We'd be top by Feb! I honestly don't think that with the players available there is a solution. I do agree though the lack of movement in midfield is a core problem. I've never seen a CM player move less or more slowly then Tyreeq Bakinson. Even LJ in his time was more dynamic. James/King/O'Dowda are not dynamic, Massengo is the only one who in that position can create space but if he's the only one doing it hell easily be picked off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 13 minutes ago, extonsred said: Our opaassing first half was way better than Brums! 62% possession. So we can do it when we try! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 Said it before this is the worst passing City team i can remember. Embarrassing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 (edited) The midfield and defence have no one to pass to. Every one of them gets their head up and looks for an option. Problem is their options are Weimann, Wells and Martin. There is no out ball. Teams are happy to push up and let us pump it down the channel and take their chances in a foot race with Chris Martin. Teams can press us without fear of a dangerous counter attack for the most part. So they are all playing in these small pockets of space in our own half. So the defence lump it. The midfield and wingback try to play it into that front 3 but they lose it more than they hold it up. We have tried loads of different formations and personnel at the back and in midfield. Where we haven’t tried changing it is up front. Edited November 3, 2021 by JoeAman08 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clutton Caveman Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 9 hours ago, Bs4Red said: Vyner (abysmal) under 61.4 pass completion. Kalas 60.8% pass completion. Atkinson 68.6% pass completion. No wonder we cannot play football, when our back 3 give the ball away 1 in 3 times they have it. Pathetic. No game plan or style of play, this is for the manager to solve. So embarrassing, be disappointed in the toolstation if you gave the ball away 1/3 times. Hard to pass from the back when everyone is either stationary, running away from you or hiding. When you next watch us freeze frame when our defenders get the ball from Bentley. Even Pele would struggle to find a decent pass in that situation 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jj77 Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 I'd imagine most of those would be 50+ yard balls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waconda Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Super said: Said it before this is the worst passing City team i can remember. Embarrassing. "take a touch and knock it" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneTeamInBristol Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 9 hours ago, grifty said: They've got no-one to pass it to. Midfield is completely static, none of them want the ball. I'd be tempted to go; Kalas Atkinson Baker Tanner Massengo James Pring Palmer Weimann Wells Weimann can't pass 5 yards so we can't have him in the 'playmaker' role. Get Palmer there and playing through balls to Wells and Andi. Keep Tanner and Pring further forward and wider so we actually have some width when attacking and defending. We'd be top by Feb! I think you're going to be disappointed if you're expecting to see Palmer back in a city shirt anytime soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 Possession in our own half among the defenders and keeper until we hoof it up field towards the cart horse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 1 hour ago, OneTeamInBristol said: I think you're going to be disappointed if you're expecting to see Palmer back in a city shirt anytime soon. Next cab off the rank isn't he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 We've not won this season whilst having more possession than the other team. We don't know what to do with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 1 hour ago, VT05763 said: "take a touch and knock it" Wasn’t that last night for 55-60 mins though was it. We did try to build….and actually were quite successful in getting into decent positions. We made 291/379 passes. Our 2nd best number of passes all season (Millwall away where they let us have the ball). 1st half: 196 passes / 149 successful mins 45-60: 68 passes / 52 successful Opening hour: 264 passes / 201 complete Then the 60-75 min period that had Deeney’s goal and culminated with Gardner one minute after 75….just 44 passes, a 30% drop off. We couldn’t get the ball back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waconda Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 6 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Wasn’t that last night for 55-60 mins though was it. We did try to build….and actually were quite successful in getting into decent positions. We made 291/379 passes. Our 2nd best number of passes all season (Millwall away where they let us have the ball). 1st half: 196 passes / 149 successful mins 45-60: 68 passes / 52 successful Opening hour: 264 passes / 201 complete Then the 60-75 min period that had Deeney’s goal and culminated with Gardner one minute after 75….just 44 passes, a 30% drop off. We couldn’t get the ball back. Appreciated but after watching our last few home games our default tactics resemble very much a "take a touch and bang forward" approach. Certainly appears that way to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 34 minutes ago, VT05763 said: Appreciated but after watching our last few home games our default tactics resemble very much a "take a touch and bang forward" approach. Certainly appears that way to me. Yep. Although you could argue Barnsley make most teams play like that. Would’ve been nice to see us try to play like we did for 55 mins last night against Barnsley. It’s very different to early season, when there was a definite mix of passing style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuber Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 It's why Scott is so effective. He actually wants the ball. We need one of him and/or Palmer on the pitch with Massengo to give some options. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bs4Red Posted November 3, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 3 hours ago, Davefevs said: Yep. Although you could argue Barnsley make most teams play like that. Would’ve been nice to see us try to play like we did for 55 mins last night against Barnsley. It’s very different to early season, when there was a definite mix of passing style. I genuinely didn’t think we played 5 mins of decent football last night let alone 55. One or two nice passes and switches of play then a lump forward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Bs4Red said: I genuinely didn’t think we played 5 mins of decent football last night let alone 55. One or two nice passes and switches of play then a lump forward That’s fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tj81829 Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 I think our issue yesterday was getting the ball from defence into midfield. Bakinson in particular had a habit of hiding behind the Birmingham press and not being an option to the centre backs (McTominay does the same for Man U). Palmer probably doesn't play deep enough to be part of that pivot and its probably why King gets the nod and is able to use his experience to connect the lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 17 hours ago, Bs4Red said: No wonder we cannot play football, when our back 3 give the ball away 1 in 3 times they have it. Not just them. I've posted several time in other threads that soooo many passes or crosses are under or overhit and give / gift the ball to the oppos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Swan and Cemetery Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 Development opportunity for Atkinson is to work out when he can win the ball and plausibly get it to a team mate. Currently he seems determined to win the first ball (great attitude), even when likely outcome is him out of the game (eg on the floor after a stretching header) and an opponent with the ball at their feet in a reasonably dangerous decision, as ball was never there to be won easily enough to direct it to a teammate as well as winning it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 I was watching the game last night and was genuinely wondering if we could ask Birmingham to wear red as there was very little chance of our players passing to them if they did, something we did / do with alarming regularity. Other teams seem to manage to pass to their team mates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 Ironically though, the 1st goal featured parts of some nice quick passing and the 2nd goal too- plus the Wells break. Talking about Saturday. Last night, thought we were alright in possession 1st half, but 2nd half was fairly terrible in all areas- especially after James went off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offside Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 11 hours ago, Super said: Said it before this is the worst passing City team i can remember. Embarrassing. Agree, it is truly awful. We often can’t even make basic passes and there is so little movement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westex red Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 NP has sped up our passing game which is great, the problem is our players do not possess the skills to carry this out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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