World Cup 2022 thread (football only)

[Offside]

Great play by Messi to set up the third goal. 

[Sleepy1968]

1 minute ago, 2015 said:

Unbelievable 

That was a masterclass right there.

[italian dave]

Just brilliant. 

[One Team]

Messi’s assist is just unreal. Wow.

[Northern Red]

I think a lot of the praise he's been getting in the tournament has been OTT, but that was a bit special.

[Slippin cider]

His balance and skill is just mesmerising….

[RedorDead BCFC]

Has Argentina taken the most fans this tournament? 

[Malago]

On this showing I think Argentina will beat France, or Morocco if they pull off a shock tomorrow.

Edited December 13, 2022 by Malago

[Leveller]

3 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

"Standing still"? The keeper has charged out to play the ball. He has missed the ball, made himself big, and taken the forward out.

I just can't see what I'm missing that makes that ok?

I’m talking more generally now. If, say, a winger pushes a ball past a stationary full back and then runs into him rather than round him, should that be a foul? It’s often given as a body check when the defender hasn’t moved to stop him.

[redsquirrel]

1 minute ago, Slippin cider said:

His balance and skill is just mesmerising….

if ronaldo had done anything minutely resembling that,you could understand his sulks. messi is still a class above

[italian dave]

1 minute ago, Malago said:

On this showing I think Argentina will beat France, or Morocco if they pull off a shock tomorrow.

Either is going to be a fascinating game, isn’t it? I lost a bit of enthusiasm after Saturday, but got to admit I’m really looking forward to it again now. 

[Kid in the Riot]

1 minute ago, Leveller said:

I’m talking more generally now. If, say, a winger pushes a ball past a stationary full back and then runs into him rather than round him, should that be a foul? It’s often given as a body check when the defender hasn’t moved to stop him.

Agree, that's generally not a foul. 

[Super]

Croatia have done well to get this far. They were lucky against Brazil who will be kicking themselves still. Probably the end for Modric what a career he's had.

[italian dave]

4 minutes ago, Leveller said:

I’m talking more generally now. If, say, a winger pushes a ball past a stationary full back and then runs into him rather than round him, should that be a foul? It’s often given as a body check when the defender hasn’t moved to stop him.

I suppose you have to ask why would there be any situation where a defender is simply ‘stationary’. As in taking no part, just standing there, neutral: it just doesn’t happen, it’s a bit like the ‘interfering with play’ bit of the offside rule - generally, unless a player is yards away from play then they are interfering with play - if they’re not then why are they there!

I know what you mean though - especially when the attacker runs at the defender. But don’t think that happened tonight

 

Edited December 13, 2022 by italian dave

[Leveller]

2 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Agree, that's generally not a foul. 

So, it’s basically down to one’s interpretation of the facts. You could argue that this is what happened here. The keeper stood in front of the forward who ran into him rather than round him. In my view many of these collisions aren’t fouls by either player, but they’re usually given as one, even if it’s hard to say that either player is to blame.

[Leveller]

3 minutes ago, italian dave said:

I suppose you have to ask why would there be any situation where a defender is simply ‘stationary’. As in taking no part, just standing there, neutral: it just doesn’t happen, it’s a bit like the ‘interfering with play’ bit of the offside rule - generally, unless a player is yards away from play then they are interfering with play - if they’re not then why are they there!

I know what you mean though - especially when the attacker runs at the defender. But don’t think that happened tonight

 

I tend to disagree - defenders are often pretty stationary when forwards run at them with the ball.

[Bris Red]

28 minutes ago, Super said:

Croatia have done well to get this far. They were lucky against Brazil who will be kicking themselves still. Probably the end for Modric what a career he's had.

Still can’t believe Croatia made it past Brazil to be honest..

I thought they looked absolutely finished as a team when we beat them in the Euro’s, never did i think in a million years we would see them get to another semi-final but credit to them, a very resilient footballing country that has a population the same as Wales, it is hugely impressive what they have done on the world stage.

As for Argentina i am sorry but i cannot stand them, i would love either Morocco or France to beat them in the final.

Edited December 13, 2022 by Bris Red

[Sleepy1968]

6 minutes ago, Leveller said:

I tend to disagree - defenders are often pretty stationary when forwards run at them with the ball.

Don't ours like to backpeddle a bit first to afford the attacker a chance of a shot?

Edited December 13, 2022 by Sleepy1968

[Northern Red]

Croatia have won 1 game out of 6 in 90 minutes. Their gameplan relies on them being resilient and hanging in, so conceding 2 in quick succession did for them tonight.

[italian dave]

2 minutes ago, Leveller said:

I tend to disagree - defenders are often pretty stationary when forwards run at them with the ball.

But they don’t just stand there, watching, inviting the attacker to run past them. They move into the line of the attackers run. They make themselves big. Their intent is to stop the attacker from progressing. If they’re not doing any of that then what are they doing? 

And - just as with sticking a foot out - once you do that and the attacker gets a touch and the defender doesn’t then any contact is likely to be a potential foul. 

There are times when the attacker (usually because they’ve nicked the ball a bit too far) seems to deliberately run into the defender, and then I’d agree with you. But I don’t think that happened with tonight’s pen. 

[Leveller]

26 minutes ago, BigTone said:

It became a foul 

As far as I can see, the wording changed but the offence didn’t. It’s now “impeding the progress of an opponent “ but should still be an indirect free kick. It never is nowadays.

[downendcity]

19 minutes ago, RedorDead BCFC said:

Has Argentina taken the most fans this tournament? 

They've just rounded up the fans of the teams that have been eliminated and given them blue and white kit and face pain and free tickets for their games. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Apart from England fans that is!!

[David Brent]

Argentina fantastic

Of course they only won because FIFA wanted them to

[Port Said Red]

I really thought there would be more of a hug between Messi and Modric, those sort of players usually have a lot of respect for each other. If there was any doubt before this tournament, Messi has shown he is head an shoulders above Ronaldo or anyone else, even at 35 years of age.

[italian dave]

2 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

I really thought there would be more of a hug between Messi and Modric, those sort of players usually have a lot of respect for each other. If there was any doubt before this tournament, Messi has shown he is head an shoulders above Ronaldo or anyone else, even at 35 years of age.

Modric was quick to get out there and shake every Argentine hand though, wasn’t he. Class. Unlike certain ‘superstars’ who sulk off down the tunnel. 

[Leveller]

7 minutes ago, italian dave said:

But they don’t just stand there, watching, inviting the attacker to run past them. They move into the line of the attackers run. They make themselves big. Their intent is to stop the attacker from progressing. If they’re not doing any of that then what are they doing? 

And - just as with sticking a foot out - once you do that and the attacker gets a touch and the defender doesn’t then any contact is likely to be a potential foul. 

There are times when the attacker (usually because they’ve nicked the ball a bit too far) seems to deliberately run into the defender, and then I’d agree with you. But I don’t think that happened with tonight’s pen. 

I agree with the last bit. It was an accidental collision with no intent on either side.

[!james]

 

Tin hat time. Whilst I appreciate this was a good piece of skill I'm not sure it deserves the absolute wankfest it's received on social media. I mean if it wasn't Messi would it be getting the same praise?! A big lumbering centre back getting out run then having a Cruyff turn and turned inside... (Yes yes I know he is 35 and a goat)

 

[AppyDAZE]

Changed my mind about Argentina.

I'd like to see them win it now.

They are the most deserving, and I think it would be nice to see Messi get it.

 

[italian dave]

1 minute ago, !james said:

 

I mean if it wasn't Messi would it be getting the same praise?! 

 

It would if it happened at Ashton Gate

[!james]

1 minute ago, italian dave said:

It would if it happened at Ashton Gate

I definitely saw Martyn Woolford do something similar...