Port Said Red Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 His leg only looks in an "unnatural position" because he is changing direction. He hasn't left it hanging like a Ronaldo type of challenge. A penalty. The other challenge on him on the other side of the box was a great tackle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southport Red Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: His leg only looks in an "unnatural position" because he is changing direction. He hasn't left it hanging like a Ronaldo type of challenge. A penalty. The other challenge on him on the other side of the box was a great tackle. Yeah, I agree, had a great view of the other one, deffo no penalty. The tackle on Pring was a fk all day long, the guy did play the ball but it was a tackle from behind. Had a great view of both incidents. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Slippin cider said: For me, the ref wasn’t in a good enough position to not give it and with no VAR it’s a pen . Whether he was in a good position or not is debateable. But if you’re saying he wasn’t in a good enough position to see it properly, then he’s not going to give it, is he? He should only give it if he’s certain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 53 minutes ago, grifty said: Not a stonewaller, but it's a pen for me. I was surprised Pearson said about Pring at the end being fouled, that looked a good tackle to me. Looked 100% a foul from the PNE fan footage posted on here yesterday and Twitter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, 1960maaan said: Their version had Semenyo sticking his leg out to get a Pen. A player who is on fire and getting his first run of goals. A player, by their words, who has been involved in 9 goals in last 8 appearances. A player that has the legs of the defender and running non Goal. Personally I don't think so. TBF I get why they are trying to say that, Semenyo's foot hits the back of the guy's leg, but it's because he's running across AS's line, IMO any way. Here you go. For me, he try to do exactly what Dean Ashton says he would do, the defender trips him. Semenyo doesn't reach his leg out to get tripped , he goes for the ball. You just know, our next Pen, due about 2025, will be a soft one after having 3 actual assaults turned down. Anyway, screen shot below. For me shows he is just running towards the ball. The other I thought was a Pen, on HNM, I guess we will have to wait to see if they publish the full 90 to see it. Have to say that pretty much confirms the view I had of it at the time yesterday. Probably not a pen. But how it’s a foul by Semenyo is beyond me. No way it was a dive, and I don’t think he was ‘looking for it’ either - he was just trying to make it difficult for the defender to track his run - what any decent forward would do. Edited January 30, 2022 by italian dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furious Custard Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 Looking back at it I agree with the ref. Semenyo sticks his leg out into the defending player looking to create a decision for the ref to make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 This is why Var is flawed, so many different opinions/perspectives of the same footage. No one is necessarily right or wrong either. I think it’s a pen, clever play from Semenyo exactly what he should be doing there, drive across the defender and he either has to let you go or foul you. That said, in slow mo I don’t think he’s quite got ahead or across the defender in time to “perfect” it there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offside Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 These probably get given a lot but I don’t think it’s a pen. Their legs get tangled as they’re trying to get in front of each other. Although the defender seems to look up at the ref nervously as soon has he’s on the floor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonks55 Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 As a defender (many moons ago), often the attacker would cut across your path so, as was pointed out by a number of people, the defender has a choice to pull out or clatter into the BACK of the defender. Thankfully I had a turn of foot in those days (we are talking during the last century here!!) and more often than not I could remain in front of the attacker. I would have been more than a little miffed if a penalty had been given in these circumstances. The key word here is 'BACK' and Semenyo's foot clearly hits the BACK of the defenders leg, before he tumbles. Therefore the defender was (marginally) in front and entitled to follow his path - no penalty. Ironically, Semenyo clearly has the legs of the defender and the same manoeuvre but one step later and he will have got past the defender or got the penalty shout! Mind you its about time a referee got one wrong in our favour and awarded a penalty!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 It's not a foul for me. And the more I see it the more I can see why the ref gave the foul against as their lad has got in a good position and then Semenyo has caught his leg. I thought ref had pretty good game yesterday too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 4 hours ago, JoeAman08 said: Semenyo is past him. The defender bungling into him is unlucky but it is clumsy. He also doesn’t try to play the ball. He just runs into him. It is a pen and one you’d expected given 90% of the time. It is given even more a division higher. If you are interested in referees views the incident is discussed on the referees site refs chat. The full house is so far is no foul. PNE -BCFC | RefChat - The Refereeing Forum 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southport Red Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, Cowshed said: If you are interested in referees views the incident is discussed on the referees site refs chat. The full house is so far is no foul. PNE -BCFC | RefChat - The Refereeing Forum Confirmation bias though isn’t it? All we see is a Penalty, all PNE fans see is no penalty, all referees see is “Ref got it right”. Fact is, you see those given in the EPL every week. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Southport Red said: Confirmation bias though isn’t it? Its qualified referees interpreting a decision using rules that omit bias. 48 minutes ago, Southport Red said: All we see is a Penlaty Several posters above your post have differing views. I see a foul on the PNE player. Edited January 30, 2022 by Cowshed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 36 minutes ago, Cowshed said: If you are interested in referees views the incident is discussed on the referees site refs chat. The full house is so far is no foul. PNE -BCFC | RefChat - The Refereeing Forum Thanks for posting: interesting. Funny how even a bunch of refs can’t completely agree. And one has to rely on the freeze frame slow motion reverse angle before reaching a conclusion - hopefully s/he’s a bit more spontaneous when reffing a game! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 72nd minute in today's Egypt v Morocco game; identical challenge, but outside the box and the attacking team was awarded a free kick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Chappers Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 The ref didn’t blow his whistle and point at the spot, so it wasn’t a pen. Wasn’t sure at the time and still not, but I’d rather have the odd potential mistake than VAR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red84 Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 It's clearly not a penalty from the different angle on the Quest highlights. Semenyo clearly kicks the defender. Ref got it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Cyril Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 There is a reason that (fact incoming) since 2018/19, of all the 31 leagues in Europe, Bristol City have been awarded less penalties than any other club. I just need to work out what that reason is. I do know it hacks me right off though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 I shouted 'penalty' when I saw it on Quest but it certainly wasn't a nailed on one. That refs forum is interesting too, not one thinks it was although not checked for an hour or 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 7 minutes ago, Mad Cyril said: There is a reason that (fact incoming) since 2018/19, of all the 31 leagues in Europe, Bristol City have been awarded less penalties than any other club. I just need to work out what that reason is. I do know it hacks me right off though... We didn't create much for a lot of 2019/20, 2020/21 and parts of 2018/19 and the present- that's one aspect although with slight recency bias it gets worse. 1st November 2020 to 31st January 2022, in the League one that's one penalty only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted January 30, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 I've seen the posts on here, and that "Refs" forum thing, and I have a question. The defender is crossing Semenyo's line, he puts his leg in front of AS as he runs. Exactly as you would if you were trying to trip someone. AS is not waving his leg out like Vardy has done to force contact. It looks like he kicks the blokes leg because the defender has crossed his line. Obviously it isn't nailed on, as there seems to be differing thoughts, but Pen all day for me. Maybe one day. 50p on us missing it when it comes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 On 30/01/2022 at 10:21, IAmNick said: Check out the clip I posted yesterday: https://streamja.com/29M0k First angle for me he's mid dive when he gets clipped, or at least a pretty unnatural leg movement Penalty All day ...............IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 14 hours ago, 1960maaan said: I've seen the posts on here, and that "Refs" forum thing, and I have a question. The defender is crossing Semenyo's line, he puts his leg in front of AS as he runs. Exactly as you would if you were trying to trip someone. AS is not waving his leg out like Vardy has done to force contact. It looks like he kicks the blokes leg because the defender has crossed his line. Obviously it isn't nailed on, as there seems to be differing thoughts, but Pen all day for me. Maybe one day. 50p on us missing it when it comes. What was your question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted January 31, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, Cowshed said: What was your question? May have got misplaced in my waffling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hertsexile Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 If that happens in city’s box penalty. Samenyo doesn’t take a drive there is contact so a pen. GBH on Scott against QPR a stonewall pen yet once again not given. The general standard of officials in the EFL is not that good so what do we expect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 If the attacker initiates the contact - ie sticks his leg out to make the defender run into it, as AS did - then that shouldn’t be a foul, for me. It’s basically the same as diving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 Another one that bugs me is when an attacker pushes a ball past a defender then runs into him. It’s nearly always given as a body check, when in reality the defender doesn’t make any movement. The defenders usually booed and booked too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOTBLUE Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 I didn’t realise that you had to run in a straight line whilst playing football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Leveller said: If the attacker initiates the contact - ie sticks his leg out to make the defender run into it, as AS did - then that shouldn’t be a foul, for me. It’s basically the same as diving. I don’t think he did stick his leg out, he had changed the direction of his run to cut across towards goal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I don’t think he did stick his leg out, he had changed the direction of his run to cut across towards goal. That's obviously the point that's near impossible to be certain about, and why the Ref's job is so hard. To me, he extended his leg out wider than he would have simply to change direction. https://streamja.com/29M0k Edited January 31, 2022 by Leveller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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