Will Rollason Posted February 26, 2022 Report Share Posted February 26, 2022 Watched Frank bemoaning it so I had a look.... Dear oh dear.. Even with VAR they couldn't get it right. I mean it's not even borderline, it's handball, ref said he didn't see it . Fair enough but the VAR guys did and they said no penalty you don't need to have a look. .. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenkibby. Posted February 26, 2022 Report Share Posted February 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, Will Rollason said: Watched Frank bemoaning it so I had a look.... Dear oh dear.. Even with VAR they couldn't get it right. I mean it's not even borderline, it's handball, ref said he didn't see it . Fair enough but the VAR guys did and they said no penalty you don't need to have a look. .. Yeah but he only controlled it with one arm. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red colin Posted February 26, 2022 Report Share Posted February 26, 2022 1 hour ago, stephenkibby. said: Yeah but he only controlled it with one arm. Well big issues ,If we can't get that agreed as a 100 percent penalty the only thing I can reasonably come up with is putin.....that's a penalty and and I hate Chelsea 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isawjonshaw Posted February 26, 2022 Report Share Posted February 26, 2022 The majority of the officiating at the Euros was really good imho. How has it gone so downhill this season? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC1512 Posted February 26, 2022 Report Share Posted February 26, 2022 Big clubs get the decisions FACT 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC1512 Posted February 26, 2022 Report Share Posted February 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Isawjonshaw said: The majority of the officiating at the Euros was really good imho. How has it gone so downhill this season? The euros had nothing to do with the FA. UEFA do I right we don’t 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted February 26, 2022 Report Share Posted February 26, 2022 What is the handball rule these days? Darned if I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted February 26, 2022 Report Share Posted February 26, 2022 14 minutes ago, Isawjonshaw said: The majority of the officiating at the Euros was really good imho. How has it gone so downhill this season? What’s that got to do with the Premier League? Some sources said there was an offside in the build up before, though premier league official response was they couldn’t be certain it was handball. don’t forget Handball is anything below the sleeve now Left pic looks like no handball to me, by that rule. Right looks handball but no way from that angle you can tell where it’s touching. If not a clear and obvious error then no over rule? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 26 minutes ago, Taunton_BCFC said: The euros had nothing to do with the FA. UEFA do I right we don’t AHH that's an interesting point . Why after the success of var and refs at the euros does the FA not follow UEFA lead ?. Who shall we shoot first ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 6 hours ago, MarcusX said: What’s that got to do with the Premier League? Some sources said there was an offside in the build up before, though premier league official response was they couldn’t be certain it was handball. don’t forget Handball is anything below the sleeve now Left pic looks like no handball to me, by that rule. Right looks handball but no way from that angle you can tell where it’s touching. If not a clear and obvious error then no over rule? Agreed, it wasn't a clear and obvious error so should not have been overturned, the match of the day team were totally in the wrong in the way they castigated the officials and it showed they didn't know the rule. My problem with VAR is that the "clear and obvious" part of it's existence is so rarely applied. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City oz Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: Agreed, it wasn't a clear and obvious error so should not have been overturned, the match of the day team were totally in the wrong in the way they castigated the officials and it showed they didn't know the rule. My problem with VAR is that the "clear and obvious" part of it's existence is so rarely applied. From the posts and down loaded evidence this is not a deliberate hand ball to me any way. I agree with Port. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippin cider Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 I’ve watched it a few times and for me it’s hand ball and pen . He tends to lean into it thus controlling the direction of the ball . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 7 minutes ago, Slippin cider said: I’ve watched it a few times and for me it’s hand ball and pen . He tends to lean into it thus controlling the direction of the ball . But are you sure it's below the sleeve as per the rule? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippin cider Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: But are you sure it's below the sleeve as per the rule? Below the sleeve?…no just above I think. Certainly bicep area….Below seems quite a way down the arm but if that’s what the rule says then it was the correct decision. Edited February 27, 2022 by Slippin cider 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waconda Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 9 hours ago, Taunton_BCFC said: Big clubs get the decisions FACT Unconscious bias or even sometimes blatant cheating. They have had this issue in American sports with replays for years. "Big" clubs, bigger advertising revenue, TV coverage and influence etc. Goal line tech is fine but this rest is joy killing, just accept the odd wrong decision by the officials and enjoy the game in real time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waconda Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Port Said Red said: Agreed, it wasn't a clear and obvious error so should not have been overturned, the match of the day team were totally in the wrong in the way they castigated the officials and it showed they didn't know the rule. My problem with VAR is that the "clear and obvious" part of it's existence is so rarely applied. If you need video that is slowed down numerous times and zoomed in on then by definition it is not "clear and obvious". That is "forensic". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 1 minute ago, VT05763 said: If you need video that is slowed down numerous times and zoomed in on then by definition it is not "clear and obvious". That is "forensic". As I said at the end of my post, it's not being applied correctly in my opinion. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 Handball all day long for me. Watching the game he raised his arm into an unnatural position, towards the ball and leant into it. Some of the ball is below the sleeve line. His reaction afterwards was telling, he knew he had hand balled it. Var took ages (again) to come out on the side of the bigger club. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Rollason Posted February 27, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 The amount of penalties given where the defender isn't even LOOKING at the ball ..... But not this .. ref said to VAR" I didn't see it" and they come back with" no clear error"?? Guy called Kavannagh I believe on the VAR? he needs some time off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 5 seconds and the VAR Ref should call the on field Ref over to look. In real time it is almost impossible to tell where the imaginary VAR line on the arm, actually is. In fact, I'd dispute the Ref can see the contact. That means it's not even overturning a decision, but letting the Ref see it from a better angle . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Controller Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 VAR is a failed experiment 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 Just seen Flint`s one v Fulham that wasn`t given. Nailed on IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 Joke of a decision. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse With No Name Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 3 hours ago, Port Said Red said: But are you sure it's below the sleeve as per the rule? Just wear long sleeve shirts, by the letter of the law hardly any handball penalties. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 1 hour ago, VT05763 said: Unconscious bias or even sometimes blatant cheating. They have had this issue in American sports with replays for years. "Big" clubs, bigger advertising revenue, TV coverage and influence etc. Goal line tech is fine but this rest is joy killing, just accept the odd wrong decision by the officials and enjoy the game in real time. Yep, GLT is definite, no subjectivity….and the technology is proven. Even the Villa / Sheff Utd goal proved the ball was over the line, just that the SMS wasn’t received to the refs watch in a timely manner. The rest, well the rules aren’t able to be determined in a black and white fashion, so it can’t possibly work…work well. 1 hour ago, VT05763 said: If you need video that is slowed down numerous times and zoomed in on then by definition it is not "clear and obvious". That is "forensic". Yep, there should be no Stockley Park, just a ref able to check if he’s missed something. Gets a standard set of camera views, real-time, and then makes his decision. That’s as far as it should go, notwithstanding I don’t think it should be used anyway. 53 minutes ago, sinenomine said: VAR is a failed experiment Yep, it needs to be removed if they can’t do better than what they have already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, Merrick's Marvels said: What is the handball rule these days? Darned if I know. Handball x EPL x VAR. Using Var there is an assessment of does the ball hit a red area = offence or green = non offence. According to guidance a players arm does not start at his shoulder. The red area starts above the elbow and so does the green. The pictures on this thread show a ball striking the green/red area = Its not conclusively a penalty = No clear and obvious error = Its not a penalty. Edited February 27, 2022 by Cowshed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 If this isn’t handball, then the current rule needs changing … again. The point of the rule is to stop a player controlling the ball deliberately with their hand or arm. You can’t really do that with your shoulder, but you can with your upper arm, as he clearly did in this instance. He definitely controlled it and I’m 90% sure it was deliberate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 31 minutes ago, Cowshed said: Handball x EPL x VAR. Using Var there is an assessment of does the ball hit a red area = offence or green = non offence. According to guidance a players arm does not start at his shoulder. The red area starts above the elbow and so does the green. The pictures on this thread show a ball striking the green/red area = Its not conclusively a penalty = No clear and obvious error = Its not a penalty. Not sure whether your description is poorly worded / poorly interpreted, but you seem to imply there is an overlapping red and green area. There’s not as far as the stuff I’ve read this morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBW Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 Handball. Stop with the stupid, "did he mean it", intent argument. Or ball-to-arm not arm-to-ball. If it's obvious and not an unavoidable plus it has given the player an advantage, it's a penalty. That said, I really hate Liverpool so happy for Man City to take the points. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted February 27, 2022 Report Share Posted February 27, 2022 1 hour ago, The Horse With No Name said: Just wear long sleeve shirts, by the letter of the law hardly any handball penalties. I don’t think it’s literally the sleeve, just that portion of the arm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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