Stoke & WBA

[Dolman_Stand]

Not seen it on here already so apologies if already discussed but both games are on the Red Button, the Stoke one is a bit odd given its a Saturday 3pm KO?

[Gillies Downs Leeds]

Couple of the Championship games Saturday just gone were on the red button. Also 3 o clock kicks offs which haven't seen before.

[Phantom]

2 hours ago, Dolman_Stand said:

Not seen it on here already so apologies if already discussed but both games are on the Red Button, the Stoke one is a bit odd given its a Saturday 3pm KO?

 

46 minutes ago, Gillies Downs Leeds said:

Couple of the Championship games Saturday just gone were on the red button. Also 3 o clock kicks offs which haven't seen before.

A special agreement was made for when the World Cup was still on

[BTRFTG]

Pointless buying season tickets.

We'll not bother in future.

[Super]

5 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

Pointless buying season tickets.

We'll not bother in future.

Why?

[Davefevs]

Any idea when they might be on the Sky Planner?

[Bazooka Joe]

Not the dreaded red button.

Don't tell sleepy Joe Biden.

[BTRFTG]

1 hour ago, Super said:

Why?

Because over half the home games this year have been available via legal TV subscriptions we already have. If the only way we could see games meant we had to travel to AG we would. As is, sitting in comfort of home, watching the racing then footy then an immediate night out doing whatever,  rather than 3-4 hours each way, trying to source parking and £80 worth of petrol, its a no-brainer.

[Phantom]

1 hour ago, BTRFTG said:

Because over half the home games this year have been available via legal TV subscriptions we already have. If the only way we could see games meant we had to travel to AG we would. As is, sitting in comfort of home, watching the racing then footy then an immediate night out doing whatever,  rather than 3-4 hours each way, trying to source parking and £80 worth of petrol, its a no-brainer.

Let's be honest if you wanted to watch the games on TV it is very easily done now, there are those that are happy to watch on TV but equally those that prefer to go to the actual games

Nothing new in comparing to purchasing a season card

[22A]

Looking at their forum; Stoke are bringing less than 1,000 to AG.

[Lanterne Rouge]

23 minutes ago, 22A said:

Looking at their forum; Stoke are bringing less than 1,000 to AG.

Black Saturday. It`s always crap attendances. Perhaps Friday night would be better?

[Super]

34 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

Black Saturday. It`s always crap attendances. Perhaps Friday night would be better?

Prob busiest day for Xmas work parties on the Friday.

[Lanterne Rouge]

17 minutes ago, Super said:

Prob busiest day for Xmas work parties on the Friday.

Possibly but Christmas is over a week away and most have a full week`s work next week.

[Northern Red]

Train strike this weekend will put a few off.

[BTRFTG]

20 hours ago, phantom said:

Let's be honest if you wanted to watch the games on TV it is very easily done now, there are those that are happy to watch on TV but equally those that prefer to go to the actual games

Nothing new in comparing to purchasing a season card

I'm not one for breaking the law and, yes, things have changed.  Saturday 3pm fixtures on Sky for starters.

Start of the season we buy STs because that's pretty much the only way (supposedly) we can watch matches. Money banked the club moves games and announces games for broadcast. It used to be the odd game each season, its now more than half those games purchased.

Folks will do as they like but this mugs had enough and won't renew. I know, too, that's the the thin end of the wedge, of losing interest as quite a few games done in recent years I wouldn't have bothered had I not already had a ticket. Of interest to City is our empty seats in the Dolman next term won't be paid for, nor able to be announced as attendees. Its become a standing joke this year, it'll get worse next.

[Northern Red]

7 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

I'm not one for breaking the law and, yes, things have changed.  Saturday 3pm fixtures on Sky for starters.

Start of the season we buy STs because that's pretty much the only way (supposedly) we can watch matches. Money banked the club moves games and announces games for broadcast. It used to be the odd game each season, its now more than half those games purchased.

Folks will do as they like but this mugs had enough and won't renew. I know, too, that's the the thin end of the wedge, of losing interest as quite a few games done in recent years I wouldn't have bothered had I not already had a ticket. Of interest to City is our empty seats in the Dolman next term won't be paid for, nor able to be announced as attendees. Its become a standing joke this year, it'll get worse next.

A one-off due to the World Cup.

[W-S-M Seagull]

But watching on the TV will never compare to the actual match day experience. 

It's handy for away games that I'd not have gone to anyways but that's about it. 

Football clubs need to continue to innovative to make the match day experience even more attractive. 

[Midred]

Now both matches on sky site.

[Davefevs]

3 hours ago, Midred said:

Now both matches on sky site.

You gotta link please?  Also, do they appear on Sky Q planner.  I had a look yesterday, but couldn’t see. Ta

[italian dave]

On 13/12/2022 at 12:38, BTRFTG said:

Because over half the home games this year have been available via legal TV subscriptions we already have. If the only way we could see games meant we had to travel to AG we would. As is, sitting in comfort of home, watching the racing then footy then an immediate night out doing whatever,  rather than 3-4 hours each way, trying to source parking and £80 worth of petrol, its a no-brainer.

Personally, watching City means being at the match, for me. Don't especially enjoy watching it on TV and it's the whole match day experience that I like. (Although I'll admit I question that myself watching a fairly tedious second half at Rotherham with my toes freezing off).

The other plus of your watching it at home that you haven't mentioned is you'll be able to get that Tesla - and not have to worry about where you recharge it. 

[frenchred]

Do people really only go on a Saturday to watch the football? To me it's only part of the day out, sometimes not the best part!

I can watch every city game at home if I want but my god what a boring existance

[BTRFTG]

48 minutes ago, italian dave said:

Personally, watching City means being at the match, for me. Don't especially enjoy watching it on TV and it's the whole match day experience that I like. (Although I'll admit I question that myself watching a fairly tedious second half at Rotherham with my toes freezing off).

The other plus of your watching it at home that you haven't mentioned is you'll be able to get that Tesla - and not have to worry about where you recharge it. 

Wholly agree about being at the game, but there's no longer anything remotely enjoyable about a matchday experience spent largely in gridlock, visiting a City that hates visitors and, of late, seemingly starring in Trains, Planes & Automobiles just to get there. Even a couple of hours with mates in the boozer doesn't compensate for the grief endured. 

On a positive note, I don't have to pretend to show faux, green credentials by driving an EV. Not travelling is as green as it gets. NB: should I ever get an EV, the local planners in this 'heritage' conservation area aren't approving of external charging points, as they aren't of solar panels, solar hot water systems, energy efficient glazing, thermal cladding, external condensers or anything that might detract from the bucolic vista of the inner-city horse access on which I live. Now't so two-faced as planners 

Edited December 14, 2022 by BTRFTG

[RedRock]

6 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

Wholly agree about being at the game, but there's no longer anything remotely enjoyable about a matchday experience spent largely in gridlock, visiting a City that hates visitors and, of late, seemingly starring in Trains, Planes & Automobiles just to get there. Even a couple of hours with mates in the boozer doesn't compensate for the grief endured. 

On a positive note, I don't have to pretend to show faux, green credentials by driving an EV. Not travelling is as green as it gets. NB: should I ever get an EV, the local planners in this 'heritage' conservation area aren't approving of external charging points, as they aren't of solar panels, solar hot water systems, energy efficient glazing, thermal cladding, external condensers or anything that might detract from the bucolic vista of the inner-city horse access on which I live. Now't so two-faced as planners 

…. support the planners. The desecration caused by insensitive developers/property owners to our historic built and natural environment is obscene. 

If we can get a man on the moon, we can get an internal electric car recharger cable holder that doesn’t look like a friggin oversized illuminated hose reel. 

[BTRFTG]

23 minutes ago, RedRock said:

…. support the planners. The desecration caused by insensitive developers/property owners to our historic built and natural environment is obscene. 

If we can get a man on the moon, we can get an internal electric car recharger cable holder that doesn’t look like a friggin oversized illuminated hose reel. 

Here in Greenwich planners approve all sorts of hideous eyesores (usually accompanied by brown envelopes,) yet are wholly unsympathetic to folks attempting to make modern use of unremarkable buildings that are of little or no importance. My gaff is a fine example of as bog-standard a late 1920s terrace as one might source, but because of its individual foibles (constructed by a noted local builder,) it's location between 17th C coach houses, Corbusier & FLW copies and brutalist 60's modernism, all on a 'country lane', its 'group eclectic aesthetic' is not for amending in their eyes. Not even when they attempt to cajole me into installing solar under their Borough wide sustainability procurement.

Great, where do I sign up?

Oh, you live where? Sorry, you can't apply on that road.

Edited December 14, 2022 by BTRFTG

[Midred]

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

You gotta link please?  Also, do they appear on Sky Q planner.  I had a look yesterday, but couldn’t see. Ta

Sky football on tv, both on red button. Doesn't confirm which commentary we'll get though!

[Davefevs]

1 minute ago, Midred said:

Sky football on tv, both on red button. Doesn't confirm which commentary we'll get though!

Want to try to record it, rather than watch live.

[italian dave]

1 hour ago, BTRFTG said:

Wholly agree about being at the game, but there's no longer anything remotely enjoyable about a matchday experience spent largely in gridlock, visiting a City that hates visitors and, of late, seemingly starring in Trains, Planes & Automobiles just to get there. Even a couple of hours with mates in the boozer doesn't compensate for the grief endured. 

On a positive note, I don't have to pretend to show faux, green credentials by driving an EV. Not travelling is as green as it gets. NB: should I ever get an EV, the local planners in this 'heritage' conservation area aren't approving of external charging points, as they aren't of solar panels, solar hot water systems, energy efficient glazing, thermal cladding, external condensers or anything that might detract from the bucolic vista of the inner-city horse access on which I live. Now't so two-faced as planners 

Fair point: my journey to the Gate is a relatively straightforward 15 mins from Portishead - although even that can test the patience at times. I spent several seasons in my younger days making the journey from Brighton and then from South London every week - but I suspect it was a more pleasant trip then. 

 

[Northern Red]

43 minutes ago, Midred said:

Sky football on tv, both on red button. Doesn't confirm which commentary we'll get though!

It'll be a Sky commentator.

[cidered abroad]

4 hours ago, BTRFTG said:

Wholly agree about being at the game, but there's no longer anything remotely enjoyable about a matchday experience spent largely in gridlock, visiting a City that hates visitors and, of late, seemingly starring in Trains, Planes & Automobiles just to get there. Even a couple of hours with mates in the boozer doesn't compensate for the grief endured. 

On a positive note, I don't have to pretend to show faux, green credentials by driving an EV. Not travelling is as green as it gets. NB: should I ever get an EV, the local planners in this 'heritage' conservation area aren't approving of external charging points, as they aren't of solar panels, solar hot water systems, energy efficient glazing, thermal cladding, external condensers or anything that might detract from the bucolic vista of the inner-city horse access on which I live. Now't so two-faced as planners 

Bye bye!

[semblar]

19 hours ago, BTRFTG said:

Wholly agree about being at the game, but there's no longer anything remotely enjoyable about a matchday experience spent largely in gridlock, visiting a City that hates visitors and, of late, seemingly starring in Trains, Planes & Automobiles just to get there. Even a couple of hours with mates in the boozer doesn't compensate for the grief endured. 

On a positive note, I don't have to pretend to show faux, green credentials by driving an EV. Not travelling is as green as it gets. NB: should I ever get an EV, the local planners in this 'heritage' conservation area aren't approving of external charging points, as they aren't of solar panels, solar hot water systems, energy efficient glazing, thermal cladding, external condensers or anything that might detract from the bucolic vista of the inner-city horse access on which I live. Now't so two-faced as planners 

it isn't faux green credentials for everyone driving an EV - for me I got mine through a salary sacrifice scheme, so the current tax incentives mean it was cheaper for me than a petrol or diesel car in terms of the net monthly cost in my pay packet...then cheaper running costs (about 5p a mile in summer, 8p or so with the heating on right now). Any perceived green benefit is a bonus, I made the choice on money in my pocket, nothing more. Sounds like where you live is a pain in the rear end when it comes to trying to cut your energy bills.

As i've said to others who find a season ticket isn't being used enough, maybe consider downgrading to membership? At least when you do want to get to a game you get it cheaper and there is still a level of priority for a big cup match or (dreaming now) playoff fixture

[BTRFTG]

1 hour ago, semblar said:

it isn't faux green credentials for everyone driving an EV - for me I got mine through a salary sacrifice scheme, so the current tax incentives mean it was cheaper for me than a petrol or diesel car in terms of the net monthly cost in my pay packet...then cheaper running costs (about 5p a mile in summer, 8p or so with the heating on right now). Any perceived green benefit is a bonus, I made the choice on money in my pocket, nothing more. Sounds like where you live is a pain in the rear end when it comes to trying to cut your energy bills.

As i've said to others who find a season ticket isn't being used enough, maybe consider downgrading to membership? At least when you do want to get to a game you get it cheaper and there is still a level of priority for a big cup match or (dreaming now) playoff fixture

The problem with emotive issues such as sustainability is folks are prone to cite the benefits whilst conveniently ignoring that which diminishes their argument. Clearly, fewer damaging emissions emerge from EVs than from petrol cars, but that has to be discounted by emissions arising from production and distribution of electricity. Not simply volume based, but EV damaging emissions in production are considerably greater than for conventional vehicles. There's also emerging evidence that lifespan of batteries and EV components are far shorter than for conventional vehicles. Then there's the biggie. Very few EVs, in particular their batteries, are recycled for reason that's a very expensive, energy consuming process. They're landfill, so have a massive polluting impact, if not immediate carbon footprint, which is ignored. You'll often see the manufacturers and green groups publish data that's based on comparatively short lifecycles (4 years is common,) as this gets around the built in senescence of EV. They'll also claim guff such as 92% of EU citizens have access to 100% renewable charging (as if renewable power is separately distributed.) EVs are more expensive upfront, charging point installations can be expensive and without common standards may need to be changed with the car (needless and inefficient.) 

So I use the term 'faux green' and will explain why. As Estates Director for a government agency sustainability reporting fell under my remit. Talk about have to pull the wool to suit ministerial agenda. Under one harebrained scheme I opened 68 offices around the UK. One was Objective One, EU funded. Brand new, never occupied, pride of the local Green(ish) Authority, geothermally and solar powered. I fitted it out. Although it had the lowest power consumption of any of the 68 offices, it had by far the highest functional carbon footprint. How? Well the geothermal and solar interfaces never worked for more than a day or so at a time. The engineer (I think there only was one specialist,) attended on a monthly rota when called out as they were based in Aberdeen (the office was in Cornwall.) Spares, (required each visit but only once the problem was identified the previous month) came from all over the globe. So in addition to maintaining an unusable office I had to source alternate, temporary, inefficient accommodation for staffs and public elsewhere. After a year we walked away, writing off the very expensive install, picking up huge dilapidations, and having to fit-out a replacement, conventionally powered office nearby.  

Immediate 'in pocket' saving similarly isn't necessarily as advantageous as might first appear (that's why employers offer such schemes.) One assumes you've a leased EV through salary sacrifice. If so, I'd expect the term of the lease for renewal to be shorter than one might otherwise keep a vehicle if purchased. Like anything that's leased you'll keep getting upgrades but lifecycle like-for-like is likely to be far more expensive than buy, keep and use until its no longer functional. (My kids laugh at my 'ancient' if now ultra cheap to run mobile.) As for salary sacrifice: any benefit has to be discounted by losses in respect of future pay increases, employer pension contributions, sick or redundancy pay et al.

It isn't as cut and dried as is often cited.

[semblar]

14 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

 

Immediate 'in pocket' saving similarly isn't necessarily as advantageous as might first appear (that's why employers offer such schemes.) One assumes you've a leased EV through salary sacrifice. If so, I'd expect the term of the lease for renewal to be shorter than one might otherwise keep a vehicle if purchased. Like anything that's leased you'll keep getting upgrades but lifecycle like-for-like is likely to be far more expensive than buy, keep and use until its no longer functional. (My kids laugh at my 'ancient' if now ultra cheap to run mobile.) As for salary sacrifice: any benefit has to be discounted by losses in respect of future pay increases, employer pension contributions, sick or redundancy pay et al.

It isn't as cut and dried as is often cited.

The last point at least isn't relevant for my employment - my "reference salary" for use when calculating payrises, pensions, etc is maintained unchanged by the salary sacrifice agreement. I agree it isn't for everybody - but when I decided to go down the salary sacrifice route I did it with my eyes open and then when it came to choosing the car to get a car of similar size/spec it was significantly more expensive to get a petrol or diesel car than the one I chose - over £200 a month net cost less than the one it replaced, even without the cost per mile for electricity Vs petrol or diesel (even now with the electric increases)

[Davefevs]

 

[Lanterne Rouge]

Millwall away now showing on the Sky site as a red button game.

[Sir Geoff]

5 hours ago, Davefevs said:

 

Too expensive to sit at home with the heating on, so will still make the 4 hour round trip. If I am to watch it in the cold it may as well be in the ground.

[Lanterne Rouge]

38 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said:

Too expensive to sit at home with the heating on, so will still make the 4 hour round trip. If I am to watch it in the cold it may as well be in the ground.

Good shout. The cost of petrol, parking, pies and pints would only be the same as putting your heating on for the first half so the second is effectively free!