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Mr Popodopolous

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1 hour ago, TMWANG50 said:

Reading also resigning Baba Rahman on loan from Chelsea....

I've covered that one elsewhere.

Dai Yongge-Kia Joorabchian-Marina Granovskaia

Basically the Reading owner is friends with the same superagent who is also friends with or has business ties with a long time albeit outgoing Chelsea key exec especially in relation to transfers.

Hence massively favourable loan deals pop up every now and then.

Drinkwater went there on loan last year. His Chelsea wage was a reported £120k per week.

The charge for Reading? According to Kieran Maguire, it was a big fat zero. ?

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2 hours ago, davidoldfart said:

With large debts and a takeover up in the air ,and they sign  7 loans (Man U x2 ,West Ham,Wolves,Norwich,Derby ) plus 2 permanent deals.And now trying for 7 deals before deadline !!! 
Something smells.

Stoke are a bigger bugbear for me in some ways.

Birmingham wise, It is because their FFP position to this season might not exceed FFP, the combined average of 2019-20 and 2020-21 was basically zero in FFP terms, may be the case they they are literally spending up to their remaining limit in the hope of promotion. When their Birmingham Sports Holdings accounts are out at the end of September we'll get a clearer picture.

Had a quick Google of the 7 deals, some are hoped for outgoings- Dean, Leko and Cosgrove.

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1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

I've covered that one elsewhere.

Dai Yongge-Kia Joobrachian-Marina Granovskaia

Basically the Reading owner is friends with the same superagent who is also friends wirh a long time Chelsea key exec especially in relation to transfers.

Hence massively favourable loan deals pop up every now and then.

Granovskaia has gone now, hasn’t she? One of Abramovich/Putin’s mates?

Corrupt though.

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54 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Granovskaia has gone now, hasn’t she? One of Abramovich/Putin’s mates?

Corrupt though.

I read something about her remaining in situ until end of window although that maybe wrong, perhaps Rahman to Reading for 10% of wages or whatever is the last big example. 

One more thing, favoured loans, nepotism, favours- it's rife. Much lower scale but in 2010 Ferguson senior loaned a string of young players or a few anyway to Preston when his son was in charge.

Ferguson Jr is sacked, Ferguson senior swiftly recalls all the loanees, cancels the loans.

Just googled them! De Laet, James and Josh King! Not bad at all...

Let alone involvement with people like Mendes, Joorabchian etc.

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Quite a number of their deals didn’t happen in the end, they didn’t sign Maja (he Tweeted it was “news to him” during the day), Chong did join permanently from Man U, plus a young full back on loan from West Ham & that was it.

It does mean that they have 6 on loan so one can’t be in the squad.

Probably said this for a few years but they look likely strugglers to me.

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40 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Quite a number of their deals didn’t happen in the end, they didn’t sign Maja (he Tweeted it was “news to him” during the day), Chong did join permanently from Man U, plus a young full back on loan from West Ham & that was it.

It does mean that they have 6 on loan so one can’t be in the squad.

Probably said this for a few years but they look likely strugglers to me.

6 into 5 goes if Bielik is constantly injured! (He did play for the 21s against us in the week)

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One small answer @davidoldfart

Reportedly from a blogger who frankly puts some journos to shame (Al Majir) he's reported that the fee for Chong basically isn't due until next season.

It could just be a cash flow and instalment thing but in theory taken to one conclusion, it might mean no cost of amortisation hits the balance sheet, profit and loss for him until 2023-24.

Again who knew PL clubs were so generous.

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I really don't care how many loan players teams have from PL sides or otherwise. While undoubtedly some have proven a big hit many others have failed miserably. There is simply no guarantee of success. Let's be honest Drinkwater didn't pull up any trees at Reading last year and many of the youngsters are playing in PL development sides that are getting soundly beaten by L1 & 2 sides in the JPT. As for getting them cheap I don't begrudge them that. I'd like to think if we were in that market we'd be seeking the best deal we could get too. 

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27 minutes ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said:

I really don't care how many loan players teams have from PL sides or otherwise. While undoubtedly some have proven a big hit many others have failed miserably. There is simply no guarantee of success. Let's be honest Drinkwater didn't pull up any trees at Reading last year and many of the youngsters are playing in PL development sides that are getting soundly beaten by L1 & 2 sides in the JPT. As for getting them cheap I don't begrudge them that. I'd like to think if we were in that market we'd be seeking the best deal we could get too. 

This is also fair, although Chong is or has been a good player and the Reading tieup they seemed to have with Chelsea annoys me somewhat.

He didn't no, Hendrick however would I assume he a good addition there. Reading aside, I get the impression we don't get these to favours but of course it is incumbent in both parties in a negotiation to drive the hardest bargain possible.

The question I have is, are some clubs getting significantly more preferable terms or privileged access thhan others? Reading with Chelsea have been strong candidates for this.

Put it another way, when they are under an £8.5k per week cap on new additions, no loan fee either as in 2021-22, they should not have at minimum 90 pct of the wages subsidised by Chelsea for an ex PL winning midfielder who isn't that old and an granted not Chelsea level, Ghana international LB.

Due to the wage cap regs for failing FFP, the max they could have shelled out was £17k per week for the pair. Their combined weekly wage was 10 x that. Indeed Kieran Maguire said Drinkwater's entire wage was paid by Chelsea, no idea on Rahman.

That can't be right- they should have had to source players within those conditions who truly would reflect £8.5k per week per player, no transfer or loan fee...that is a huge favour and subsidy. A distortion.

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1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

One small answer @davidoldfart

Reportedly from a blogger who frankly puts some journos to shame (Al Majir) he's reported that the fee for Chong basically isn't due until next season.

It could just be a cash flow and instalment thing but in theory taken to one conclusion, it might mean no cost of amortisation hits the balance sheet, profit and loss for him until 2023-24.

Again who knew PL clubs were so generous.

If they’ve bought him, he’s their asset and starts amortising immediately, payment schedule is irrelevant.

The only way there is no amortisation is if it’s a loan with a conditional obligation. 

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Just now, Davefevs said:

If they’ve bought him, he’s their asset and starts amortising immediately, payment schedule is irrelevant.

The only way there is no amortisation is if it’s a loan with a conditional obligation. 

Agreed. I've not looked at the finer details of the deal tbh, dunno if permanent or what but could be a cash flow thing like Wilson.

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14 minutes ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said:

I understand that people are peeved at what is perceived as preferential treatment of some clubs over others but that's not confined to football, that's life. But do we really expect the loan transfer market to be a level playing field? I'd be amazed if it was. 

I agree, totally not confined to football or sport.

That said, I think there are untested competition implications potentially loan market wise, but who wants to rock the boat? It would make for an interesting test  case. 

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1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

One small answer @davidoldfart

Reportedly from a blogger who frankly puts some journos to shame (Al Majir) he's reported that the fee for Chong basically isn't due until next season.

It could just be a cash flow and instalment thing but in theory taken to one conclusion, it might mean no cost of amortisation hits the balance sheet, profit and loss for him until 2023-24.

Again who knew PL clubs were so generous.

I think KM covered this in yesterdays POF podcast (first question). If clubs pay nothing in year one the amortisation is still counted over the course of the contract, so will count 22/23.

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