SecretSam Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 23 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: I'm not over Saturday We were the best team in the tournament by a distance unlike 2018 and 2021, none of the other teams would have been capable of beating us Apart from France Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 ITV coverage is absolute toilet. Twatterfavevand McMoist... Dumb and Dumber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 Messi has stepped up big time today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 The more I watch tonight’s game (half-heartedly) the more I think we need rid of Southgate. We have the players, just not the game plan. I think the England cricketers have sussed it, be brave, bold and go for the jugular and attack. Go for it from the off, as the cricketers do. Don’t think I can bear to watch another Maguire square pass in our own half to Stones, Stones square pass back to Maguire, Maguire backward pass to Stones ….. and so it goes on….. Football has moved on. Southgate, I fear, hasn’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, RedRock said: The more I watch tonight’s game (half-heartedly) the more I think we need rid of Southgate. We have the players, just not the game plan. I think the England cricketers have sussed it, be brave, bold and go for the jugular and attack. Go for it from the off, as the cricketers do. Don’t think I can bear to watch another Maguire square pass in our own half to Stones, Stones square pass back to Maguire, Maguire backward pass to Stones ….. and so it goes on….. Football has moved on. Southgate, I fear, hasn’t. I can see that if our players were armed with cricket bats they might stand a chance against Argentina. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 (edited) Roy Keane, Gary Neville and Ian Wright say no penalty. Interesting. OTIB clearly disagrees! Pundit ref says foul! Edited December 13, 2022 by And Its Smith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, RedRock said: The more I watch tonight’s game (half-heartedly) the more I think we need rid of Southgate. We have the players, just not the game plan. I think the England cricketers have sussed it, be brave, bold and go for the jugular and attack. Go for it from the off, as the cricketers do. Don’t think I can bear to watch another Maguire square pass in our own half to Stones, Stones square pass back to Maguire, Maguire backward pass to Stones ….. and so it goes on….. Football has moved on. Southgate, I fear, hasn’t. Argentina barely had an attack until they scored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted December 13, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 1 minute ago, And Its Smith said: Roy Keane, Gary Neville and Ian Wright say no penalty. Interesting. OTIB clearly disagrees! Pundit ref says foul! Peter Walton says a penalty. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 Why do they insist on wheeling out Peter Walton? He’s been wrong on almost every decision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 Just now, And Its Smith said: Roy Keane, Gary Neville and Ian Wright say no penalty. Interesting. OTIB clearly disagrees! And the ref on there is adamant it’s a pen! I still can’t see how it’s not a pen. If a defender slides in and misses the ball as the attacker nicks it past him, and then brings the attacker down then it’s a foul every time. What different for a keeper? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 13 minutes ago, SecretSam said: ITV coverage is absolute toilet. Twatterfavevand McMoist... Dumb and Dumber McCoist just needs to be doing the commentary with Jon Champion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 1 minute ago, And Its Smith said: Roy Keane, Gary Neville and Ian Wright say no penalty. Interesting. OTIB clearly disagrees! Pundit ref says foul! No foul for me. I’ve been saying this for ages; who initiated the contact? Keeper almost stationary and the forward runs into him. These are nearly always treated as deliberate body checks when frequently caused deliberately by the forward. Forwards often push the ball past a defender then run into them. They know they’ll get a free kick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Leveller said: No foul for me. I’ve been saying this for ages; who initiated the contact? Keeper almost stationary and the forward runs into him. These are nearly always treated as deliberate body checks when frequently caused deliberately by the forward. Forwards often push the ball past a defender then run into them. They know they’ll get a free kick. He doesn’t run into the keeper. It’s a coming together. I don’t agree that a penalty is the correct decision though. Edited December 13, 2022 by David Brent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 The penalty is certainly dividing opinion in lots of WhatsApp groups, on OTIB and on twitter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedorDead BCFC Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 It was a penalty I saw Messi take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 A clear and obvious penalty …. to anyone but Argentina. The referee should have awarded a free kick to Croatia and sent the attacker off for simulation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, Leveller said: No foul for me. I’ve been saying this for ages; who initiated the contact? Keeper almost stationary and the forward runs into him. These are nearly always treated as deliberate body checks when frequently caused deliberately by the forward. Forwards often push the ball past a defender then run into them. They know they’ll get a free kick. But by the rules of the game, it doesn't have to be deliberate. The 'keeper came to play the ball, missed and impeded the player instead. That is a foul. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 Very seldom do they pick a goalkeeper as a pundit. Amazing that all the outfield player pundits know exactly what the goalkeeper should have done and is invariably at fault! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Kid in the Riot said: But by the rules of the game, it doesn't have to be deliberate. The 'keeper came to play the ball, missed and impeded the player instead. That is a foul. For me too! The fact that he came to play the ball is what makes it a yellow card, not a red. But it’s still a penalty. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, RedRock said: A clear and obvious penalty …. to anyone but Argentina. The referee should have awarded a free kick to Croatia and sent the attacker off for simulation. ....and a 3 match ban for Bailey Wright! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, italian dave said: For me too! The fact that he came to play the ball is what makes it a yellow card, not a red. But it’s still a penalty. If two players collide, is it always a foul? And when did impeding become a foul rather than obstruction. Whatever happened to obstruction? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, italian dave said: For me too! The fact that he came to play the ball is what makes it a yellow card, not a red. But it’s still a penalty. ........... .......unless it's a goalie doing that against City!! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: But by the rules of the game, it doesn't have to be deliberate. The 'keeper came to play the ball, missed and impeded the player instead. That is a foul. If you are standing still (talking generally, not only in this case) and someone runs into you, you are impeding them - but it’s their fault not yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 9 minutes ago, Leveller said: If two players collide, is it always a foul? And when did impeding become a foul rather than obstruction. Whatever happened to obstruction? It became a foul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 Wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted December 13, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 Oh wow Messi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Leveller said: If two players collide, is it always a foul? And when did impeding become a foul rather than obstruction. Whatever happened to obstruction? Probably not, but most fouls involve a ‘collision’ of some sort. Take the first England penalty on Saturday. The French defender makes a genuine attempt to get the ball but Saka has nicked it past him. The defender certainly doesn’t then try to connect with Saka; if anything he tries to pull his leg back, but Saka ‘collides’ with it. He can’t avoid it. No-one suggested that wasn’t a pen. Indo agree with you that obstruction seems to have disappeared from the game though. Edited December 13, 2022 by italian dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DolmanGaz Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 So, after a third Argie goal, back to England, as I can't get excited about this match now... what happened against France makes me just angry and disappointed about the 2020 final v Italy. THAT was our chance, despite the England team, squad, manager, tactics, etc, being better in 2022, we had such an easy run to the final in the Euro's, against an aging Italy team, and even took the lead. THAT is why I think Southgate has to go. He messed up the best chance this squad will ever get. France will be stronger in 2024... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 Unbelievable 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, Leveller said: If you are standing still (talking generally, not only in this case) and someone runs into you, you are impeding them - but it’s their fault not yours. "Standing still"? The keeper has charged out to play the ball. He has missed the ball, made himself big, and taken the forward out. I just can't see what I'm missing that makes that ok? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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