Vaccine Passport - Plan B

[Bristol Rob]

Sounds like it's only a few hours away from being introduced.

I know we had a thread on this at the start of the rollout of jabs and views were mixed, but seeing as it's being widely reported that it'll be announced today, what are the thoughts now?

[Steve Watts]

1 minute ago, Bristol Rob said:

Sounds like it's only a few hours away from being introduced.

I know we had a thread on this at the start of the rollout of jabs and views were mixed, but seeing as it's being widely reported that it'll be announced today, what are the thoughts now?

Maybe move it to the politics forum.

I don't have a problem with the passports myself, but understand how some would.

[Bristol Rob]

2 minutes ago, Steve Watts said:

Maybe move it to the politics forum.

I don't have a problem with the passports myself, but understand how some would.

Only put it here as it's a football matter, not a political one.

 

[Gazred]

Certainly going to make the logistics of it all more complicated.

Hope the club already have plans in place.

I won't be attending for other reasons but wouldn't have a problem with it. Just need to allow a bit more time for getting in and have your passport at hand.

 

[lenred]

15 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

Sounds like it's only a few hours away from being introduced.

I know we had a thread on this at the start of the rollout of jabs and views were mixed, but seeing as it's being widely reported that it'll be announced today, what are the thoughts now?

Happy for it to come in as COVID numbers are ramping back up and anything to help the NHS is welcome IMHO.

Hoping City / Bears have plans in place for organising it and how the logistics will impact upon match days. Can see it being a mare tbh!  

[Kid in the Riot]

Given Omicron is predicted to be the predominant covid variant by Christmas/New Year, and as yet there is no evidence that the first two-dose vaccine has a significant impact against it, it feels like another ill-thought out policy. Most likely being introduced to distract us from other matters (can't think what...)

[Bristol Rob]

Once again, the MODS of this forum being as in touch as the Tories.

Doesn't matter WHO introduces Plan B, but rather the impact on those who go to games and how they might decide not to bother, will get there earlier, will use or won't use public transport.

So I maintain football chat is still the right place for this!

[lenred]

1 minute ago, Bristol Rob said:

Once again, the MODS of this forum being as in touch as the Tories.

Doesn't matter WHO introduces Plan B, but rather the impact on those who go to games and how they might decide not to bother, will get there earlier, will use or won't use public transport.

So I maintain football chat is still the right place for this!

Agree.  Could have a good guess who’s done it as well.  Annoying that they do it tbh but it’s their ball I guess.  

[Bristol Rob]

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/boris-johnsons-plan-b-announcement-6321224

 

[Red7]

A good idea in my book. But so many months too late.

[Bristol Rob]

3 minutes ago, TomF said:

Go on because it wasn’t me if that’s what you’re suggesting 

Alright, Shaggy! 

(I never implied it was anyone, before people get upset!)

[MarcusX]

1 hour ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Given Omicron is predicted to be the predominant covid variant by Christmas/New Year, and as yet there is no evidence that the first two-dose vaccine has a significant impact against it, it feels like another ill-thought out policy. Most likely being introduced to distract us from other matters (can't think what...)

Someone just now on the radio said they appear to have confirmed that 2 jabs is not enough but the booster will be

1 hour ago, Bristol Rob said:

Once again, the MODS of this forum being as in touch as the Tories.

Doesn't matter WHO introduces Plan B, but rather the impact on those who go to games and how they might decide not to bother, will get there earlier, will use or won't use public transport.

So I maintain football chat is still the right place for this!

I agree with this, it’s a different topic to the general one

[Never to the dark side]

or soon after

could effect our travel to football games

[Bristol Rob]

1 minute ago, TomF said:

Oh he’s late starting the thing. Is he ever on time for anything 

Probably at a party.

[Totterdown's Finest]

I bet it won't be an apology. For anything. 

[Bristol Rob]

1 minute ago, TomF said:

Plan B it is then

Which will of course IMPACT FOOTBALL.

 

[TonyTonyTony]

Outside crowds of 4k?

(no Chernobyl jokes pls)

[Super]

1 minute ago, Bristol Rob said:

Which will of course IMPACT FOOTBALL.

 

PCR test will be needed?

[lenred]

41 minutes ago, TomF said:

Go on because it wasn’t me if that’s what you’re suggesting 

Not suggesting that at all? Not sure why the passive aggressive answer?
At a guess it would be Phantom. He used to move anything COVID related back in the day from the main forum, even when I and many others thought it a very relative discussion to football.
As I said though it’s you and the other moderators ball and you can do what you want with it. 

Edited December 8, 2021 by lenred

[phantom]

Just now, lenred said:

Not suggesting that at all? Not sure why the passive aggressive answer?
At a guess it would be Phantom. He used to move anything COVID related back in the day,  even when I and many others thought it very relative discussion to football. As I said though it’s your guys ball and you can go what you want me with it! 

Yes it was me because as always the topic will go off on a tangent, as always these threads are already going off topic. 

[LondonBristolian]

1 hour ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Given Omicron is predicted to be the predominant covid variant by Christmas/New Year, and as yet there is no evidence that the first two-dose vaccine has a significant impact against it, it feels like another ill-thought out policy. Most likely being introduced to distract us from other matters (can't think what...)

I saw earlier data showing there are 331 cases of known Omicron  in the EU, with no known hospitalisations as of yesterday. There are presumably an unknown number of further cases where someone is either asymptomatic, refused to be tested or has not been identified as having Omicron. 

It's way too early to say that means Omicron is milder, or that it won't cause hospitalisations in the future. However it also surely suggests the vaccines are doing something? Agree it is an ill-thought out policy but an absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. The likelihood is vaccines have an impact. We just don't know how much yet. 

[phantom]

16 minutes ago, TomF said:

Oh he’s late starting the thing. Is he ever on time for anything 

Was always scheduled for after 18:03

4 minutes ago, Super said:

PCR test will be needed?

No,just as before. 

Two jabs

[lenred]

Just now, phantom said:

Yes it was me because as always the topic will go off on a tangent, as always these threads are already going off topic. 

It’s football related though.  Very very much so. But your call. 

[phantom]

Just now, lenred said:

It’s football related though.  Very very much so. But your call. 

Very true, but it's those that take it off topic that ruin discussions. 

But agree with your point 

[daored]

Gosh Laura with an unexpected blow there 

[Steve Watts]

2 hours ago, Bristol Rob said:

Only put it here as it's a football matter, not a political one.

 

Yeah, apologies, I hadn't appreciated that the vaccine passport was going to impact on outdoor events. I still stand by my stance that I don't have any problem with it myself. 

[ralphindevon]

Crikey! With the terrorist threat security checks and the vaccine passport checks before you even get to the turnstiles, better get there mid morning for a 3 o'clock K.O. 

[Loco Rojo]

11 minutes ago, TomF said:

A negative LFT is all you need. So basically you can order a pack, scan the  QR code and say it’s negative.. 

(Not suggesting you are) but I struggle to understand why people would look for loop holes in this.

Setting up the NHS app to show your double vaccination takes a matter of minutes and is simple.

If you don't have a phone you can get a paper covid passport (I believe). Simple.

If you can't have the jabs for medical reasons then I'm sure there must be some excemptions in place (rightly).

If you're one of those that are anti vax or just couldn't be bothered to get vaccinated then **** em. No sympathy.

The only thing that is more of a concern or unknown to me is how the club is going to be set up ready to check EVERYONE and whether staff actually will.

Edited December 8, 2021 by Loco Rojo

[Lanterne Rouge]

So, we will need one (or a negative test result) for AG but lower league clubs won`t provided their crowds are less than 5k?

[LondonBristolian]

Just now, Lanterne Rouge said:

So, we will need one (or a negative test result) for AG but lower league clubs won`t provided their crowds are less than 5k?

So much easier for Rovers. Most socially distanced place in Bristol. 

[Lanterne Rouge]

5 minutes ago, ralphindevon said:

Crikey! With the terrorist threat security checks and the vaccine passport checks before you even get to the turnstiles, better get there mid morning for a 3 o'clock K.O. 

You have to anyway just to get parked!

[Mr Chappers]

At the moment, it’s the usual lack of clarity, masks at a theatre, but not at a concert, and the sport rules to date are totally confusing and illogical. 

[TBW]

Can't imagine the stewards checking 16,000+ people. Will end up spot-checking I should imagine.

[phantom]

Just now, Mr Chappers said:

At the moment, it’s the usual lack of clarity, masks at a theatre, but not at a concert, and the sport rules to date are totally confusing and illogical. 

Unseated indoor venues over 500

Unseated outdoor venues over 4000

Any capacity over 10,000

All following same guidelines 

[Lanterne Rouge]

Just now, phantom said:

Unseated indoor venues over 500

Unseated outdoor venues over 4000

Any capacity over 10,000

All following same guidelines 

5k isn`t it?

[Betty Swallocks]

1 minute ago, TBW said:

Can't imagine the stewards checking 16,000+ people. Will end up spot-checking I should imagine.

That’s what they’ve been doing up in Scotland. No way would stewards have time to check every person individually. 

[phantom]

Just now, TBW said:

Can't imagine the stewards checking 16,000+ people. Will end up spot-checking I should imagine.

It will be checks off app or paper copy I would imagine

Wouldn't be surprised to see timed entries brought back in

Let's be honest actual people in the stadium have been nowhere near 16k for a long time 

[Mr Popodopolous]

26 minutes ago, TomF said:

A negative LFT is all you need. So basically you can order a pack, scan the  QR code and say it’s negative.. 

Missed the bulk of the press conference, this confirmed is it? The negative LFT bit.

If vaccine or bust I'm not a fan, but negative LFT or Vaccine Passport, seems fairer.

Edited December 8, 2021 by Mr Popodopolous

[phantom]

3 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

5k isn`t it?

 

[phantom]

1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Missed the bulk of the press conference, this confirmed is it? The negative LFT bit.

Think it's an overreaction anyway, last I read zero deaths from the deadly Omicron.

I agree, personally it's the speed it's spreading that is the concern just incase it does cause fatalities further down the line 

[Lanterne Rouge]

Just now, phantom said:

 

Ah. BBC reporting 5k

[Bar BS3]

BRISTOL ROVERS FC STATEMENT:

We are delighted that the new "Plan B" restrictions won't apply to us, because we have no hope in hell of attracting 10,000 to The Swap. 

We'd like to wish everyone a very Merry Christmas & welcome you all to "Santa's Grotto" - please note that a tetanus jab is advised if visiting & BRFC accept no liability for any other diseases contracted whilst on the premesis, HOWEVER; don't panic if you have lost the  sense of taste. 

This will have been evident long before Covid & is symptomatic in all Bristol Rovers fans. 

END.

 

Edited December 8, 2021 by Bar BS3

[RedM]

3 minutes ago, phantom said:

It will be checks off app or paper copy I would imagine

Wouldn't be surprised to see timed entries brought back in

Let's be honest actual people in the stadium have been nowhere near 16k for a long time 

I went to Cardiff recently, to a theatre (to see comedian Joel Dommett) and we had to show the vaccine passports on our phones, paper copies were not acceptable. The door person had to look at our phone and wait until she saw movement on the screen, the bar on the app sort of faded in waves. It was pretty hard to see to be fair. This was to prove we hadn’t took a screen shot from somewhere. I can see this getting messy.

[Bristol Rob]

So we have a wee bit of time before our next home game, and the Bears have had their game cancelled this weekend (because or Covid), so it isn't as if there is a Bears game as a test event we can learn from.

With security checks because of the increased terror threat and now vaccine passports, I'm hoping that the club are able to issue clear guidance as to how they'll manage this as efficiently as possible.

Will stewards have their vaccine status checked?

Will the look at staggering arrival times by stands so they can get as many people in the stadium as quickly as possible?

What will the guidance be for using the concourse?

And will the club suggest to the powers that be, that these new guidelines might be an appropriate moment to relax the 'drinking within sight of the pitch' rule. They could close the bars during the game, but it would keep people outside.

[phantom]

2 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

So we have a wee bit of time before our next home game, and the Bears have had their game cancelled this weekend (because or Covid), so it isn't as if there is a Bears game as a test event we can learn from.

With security checks because of the increased terror threat and now vaccine passports, I'm hoping that the club are able to issue clear guidance as to how they'll manage this as efficiently as possible.

Will stewards have their vaccine status checked?

Will the look at staggering arrival times by stands so they can get as many people in the stadium as quickly as possible?

What will the guidance be for using the concourse?

And will the club suggest to the powers that be, that these new guidelines might be an appropriate moment to relax the 'drinking within sight of the pitch' rule. They could close the bars during the game, but it would keep people outside.

I'm sure all will be revealed in time, I expect the club had no prior knowledge of the breakdown before 6pm this evening either 

[Baldyman]

Just downloaded the NHS app . It takes five days for your vaccination record to pull through it seems ! Probably add a few more days to that with 10 million sports fans all downloading it !! 

[Rebounder]

15 minutes ago, phantom said:

Unseated indoor venues over 500

Unseated outdoor venues over 4000

Any capacity over 10,000

All following same guidelines 

I know they had to give some guidance, but some venues that have a capacity of 300 can feel completely overcrowded so it doesn't really work by limiting it in that way. If I've understood it. 

[exAtyeoMax]

4 minutes ago, RedM said:

I went to Cardiff recently, to a theatre (to see comedian Joel Dommett) and we had to show the vaccine passports on our phones, paper copies were not acceptable. The door person had to look at our phone and wait until she saw movement on the screen, the bar on the app sort of faded in waves. It was pretty hard to see to be fair. This was to prove we hadn’t took a screen shot from somewhere. I can see this getting messy.

I had the same when I went to Ally Pally in October, there wasn't more than a couple of thousand people there though. They just had loads of barriers up, and a queuing system.

[phantom]

1 minute ago, Baldyman said:

Just downloaded the NHS app . It takes five days for your vaccination record to pull through it seems ! Probably add a few more days to that with 10 million sports fans all downloading it !! 

Mine have always appeared the following day for all three of mine 

Just now, Rebounder said:

I know they had to give some guidance, but some venues that have a capacity of 300 can feel completely overcrowded so it doesn't really work by limiting it in that way. If I've understood it. 

I guess it is down to the ratio in a venue? 

Agree we could be in a room of 10 people and catch it but be in a club of 350 and be fine 

[exAtyeoMax]

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/boris-johnsons-plan-b-announcement-6321224

[Ska Junkie]

4 minutes ago, Baldyman said:

Just downloaded the NHS app . It takes five days for your vaccination record to pull through it seems ! Probably add a few more days to that with 10 million sports fans all downloading it !! 

I'm stuffed anyway as my Covid passport was withdrawn for 28 days (?) after a positive PCR.

[Bristol Rob]

Will the security checks and now passports put any of you off going?

I would guess that POTD will be hit.

[phantom]

Just now, Ska Junkie said:

I'm stuffed anyway as my Covid passport was withdrawn for 28 days (?) after a positive PCR.

Out of interest how does this apply when you can't retest for 90 days? 

[Ska Junkie]

2 minutes ago, phantom said:

Out of interest how does this apply when you can't retest for 90 days? 

I've no idea Phantom. I can only assume it will be reinstated after 28 days. I'll let you know after next Tuesday.

Edited December 8, 2021 by Ska Junkie

[Baldyman]

12 minutes ago, phantom said:

 

Can only assume that venues WITH A CAPACITY OF 10k would be the measure as you can’t predict whether 9,999 or 10,001 will turn up unless pay on the day is scrapped throughout football !  On that basis I guess clubs like Wrexham , Notts County and Grimsby in the National league will require passports whereas many League 1 clubs and maybe even Luton in the championship may not ! 

[alexukhc]

3 minutes ago, phantom said:

 

 

Please keep political discussions for here 

 

It’s not even about politics anymore…

sorry they take the piss outta us what are we even meant to do..

Here’s a question, so if fans can’t come in without the vaccine passport, what about players playing without the vaccine passport?

[Ska Junkie]

2 minutes ago, alexukhc said:

It’s not even about politics anymore…

sorry they take the piss outta us what are we even meant to do..

Here’s a question, so if fans can’t come in without the vaccine passport, what about players playing without the vaccine passport?

Good question that! I would hazard a guess at LFT's being the answer for them.

Edited December 8, 2021 by Ska Junkie

[phantom]

4 minutes ago, alexukhc said:

It’s not even about politics anymore…

sorry they take the piss outta us what are we even meant to do..

Here’s a question, so if fans can’t come in without the vaccine passport, what about players playing without the vaccine passport?

Can only assume this falls under the number of people who they would come into contact with, so would not be an issue 

[alexukhc]

3 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said:

Good question that! I would hazard a guess at LFT's being the answer for them.

They prob don’t have an answer for it because they haven’t thought that far ahead

[jjcarrera1974]

I refuse to support the club in person or with my family once vaccine passports are introduced. I have been a season ticket holder on and off for 40 years…. 
I will happily join any protest outside Ashton Gate …

JJ

[lenred]

 

2 minutes ago, jjcarrera1974 said:

I refuse to support the club in person or with my family once vaccine passports are introduced. I have been a season ticket holder on and off for 40 years…. 
I will happily join any protest outside Ashton Gate …

JJ

Why would you protest against the club. It’s a government introduced regulation that the club must abide by. 

Edited December 8, 2021 by lenred

[Ska Junkie]

3 minutes ago, jjcarrera1974 said:

I refuse to support the club in person or with my family once vaccine passports are introduced. I have been a season ticket holder on and off for 40 years…. 
I will happily join any protest outside Ashton Gate …

JJ

What do you suggest as an alternative JJ? It's not the club's decision after all.

Edited December 8, 2021 by Ska Junkie

[Bristol Rob]

2 minutes ago, jjcarrera1974 said:

I refuse to support the club in person or with my family once vaccine passports are introduced. I have been a season ticket holder on and off for 40 years…. 
I will happily join any protest outside Ashton Gate …

JJ

Would you not be better off protesting in a place where your voice and position on the passport can be heard, it isn't the club who have introduced it.

[Barkhamred]

15 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said:

I'm stuffed anyway as my Covid passport was withdrawn for 28 days (?) after a positive PCR.

Pass reappears once you complete the isolation 10:days. Don’t know if this has changed with omicron.

[Ska Junkie]

1 minute ago, Barkhamred said:

Pass reappears once you complete the isolation 10:days. Don’t know if this has changed with omicron.

Thanks BR, I'll try it later, once the panic stops and we can actually get on the app! 

[Barkhamred]

17 minutes ago, phantom said:

Out of interest how does this apply when you can't retest for 90 days? 

I haven’t seen anything mentioned about this instruction not to test for 90 days in any rules (including travel), but T & T were very keen to get this message over.

[Super]

5 minutes ago, jjcarrera1974 said:

I refuse to support the club in person or with my family once vaccine passports are introduced. I have been a season ticket holder on and off for 40 years…. 
I will happily join any protest outside Ashton Gate …

JJ

Get a grip. There won't be any protest.

[Laner]

12 minutes ago, alexukhc said:

It’s not even about politics anymore…

sorry they take the piss outta us what are we even meant to do..

Here’s a question, so if fans can’t come in without the vaccine passport, what about players playing without the vaccine passport?

It's the players place of work, so technically not a 'venue' for them.

[RedM]

22 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said:

I'm stuffed anyway as my Covid passport was withdrawn for 28 days (?) after a positive PCR.

I can't get the NHS app to work like it was, can't see my passport, think so many people trying to look or they have updated it. I can see this below, if this helps

 

Natural immunity

If you've previously tested positive for COVID-19 using a PCR test, and it's been at least 10 days since your positive result, you are eligible for an NHS COVID Pass for up to 180 days from the test date.

[Harry]

I’m against vaccine passports. 
I won’t be attending. 
Will take my custom to Forest Green or Cheltenham instead whilst this idiocy reigns.