A great BBC article about the birth of stat analysis

[Norn Iron]

An amazing insight into the birth of using stats for tactics.

 

BBC News - VHS tapes sent to the South Pacific - how football's data boom began
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61084931

[BS4 on Tour...]

.... and it’s subsequently evolved all the way to @Davefevs‘ spreadsheets - a veritable journey

[Norn Iron]

1 hour ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

.... and it’s subsequently evolved all the way to @Davefevs‘ spreadsheets - a veritable journey

I wanted to say something like that BS4 but wouldn't have used the excellent word veritable. Respect!

[Norn Iron]

1 minute ago, Norn Iron said:

I wanted to say something like that BS4 but wouldn't have used the excellent word veritable. Respect!

I'm more analogue though so would prefer Dave using flipcharts!

[Davefevs]

I blame Florence Nightingale!!!

Why her?

She was one of the earlier pioneers of using data and presenting in graphical format.

She knew that people wouldn’t read 100s of pages of data, so summarised in the charts like the one above.

https://thisisstatistics.org/florence-nightingale-the-lady-with-the-data/

 

[Red-Robbo]

16 minutes ago, Norn Iron said:

I'm more analogue though so would prefer Dave using flipcharts!

 

Still too complicated for me. 

Our manager used to bring a Subbuteo set to training and use it to illustrates our various errors from the previous game!  

[Davefevs]

Just now, Red-Robbo said:

 

Still too complicated for me. 

Our manager used to bring a Subbuteo set to training and use it to illustrates our various errors from the previous game!  

Did you play matches with a ball bigger than you?

[Norn Iron]

17 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I blame Florence Nightingale!!!

Why her?

She was one of the earlier pioneers of using data and presenting in graphical format.

She knew that people wouldn’t read 100s of pages of data, so summarised in the charts like the one above.

https://thisisstatistics.org/florence-nightingale-the-lady-with-the-data/

 

And could have been the pioneer of the National Hub Statistics. 

 

[chinapig]

51 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I blame Florence Nightingale!!!

Why her?

She was one of the earlier pioneers of using data and presenting in graphical format.

She knew that people wouldn’t read 100s of pages of data, so summarised in the charts like the one above.

https://thisisstatistics.org/florence-nightingale-the-lady-with-the-data/

 

Yes, she was a hero in more ways than people realise.

I'd add Dr John Snow whose use of dot maps and statistics traced the 1854 cholera outbreak in Soho to a single water pump and effectively gave birth to epidemiology.

Of course both he and Nightingale got a lot of resistance to their use of statistics. Some things never change.

[Davefevs]

13 minutes ago, chinapig said:

Yes, she was a hero in more ways than people realise.

I'd add Dr John Snow whose use of dot maps and statistics traced the 1854 cholera outbreak in Soho to a single water pump and effectively gave birth to epidemiology.

Of course both he and Nightingale got a lot of resistance to their use of statistics. Some things never change.

I think people feel threatened by it.  But with all data / statistics stuff, you’ve got to understand how it’s created, it’s context etc, and present it in the right way.  In some cases it shows up people’s bias, and they don’t like it.  But football is a fluid game and you’ll never be able to be as statistical as say baseball where the same “event” is repeated, e.g. a pitch.

[Norn Iron]

1 hour ago, chinapig said:

Yes, she was a hero in more ways than people realise.

I'd add Dr John Snow whose use of dot maps and statistics traced the 1854 cholera outbreak in Soho to a single water pump and effectively gave birth to epidemiology.

Of course both he and Nightingale got a lot of resistance to their use of statistics. Some things never change.

Am I right that beer had an important part to play in the discovery?

[SBB]

57 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I think people feel threatened by it.  But with all data / statistics stuff, you’ve got to understand how it’s created, it’s context etc, and present it in the right way.  In some cases it shows up people’s bias, and they don’t like it.  But football is a fluid game and you’ll never be able to be as statistical as say baseball where the same “event” is repeated, e.g. a pitch.

Everyone loves a stat…. Until it makes you look like a tit. Then they’re called spreadsheets and are suddenly irrelevant. 

[BS4 on Tour...]

1 hour ago, Norn Iron said:

Am I right that beer had an important part to play in the discovery?

Beer had an important part to play in me discovering I can’t dance ...

[chinapig]

1 hour ago, Norn Iron said:

Am I right that beer had an important part to play in the discovery?

Yes, he found that very few employees of the local brewery contracted cholera as they were allowed to drink as much of the (weak!) beer they brewed as they liked. If they drank water it was from the brewery's own pump not the one that was the source of infection. Brilliant detective work.