Dean Holden

[GrahamC]

New Charlton manager.

Bit surprised he’s got a job that big after failing to land the Rotherham & Exeter gigs, but there you go.

Be interested to see how he gets on, they should be doing far better in the third tier.

[Silvio Dante]

Heavily rumoured to be the new Charlton boss. The fans, not that they have been gruntled to this point, appear to be relatively disgruntled…

 

 

 

[Silvio Dante]

Just posted same - mods, please merge

[Northern Red]

Good luck to him but that's a proper tough gig to take on, they're an absolute mess on and off the pitch.

[glynriley]

10 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

New Charlton manager.

Bit surprised he’s got a job that big after failing to land the Rotherham & Exeter gigs, but there you go.

Be interested to see how he gets on, they should be doing far better in the third tier.

Wish him well. Good bloke but the City job was too big for him, as is subsequently being proved.

[GrahamC]

2 minutes ago, glynriley said:

Wish him well. Good bloke but the City job was too big for him, as is subsequently being proved.

Spot on mate.

[LondonBristolian]

Good for him. We had some good performances early on under him and it was clear in interviews that he thinks a lot about the game. I think the major issue with us was that too many things went wrong that season for a new inexperienced manager to cope with and it all slid out of control. A bit more luck at Charlton and he might actually do okay. 

[lenred]

4 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

Good luck to him but that's a proper tough gig to take on, they're an absolute mess on and off the pitch.

He certainly doesn’t go for the easy route - you have to give him that! Good luck to him. 

[And Its Smith]

Good luck to him and I hope it works out well. Must say it’s a bizarre appointment though. Charlton fans can’t be very happy. 

[Port Said Red]

I thought he was going to stay in the Midlands, I guess the opportunity was too good to turn down.

[Oizys]

1 hour ago, Silvio Dante said:

Heavily rumoured to be the new Charlton boss. The fans, not that they have been gruntled to this point, appear to be relatively disgruntled…

 

 

 

"Awful manager with a crap style of play" How the bloody hell would they know anything about his management capabilities and style of play?!?

[One Team]

A surprise appointment, seems to be driven by the DoF according to their forum? Their views seem to range from disappointment to apathy which I guess isn’t a surprise. 

I’ve not considered him as the top position and thought he might stay in the coaching and supporting roles now, but fair enough for giving it a go. 

Clearly a decent man but glad his time as head coach is long gone; something that really never should have happened (rigorous process flash backs!). 

Edited December 20, 2022 by One Team

[Oizys]

I hope someone has told the fanbase that they have acquired an outstanding human....And in fairness, they actually have.  I wish him all the luck in the world.

 

[Unan]

Just lost to the Gas, you know it must be a shambles there

[frenchred]

3 hours ago, glynriley said:

Wish him well. Good bloke but the City job was too big for him, as is subsequently being proved.

Got better stats than the current clown

[Norn Iron]

the BBC commentator who follows The Addicks was interviewed by Radio Briz prior to the Rovers game. I'm surprised Dean has accepted the job after what the beeb said. 

The fans are fed up with the board. Nothing new but it is far worse than normal apparently. Apathy is rife. Their previous manager was given no support by the board etc.

One thing the commentator said though was that despite all the sackings and ill feeling etc, there will always be a professional manager wanting the job. 

[Selred]

2 hours ago, Steve Watts said:

"Awful manager with a crap style of play" How the bloody hell would they know anything about his management capabilities and style of play?!?

Are they wrong ?

[Coxy27]

33 minutes ago, frenchred said:

Got better stats than the current clown

No one would be happy if he was appointed here though would they - in fact, everyone was livid when he was.

Can totally see why Charlton fans would be incredibly underwhelmed.

[Son of Fred]

2 hours ago, Marcus Aurelius said:

Just lost to the Gas, you know it must be a shambles there

I don't like to give too much credit to our nomadic neighbours,,,although they are 5th on current form - not too shabby.

[Swede]

25 minutes ago, Coxy27 said:

No one would be happy if he was appointed here though would they - in fact, everyone was livid when he was.

Can totally see why Charlton fans would be incredibly underwhelmed.

In fairness we were when he got the job here. But that was after 6 weeks of intensive scrutiny by swiss mark. Nice bloke though. 

[MC RISK77]

Good chance for him to show what he can do in the first team manager role again

Just scrolled down and saw already listed mods please merge

[Supersonic Robin]

3 hours ago, Norn Iron said:

the BBC commentator who follows The Addicks was interviewed by Radio Briz prior to the Rovers game. I'm surprised Dean has accepted the job after what the beeb said. 

The fans are fed up with the board. Nothing new but it is far worse than normal apparently. Apathy is rife. Their previous manager was given no support by the board etc.

One thing the commentator said though was that despite all the sackings and ill feeling etc, there will always be a professional manager wanting the job. 

I suppose if the cub were in a good place then they wouldn't be appointing someone with Holden's (lack of) experience and prestige.

I imagine both parties are looking at it thinking "It's far from ideal, but it's the best we can get right now".

[LondonBristolian]

3 hours ago, Selred said:

Are they wrong ?

Time will tell. In Fairness to him, the style of play for the first few games after his appointment was a definite improvement from the tail end of Johnson’s reign. He really did not adapt to injuries to players like Weimann or Mawson and we were awful by the end but he might - or of course might not - have learned from what went wrong with us.

[Unan]

3 hours ago, Son of Fred said:

I don't like to give too much credit to our nomadic neighbours,,,although they are 5th on current form - not too shabby.

No wonder, they're playing teams that see Holden as an appropriate replacement!

[RoystonFoote'snephew]

I don't know who applied for the Charlton job and what process they went through but I can imagine him saying all the right things and that he wouldn't have been the most expensive option. 

[bcfcredandwhite]

7 hours ago, glynriley said:

Wish him well. Good bloke but the City job was too big for him, as is subsequently being proved.

And the manner of his appointment here didn’t help. 
Nice guy - wish him well. 

[Jerseybean]

Good start just beat BHA on penalties https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63967175

 

[Northern Red]

He wasn't in charge tonight. 

[Guest]

On 20/12/2022 at 09:22, Northern Red said:

Good luck to him but that's a proper tough gig to take on, they're an absolute mess on and off the pitch.

He would still be managing our club if it was up to you 

[Bris Red]

Fair play i can see why Charlton fans aren’t happy, without anything of note on his CV why would their board think he is the candidate to get them out of League one..?

[Garland-sweden]

When Holden was here we started very Good but later on we got more than lots of injuries. Dont know How it had went If we had a fit squad. Wish him Good luck with Charlton.

[CodeRed]

1 hour ago, Bris Red said:

Fair play i can see why Charlton fans aren’t happy, without anything of note on his CV why would their board think he is the candidate to get them out of League one..?

We'll our " board" thought he was the candidate to get us 'over the line' into the Premier League!!!

[Son of Fred]

31 minutes ago, CodeRed said:

We'll our " board" thought he was the candidate to get us 'over the line' into the Premier League!!!

Not for a second did they come to that conclusion.

[Bris Red]

5 hours ago, CodeRed said:

We'll our " board" thought he was the candidate to get us 'over the line' into the Premier League!!!

Yup, i feel for the Charlton fans their board is clearly as delusional as ours..!

[Bris Red]

5 hours ago, Son of Fred said:

Not for a second did they come to that conclusion.

Maybe not but that was the lie that was feed to the fanbase. Of all of SL’s abysmal managerial decisions Holden is the worst of the lot for me.

Edited December 22, 2022 by Bris Red

[2015]

47 minutes ago, Bris Red said:

Maybe not but that was the lie that was feed to the fanbase. Of all of SL’s abysmal managerial decisions Holden is the worst of the lot for me.

Yet I keep reading on twitter that Holden 'did ok' during his time here as Manager. It was god awful and we could barely muster a shot on target most weeks after our lucky start to the season.

Again, a point I made the other day - he fits the smiley smiley happy go lucky kind of manager a lot of our fans want.

[bexhill reds]

Not sure why there is so much negativity about Holden on here, he clearly wants to go into management, he's done his time in coaching and assistant manager roles, and why would he not have accepted the City job when it was offered in the first place. We are a good club that he knew inside out with the benefit of patient owners when it came to fledging managers. I would argue that not one of us if we were in a similar position would have said "Sorry Steve, the club is too big for me, I'll pass"

It's taken almost 2 seasons for Pearson to at least turn some of the background mess around, and even now it's still not right, so I can't see how anyone can truly judge Holden based on what he took over, and I bet he's learnt from the experience. 

To my mind, and I'm judging this solely from interviews both pre, during and post City, he is clearly a good honest football man, who thinks about the game and puts his absolute all into being successful, and to that extent he deserves a break to try and prove himself. He's obviously said enough to get the current owners to put him in, albeit they are another team with strange owners.

I hope it works for him, and I can't see him giving any less than 100% for however long he is there for.

Edited December 22, 2022 by bexhill reds

[Davefevs]

44 minutes ago, bexhill reds said:

Not sure why there is so much negativity about Holden on here, he clearly wants to go into management, he's done his time in coaching and assistant manager roles, and why would he not have accepted the City job when it was offered in the first place. We are a good club that he knew inside out with the benefit of patient owners when it came to fledging managers. I would argue that not one of us if we were in a similar position would have said "Sorry Steve, the club is too big for me, I'll pass"

It's taken almost 2 seasons for Pearson to at least turn some of the background mess around, and even now it's still not right, so I can't see how anyone can truly judge Holden based on what he took over, and I bet he's learnt from the experience. 

To my mind, and I'm judging this solely from interviews both pre, during and post City, he is clearly a good honest football man, who thinks about the game and puts his absolute all into being successful, and to that extent he deserves a break to try and prove himself. He's obviously said enough to get the current owners to put him in, albeit they are another team with strange owners.

I hope it works for him, and I can't see him giving any less than 100% for however long he is there for.

Well said.  Holden was the first manager to have to deal with the financial situation, his one and only signing out injured before pre-season really started, and then hamstrung by hamstrings!  I’m sure there was some naivety from him, and our play was awful at the time he was sacked, but he had some horrid injuries to contend with.  Not saying he was great or anything like that, but he’s worked his way back to getting a shot at Charlton, so good luck to him.

[2015]

1 hour ago, bexhill reds said:

Not sure why there is so much negativity about Holden on here, he clearly wants to go into management, he's done his time in coaching and assistant manager roles, and why would he not have accepted the City job when it was offered in the first place. We are a good club that he knew inside out with the benefit of patient owners when it came to fledging managers. I would argue that not one of us if we were in a similar position would have said "Sorry Steve, the club is too big for me, I'll pass"

It's taken almost 2 seasons for Pearson to at least turn some of the background mess around, and even now it's still not right, so I can't see how anyone can truly judge Holden based on what he took over, and I bet he's learnt from the experience. 

To my mind, and I'm judging this solely from interviews both pre, during and post City, he is clearly a good honest football man, who thinks about the game and puts his absolute all into being successful, and to that extent he deserves a break to try and prove himself. He's obviously said enough to get the current owners to put him in, albeit they are another team with strange owners.

I hope it works for him, and I can't see him giving any less than 100% for however long he is there for.

Nice bloke don't get me wrong but it's because of appointments like Holden that we're in this position in the first place. We really should of at that time gone for a Manager with higher calibre but went for the easy option as per usual

[Lanterne Rouge]

16 minutes ago, 2015 said:

Nice bloke don't get me wrong but it's because of appointments like Holden that we're in this position in the first place. We really should of at that time gone for a Manager with higher calibre but went for the easy option as per usual

Largely down to Swiss Toni who didn`t want anyone who would challenge him or call out his bullshit IMO.

[frenchred]

39 minutes ago, 2015 said:

Nice bloke don't get me wrong but it's because of appointments like Holden that we're in this position in the first place. We really should of at that time gone for a Manager with higher calibre but went for the easy option as per usual

it’s because of appointments like johnson we are in this shit state

[Davefevs]

59 minutes ago, 2015 said:

Nice bloke don't get me wrong but it's because of appointments like Holden that we're in this position in the first place. We really should of at that time gone for a Manager with higher calibre but went for the easy option as per usual

We certainly looked at other higher calibre managers…the story is they “turned us down” after they’d got into the true interview stages.

”Turned us down” is being loosely used here because if we take Hughton (a higher calibre manager) as an example, he might’ve been demanding too much, and it might’ve been us who realised he was the wrong fit.

Ashton and JL spoke to over 10 candidates and had multiple interviews with 4.  We are led to believe that that Holden, Hughton and Cook were three.  The fourth is always a bit of a mystery…Ryan Lowe is one theory.

[ScottishRed]

49 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

Largely down to Swiss Toni who didn`t want anyone who would challenge him or call out his bullshit IMO.

100%.

I suspect that nice Mr Ashton knew the risks for him, in an experienced manager being appointed, and had not quite sealed the Ipswich job therefore,he was Holdens biggest advocate during the ‘rigorous ‘ recruitment process.

[Davefevs]

7 minutes ago, ScottishRed said:

100%.

I suspect that nice Mr Ashton knew the risks for him, in an experienced manager being appointed, and had not quite sealed the Ipswich job therefore,he was Holdens biggest advocate during the ‘rigorous ‘ recruitment process.

100% to your 100%.

[Bristol Oil Services]

38 minutes ago, frenchred said:

it’s because of appointments like johnson we are in this shit state

.... johnson, and every appointment this club has ever made in its entire history that we are in this precise state we find ourselves in today. 

[cidercity1987]

Given their last appointment was a bloke who basically got the Gas relegated I would have thought Charlton would be delighted at getting a City reject.

Holden could do well there but against him again is that his backroom staff seem a random collection with zero synergy, just like here with Simpson and Downing.

[Lrrr]

I mean.... who didn't see Man United getting Charlton at home

[Super]

2 minutes ago, Lrrr said:

I mean.... who didn't see Man United getting Charlton at home

Chance for Holden to be an instant hero!

[W-S-M Seagull]

1 minute ago, Lrrr said:

I mean.... who didn't see Man United getting Charlton at home

Absolutely delighted for him. He's a lifelong United fan so he must be absolutely buzzing. 

[One Team]

8 hours ago, Lrrr said:

I mean.... who didn't see Man United getting Charlton at home

Man Utd in the quarter final of the league cup, must ring a bell with Holden that! 

[red panda]

13 hours ago, Davefevs said:

We certainly looked at other higher calibre managers…the story is they “turned us down” after they’d got into the true interview stages.

”Turned us down” is being loosely used here because if we take Hughton (a higher calibre manager) as an example, he might’ve been demanding too much, and it might’ve been us who realised he was the wrong fit.

Ashton and JL spoke to over 10 candidates and had multiple interviews with 4.  We are led to believe that that Holden, Hughton and Cook were three.  The fourth is always a bit of a mystery…Ryan Lowe is one theory.

Think we probably dodged a bullet there?

[Lrrr]

Happened to be at Charlton's game today, thought they were very good for the most part, kept the ball on the floor and moved it with intent, good linking play when the game opened up but difficult against Lincoln's shape. 2-1 in the end but Charlton should have had more and Lincoln scoring after a 3rd shot in the box with the previous 2 blocked. Hopefully for Dean he's able to have a team full of senior players available to him rather than the injury farce that happened here, if they play like they did today they'll be challenging for promotion sooner rather than later.

[exAtyeoMax]

On 22/12/2022 at 19:25, Davefevs said:

We certainly looked at other higher calibre managers…the story is they “turned us down” after they’d got into the true interview stages.

”Turned us down” is being loosely used here because if we take Hughton (a higher calibre manager) as an example, he might’ve been demanding too much, and it might’ve been us who realised he was the wrong fit.

Ashton and JL spoke to over 10 candidates and had multiple interviews with 4.  We are led to believe that that Holden, Hughton and Cook were three.  The fourth is always a bit of a mystery…Ryan Lowe is one theory.

Would he have had the club’s best interest at heart though? Would be interesting to know what was discussed in each interview. Perhaps JL is too nice/naïve and bowed to the great man’s better judgement

[Davefevs]

3 hours ago, exAtyeoMax said:

Would he have had the club’s best interest at heart though? Would be interesting to know what was discussed in each interview. Perhaps JL is too nice/naïve and bowed to the great man’s better judgement

I think Mark Ashton only has his own interests, his own ego and his own pocket at heart.

It certainly would’ve been interesting to have been a fly on the wall!!!