ExiledAjax Posted December 9, 2022 Report Share Posted December 9, 2022 Argentina has such a tangled history with Britain, a history that extends far beyond Falklands jingoism and the "Hand of God". The silver land is a grand country in which there remain native Welsh speakers and gentlemen's clubs reminiscent of the RAC. Polo, rugby, and yes their footballing tradition stem from our own. A fascinating history from a fine country. England should never get to enter a team in the world cup, but as the closest approximation to a UK team I'd enjoy an England v Argentina final. Interestingly our potential semi-final opponents Portugal are the other participants in the oldest continuous international alliance - Britain (or it's predecessor nations) and Portugal have been formally allied since the mid-1300's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted December 9, 2022 Report Share Posted December 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said: Our behaviour ? Their behaviour at World Cups , in one form or another Since 66 has been a disgrace time after time , tournament after tournament ..always something ..... ......Cheating , bribery , thuggery Not sure I can remember England’s history the same Ohhh . The miracle win over Hungary you mean ! Comes across bitter i'm afraid. These things happened a long time ago. I'm sorry to break it to you but since 1966 they have been better than we have been and produced two of the top 5 players of all time in that time. They deserved to beat us in 1986 regardless of a handball and 1998 it was very much 50/50. Their 1970s days were shady stuff but the same could be said for a lot of Country's at different periods of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted December 9, 2022 Report Share Posted December 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said: Chile, I think. It was another S. Amaerican country. Peru 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted December 9, 2022 Report Share Posted December 9, 2022 1 minute ago, 2015 said: He's 35 course he isn't going to be beating players for pace and dribbling around 3 or 4 like he did when he was Mbappe's age. His individual stats speak for themself Never asked that did I,you are being dishonest,you said the best player in the world which he isn’t anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted December 9, 2022 Report Share Posted December 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said: The post above explains it,it’s not about war but they have always been cheating scumbags diving left right and centre,guessing you are young and never witnessed it so it didn’t happen Their players play on the edge and with flair which I find entertaining to watch. England have had some great matches with them over the years and they have produced some brilliant players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted December 9, 2022 Report Share Posted December 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said: Never asked that did I,you are being dishonest,you said the best player in the world which he isn’t anymore Well only 1 year ago he won a Ballon d'or so you could argue that he still is. That being said he is still the best player at the World cup in terms of his entire career and overall ability. I can't think of a player in the World right now who would have done the assist Messi did for Argentina's first goal tonight, can you? Currently Mbappe is better on form and it helps that he has legs that are about 13 years younger than Messi's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted December 9, 2022 Report Share Posted December 9, 2022 5 minutes ago, 2015 said: Comes across bitter i'm afraid. These things happened a long time ago. I'm sorry to break it to you but since 1966 they have been better than we have been and produced two of the top 5 players of all time in that time. They deserved to beat us in 1986 regardless of a handball and 1998 it was very much 50/50. Their 1970s days were shady stuff but the same could be said for a lot of Country's at different periods of time. They’ve cheated , and behaved in the worst fashion , and consistently ,of any country in World Football Its really that simple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted December 9, 2022 Report Share Posted December 9, 2022 (edited) 30 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said: Is Messi the best footballer in the world,cmon he was great but is he really better then the French lad right now,hate to break it to you but the argies are worse than Brazil so change your bet to a England v Croatia final Yes he maybe waning a little at 35, but we will see tomorrow when they play England, if Mbappe can create an assist and score a goal, as Messi just did tonight? Over the past 15 year's i find it extraordinary that anyone could even consider challenging the fact that Messi, has consistently been the world's best footballer? As for my bet...........i am sticking with the England v Argentina final thanks. And when Mbappe has won 7 Ballon D'or's, won the Champions League 4 times, scored 50 goals in one season and earned countless other achievements, then i will consider him, up against Messi's record, but he does have youth on his side? The only difference at the present time between Brazil and Argentina, is that one of them is in a World Cup Semi-Final......and the other isn't? Edited December 9, 2022 by maxjak 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddoh Posted December 9, 2022 Report Share Posted December 9, 2022 5 hours ago, B1ackbird said: 1-0 Meadowlark..... giving you a lemon for this post 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted December 9, 2022 Report Share Posted December 9, 2022 4 minutes ago, maxjak said: Yes he maybe waning a little at 35, but we will see tomorrow when they play England, if Mbappe can create an assist and score a goal, as Messi just did tonight? Over the past 15 year's i find it extraordinary that anyone could even consider challenging the fact that Messi, has consistently been the world's best footballer? As for my bet...........i am sticking with the England v Argentina final thanks. And when Mbappe has won 7 Ballon D'or's, won the Champions League 4 times, scored 50 goals in one season and earned countless other achievements, then i will consider him, up against Messi's record, but he does have youth on his side? The difference at the present time between Brazil and Argentina, is that one of them is in a World Cup Semi-Final......and the other isn't? But but but but Messi hasn't played in England and would he do it on a cold Tuesday night in Stoke I am grateful for Argentina for producing Messi and Maradona - two of the greatest of all time and that's pure natural talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted December 9, 2022 Report Share Posted December 9, 2022 23 minutes ago, 2015 said: Well only 1 year ago he won a Ballon d'or so you could argue that he still is. That being said he is still the best player at the World cup in terms of his entire career and overall ability. I can't think of a player in the World right now who would have done the assist Messi did for Argentina's first goal tonight, can you? Currently Mbappe is better on form and it helps that he has legs that are about 13 years younger than Messi's. He won it at PSG while doing absolutely nothing let’s be honest so it shows how bloody useless the Ballon d’or trophy is,as for the assist have you gone completely mad by saying nobody else could do the assist or are you had to many moonshines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted December 9, 2022 Report Share Posted December 9, 2022 16 minutes ago, maxjak said: Yes he maybe waning a little at 35, but we will see tomorrow when they play England, if Mbappe can create an assist and score a goal, as Messi just did tonight? Over the past 15 year's i find it extraordinary that anyone could even consider challenging the fact that Messi, has consistently been the world's best footballer? As for my bet...........i am sticking with the England v Argentina final thanks. And when Mbappe has won 7 Ballon D'or's, won the Champions League 4 times, scored 50 goals in one season and earned countless other achievements, then i will consider him, up against Messi's record, but he does have youth on his side? The only difference at the present time between Brazil and Argentina, is that one of them is in a World Cup Semi-Final......and the other isn't? Yes yes and after we beat the French we will see if Messi can up his game so we can spank them in the final Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted December 9, 2022 Report Share Posted December 9, 2022 7 minutes ago, 2015 said: But but but but Messi hasn't played in England and would he do it on a cold Tuesday night in Stoke I am grateful for Argentina for producing Messi and Maradona - two of the greatest of all time and that's pure natural talent. You laugh but I genuinely think the fact Messi hasn’t proved himself in another country other than Spain is the one big question mark over his career for me. I think the move to PSG to play in a bit of a joke league was a cowardly easy way out for Messi IMO. That’s why i have more admiration for Ronaldo, he still had the fire in his belly to come to England and test himself in the toughest league in the world again. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted December 9, 2022 Report Share Posted December 9, 2022 5 minutes ago, Bris Red said: You laugh but I genuinely think the fact Messi hasn’t proved himself in another country other than Spain is the one big question mark over his career for me. I think the move to PSG to play in a bit of a joke league was a cowardly easy way out for Messi IMO. That’s why i have more admiration for Ronaldo, he still had the fire in his belly to come to England and test himself in the toughest league in the world again. Why would he leave Barcelona for though? He only left because they had to sell him and PSG offered him a contract so he went there, not his fault. I base players on their ability and for me he has shown throughout his career he is the best player certainly in this era. The best dribbler, the best passer, the best assist maker, even the best goal scorer on his average goals per game. Basing a player on the League's they've played in and won you might aswell say Nicolas Anelka is up there with the best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted December 9, 2022 Report Share Posted December 9, 2022 14 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said: He won it at PSG while doing absolutely nothing let’s be honest so it shows how bloody useless the Ballon d’or trophy is,as for the assist have you gone completely mad by saying nobody else could do the assist or are you had to many moonshines It was based on the 2020/2021 season when he ripped it up again for Barcelona and also won the Copa America with Argentina and was the Tournament's best player. Our media dont really cover La Liga and Copa America though so it's easy to miss these things. He was brilliant that season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted December 9, 2022 Report Share Posted December 9, 2022 10 minutes ago, 2015 said: It was based on the 2020/2021 season when he ripped it up again for Barcelona and also won the Copa America with Argentina and was the Tournament's best player. Our media dont really cover La Liga and Copa America though so it's easy to miss these things. He was brilliant that season. Ahh that explains it,when Barca finished 3rd you mean,wouldn’t call that ripping it up but hey ho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted December 10, 2022 Report Share Posted December 10, 2022 I would class 38 goals and 12 assists in 47 matches as ripping it up but if you don't then that's your call Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted December 10, 2022 Report Share Posted December 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, 2015 said: I would class 38 goals and 12 assists in 47 matches as ripping it up but if you don't then that's your call The same season Ronaldo scored 36 goals in 44 games in the Italian league which i think we all agree is a much harder league to score in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted December 10, 2022 Report Share Posted December 10, 2022 23 minutes ago, 2015 said: Why would he leave Barcelona for though? He only left because they had to sell him and PSG offered him a contract so he went there, not his fault. I base players on their ability and for me he has shown throughout his career he is the best player certainly in this era. The best dribbler, the best passer, the best assist maker, even the best goal scorer on his average goals per game. Basing a player on the League's they've played in and won you might aswell say Nicolas Anelka is up there with the best I agree with you. I'm a huge Messi fan and I enjoy him more than Ronaldo. However, it is a fair criticism that he hasn't "done it" in the best league in the world (of late, that is definitely the Premier League) or Serie A. Ronaldo has conquered more leagues and obviously has more honours at international level too. But ask me who I'd pay £50 to see play and it'd be Messi everytime. Been lucky enough to see him score a hatrick at Camp Nou in fact. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted December 10, 2022 Report Share Posted December 10, 2022 Piss poor from the Argies. At least the GOAT Messi is clean. I get that football is an absolute religion in Argentina (far more than it is here, and we gave them football) but this lacks class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted December 10, 2022 Report Share Posted December 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: I agree with you. I'm a huge Messi fan and I enjoy him more than Ronaldo. However, it is a fair criticism that he hasn't "done it" in the best league in the world (of late, that is definitely the Premier League) or Serie A. Ronaldo has conquered more leagues and obviously has more honours at international level too. But ask me who I'd pay £50 to see play and it'd be Messi everytime. Been lucky enough to see him score a hatrick at Camp Nou in fact. I honestly don’t think you can be classed as a great if you haven’t done it in at least 2 of the top 3 leagues,as annoying as Ronaldo is he has in all 3 and the best player ever in Maradona done it in 2(and won a World Cup almost single handed) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted December 10, 2022 Report Share Posted December 10, 2022 1 minute ago, joe jordans teeth said: The same season Ronaldo scored 36 goals in 44 games in the Italian league which i think we all agree is a much harder league to score in Maybe in the 1980s and 1990s but not these days, Serie A is a much more attacking League than it used to be. Still a hell of a goal return for Ronaldo, but Messi did the exact same and won his Country a major tournament that season. Look it's fine if you prefer Ronaldo he's an exceptional player too, but I personally don't for many reasons. I prefer Messi's style of play and I would rather watch him play any day. I think we are blessed to watch him every time he plays personally. His natural talent is something that comes around once in a generation in my opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted December 10, 2022 Report Share Posted December 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Piss poor from the Argies. At least the GOAT Messi is clean. I get that football is an absolute religion in Argentina (far more than it is here, and we gave them football) but this lacks class. They will never change,it’s built into them to be disrespectful 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted December 10, 2022 Report Share Posted December 10, 2022 1 minute ago, 2015 said: Maybe in the 1980s and 1990s but not these days, Serie A is a much more attacking League than it used to be. Still a hell of a goal return for Ronaldo, but Messi did the exact same and won his Country a major tournament that season. Look it's fine if you prefer Ronaldo he's an exceptional player too, but I personally don't for many reasons. I prefer Messi's style of play and I would rather watch him play any day. I think we are blessed to watch him every time he plays personally. His natural talent is something that comes around once in a generation in my opinion. I just hope unlike Ronaldo he knows when to call it a day a thing Ronaldo should have done maybe last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted December 10, 2022 Report Share Posted December 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said: I honestly don’t think you can be classed as a great if you haven’t done it in at least 2 of the top 3 leagues,as annoying as Ronaldo is he has in all 3 and the best player ever in Maradona done it in 2(and won a World Cup almost single handed) I agree, and doubtless Messi has had the opportunity to play in England as the money is here. That said, I don't for a minute think he'd have been anything other than a massive success in the Prem. There is also a case that despite his goals at Juve, Ronaldo actually didn't make them any better and was actually a bit of a burden, as he has been in his second spell at United. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted December 10, 2022 Report Share Posted December 10, 2022 Just now, pillred said: I just hope unlike Ronaldo he knows when to call it a day a thing Ronaldo should have done maybe last season. Isn’t he off to America,that’s why Ronaldo decided to go to Saudi,he knew messi couldn’t beat his records,the small matter of 175 million a year was also a factor by all accounts 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted December 10, 2022 Report Share Posted December 10, 2022 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Piss poor from the Argies. At least the GOAT Messi is clean. I get that football is an absolute religion in Argentina (far more than it is here, and we gave them football) but this lacks class. Not so clean then Edited December 10, 2022 by joe jordans teeth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted December 10, 2022 Report Share Posted December 10, 2022 Well that was some match, but was obviously strongly leaning towards the Dutch. Was a shame, always good when Argentina lose- two of my first WC memories were 1998 Owen fantastic breakout goal, Beckham red and the dreaded penalties!! Then the redemption- for England and for Beckham- in 2002. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted December 10, 2022 Report Share Posted December 10, 2022 9 hours ago, Superjack said: Were the Dutch penalties route one then? All penalties are route one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheddarReds Posted December 10, 2022 Report Share Posted December 10, 2022 For anyone who enjoyed robot wars back in the day... https://twitter.com/JamRo/status/1601361076670824448?t=5-f7Kd9NE1P_VC32iyl_Xw&s=19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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