mozo Posted March 21, 2023 Report Share Posted March 21, 2023 This Auxerre loan has worked out really well for him so far. It'll be interesting to see where he ends up next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon bristol Posted March 21, 2023 Report Share Posted March 21, 2023 By all rights that should mean an increase to his compensation fee,,, that transfer has been a shocking waste of time and money for us… again…. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted March 21, 2023 Report Share Posted March 21, 2023 9 minutes ago, Simon bristol said: By all rights that should mean an increase to his compensation fee,,, that transfer has been a shocking waste of time and money for us… again…. I think @Davefevs has made the point earlier that the compensation is a fixed fee worked out on a formula, and that performance doesn’t come into it. Didn’t work out too well for him either: I can’t help feeling he’d have made a lot more progress had he been at a club and playing a style of football that was better using his strengths. He’s evidently got the talent, we just haven’t been able to make the best of it. And that’s not a criticism of anyone, it’s just how things sometimes pan out, especially when clubs change managers. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon bristol Posted March 21, 2023 Report Share Posted March 21, 2023 1 minute ago, italian dave said: I think @Davefevs has made the point earlier that the compensation is a fixed fee worked out on a formula, and that performance doesn’t come into it. Didn’t work out too well for him either: I can’t help feeling he’d have made a lot more progress had he been at a club and playing a style of football that was better using his strengths. He’s evidently got the talent, we just haven’t been able to make the best of it. And that’s not a criticism of anyone, it’s just how things sometimes pan out, especially when clubs change managers. Yes that compensation calculation is the way I understood it worked too. i dunno,, hnm has made a good living, but also, his physicality from growing up in the championship will have improved substantially and will have set him up for a good career im the european leagues.. apart from the last 6 months he probably doesn’t have too many complaints?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted March 21, 2023 Report Share Posted March 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Simon bristol said: Yes that compensation calculation is the way I understood it worked too. i dunno,, hnm has made a good living, but also, his physicality from growing up in the championship will have improved substantially and will have set him up for a good career im the european leagues.. apart from the last 6 months he probably doesn’t have too many complaints?! Yes, fair comment. I’m not sure players worry solely about money and he certainly doesn’t strike me that way. And I don’t think he’ll have enjoyed Holden’s spell much. But yes, I’m sure he will see positives in his time here. There’s no doubt he developed, and 100 (or 99 for the pedants!) games at Championship level is a good CV 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted March 21, 2023 Report Share Posted March 21, 2023 1 hour ago, italian dave said: Yes, fair comment. I’m not sure players worry solely about money and he certainly doesn’t strike me that way. And I don’t think he’ll have enjoyed Holden’s spell much. But yes, I’m sure he will see positives in his time here. There’s no doubt he developed, and 100 (or 99 for the pedants!) games at Championship level is a good CV He came here to play games, that's why he didn't go to a bigger European Club . He was happy with the amount he played up to the start of this season , but I think someone has been in his ear. If he had accepted the new offer he would have been playing, but someone had eyes on the money move, not sure it was him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norn Iron Posted March 21, 2023 Report Share Posted March 21, 2023 On 04/03/2023 at 10:52, Davefevs said: He drinks the absinthe he drinks the pernod is the words! Ses cheveux sont xxxxx massifs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norn Iron Posted March 21, 2023 Report Share Posted March 21, 2023 Il boit L'Absinthe, I'll boit du Pernod. Ses cheveux sont xxxx massifs. What are the chances of hearing this at his next match? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorleRed89 Posted March 22, 2023 Report Share Posted March 22, 2023 Probably just missed the boat here but did we ever figure out how much that deal cost city? Remember it being mooted to be around 8m but assume that would have included various add ons etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Watts Posted March 22, 2023 Report Share Posted March 22, 2023 19 hours ago, Simon bristol said: By all rights that should mean an increase to his compensation fee,,, that transfer has been a shocking waste of time and money for us… again…. Compensation doesn't come into play, does it? Neither does him being OOC. Everyone knows we were just looking after him ahead of his agreed £8m move to Chelsea..... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Watts Posted March 22, 2023 Report Share Posted March 22, 2023 17 minutes ago, WorleRed89 said: Probably just missed the boat here but did we ever figure out how much that deal cost city? Remember it being mooted to be around 8m but assume that would have included various add ons etc It was confirmed that it was never anywhere near £8m. I believe the "official" (rumoured) fee was around £2m with add ons. Actual figure was "Undisclosed". The £8m fee was an over-excited journalist whose fantasy figure seemed to gain traction. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon bristol Posted March 22, 2023 Report Share Posted March 22, 2023 4 minutes ago, Steve Watts said: Compensation doesn't come into play, does it? Neither does him being OOC. Everyone knows we were just looking after him ahead of his agreed £8m move to Chelsea..... Oh yes, hopefully the secret contractual obligation still stands despite them having 73 new managers and a new owner since the deal was done! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted March 22, 2023 Report Share Posted March 22, 2023 10 minutes ago, Simon bristol said: Oh yes, hopefully the secret contractual obligation still stands despite them having 73 new managers and a new owner since the deal was done! Given the way the new owner is chucking cash about, City could probably try it on and tell him about that deal and he'd happily pay up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 22, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2023 €3m fee allegedly….the £8m / $8m was made up of wages and other clauses (plus sell-on), which is the way some transfers are stated in France. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted March 22, 2023 Report Share Posted March 22, 2023 9 minutes ago, Davefevs said: €3m fee allegedly….the £8m / $8m was made up of wages and other clauses (plus sell-on), which is the way some transfers are stated in France. Yep, with the exchange rate at that time, a figure of £2.3m seems to be the correct one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted March 22, 2023 Report Share Posted March 22, 2023 11 minutes ago, Davefevs said: €3m fee allegedly….the £8m / $8m was made up of wages and other clauses (plus sell-on), which is the way some transfers are stated in France. Just now, GrahamC said: Yep, with the exchange rate at that time, a figure of £2.3m seems to be the correct one. I heard £2m when he joined, so near enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 22, 2023 Report Share Posted March 22, 2023 Is a shame how it ended, he clearly has attributes and IMO should be capable of having a decent career. Had he signed a new deal here he would be getting plenty of game time right now with all the midfield injuries, and the shift to a 4-3-3 of sorts. Would be funny if he scored for France U21 but he's not really a goal scoring midfielder but energy, not bad technically- a 2 or a 2 and attacking mid could leave him a bit exposed though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claverham_Red Posted March 25, 2023 Report Share Posted March 25, 2023 Congrats to Massengo who came on for the last 8 minutes to make his French under-21 debut. England were already 3-0 up when he came on. He did his usual passing around but looked bright, at times felt his team mates were reluctant to pass to him right away. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted March 25, 2023 Report Share Posted March 25, 2023 On 21/03/2023 at 20:29, Norn Iron said: On 21/03/2023 at 20:29, Norn Iron said: Il boit L'Absinthe, I'll boit du Pernod. Ses cheveux sont xxxx massifs. What are the chances of hearing this at his next match? Slim and Zero. Slim just left town . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphindevon Posted March 25, 2023 Report Share Posted March 25, 2023 36 minutes ago, Claverham_Red said: Congrats to Massengo who came on for the last 8 minutes to make his French under-21 debut. England were already 3-0 up when he came on. He did his usual passing around but looked bright, at times felt his team mates were reluctant to pass to him right away. Yes a real honour for Han-Noah. To play for the U21 team of what is arguably the strongest footballing nation in the world over the last 20 odd years is something to be proud of. And well done to England on a very convincing victory 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorenzos Only Goal Posted March 25, 2023 Report Share Posted March 25, 2023 On 04/03/2023 at 11:41, Davefevs said: I love pernod, ouzo, that type of stuff. Once was not enough! Sambuca 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porto Red Posted March 25, 2023 Report Share Posted March 25, 2023 33 minutes ago, Lorenzos Only Goal said: Sambuca https://youtu.be/RiOxjFWMaDs (Disclaimer: can't even smell tequila after a teenage episode, you all know the drill) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted March 25, 2023 Report Share Posted March 25, 2023 2 hours ago, Percy Pig said: Sambuca, Raki and Ouzo have the same effect on me. Just a whiff and I'm gagging. As Elvis Costello put it in the Deportees Club "Now I wish that she was mine I could have been a king in 6/8 time – poor deportee Schnapps, Chianti, Porter and Ouzo Pernod Vodka, Sambuca, I love you so poor deportee" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted March 25, 2023 Report Share Posted March 25, 2023 (edited) Sambuca.. shudders.. unlimited drinks in Greece/Korea, one wiff and my insides turn upside down. Punish the porcelain. Edited March 25, 2023 by Marcus Aurelius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveF Posted March 26, 2023 Report Share Posted March 26, 2023 15 hours ago, ralphindevon said: Yes a real honour for Han-Noah. To play for the U21 team of what is arguably the strongest footballing nation in the world over the last 20 odd years is something to be proud of. And well done to England on a very convincing victory Indeed, shame he's leaving I rate him highly. Odd that some on here have written Bajic off already who is also in the squad. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorenzos Only Goal Posted March 26, 2023 Report Share Posted March 26, 2023 16 hours ago, Porto Red said: https://youtu.be/RiOxjFWMaDs (Disclaimer: can't even smell tequila after a teenage episode, you all know the drill) TEQUILA! Makes you happy, and feel alright. Tequila makes you wavey and puke all night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted March 26, 2023 Report Share Posted March 26, 2023 Knock knock Auxerre? Han Noah Han Noah who? Han Noah a former City player named Massengo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malago Posted March 26, 2023 Report Share Posted March 26, 2023 4 hours ago, DaveF said: Indeed, shame he's leaving I rate him highly. Odd that some on here have written Bajic off already who is also in the squad. The thing is if HNM was still here and playing OTC would probably not have been given his chance last Saturday. It’s quite possible that OTC will turn out to be the better of the two. Swings and Roundabouts really. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 26, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2023 13 minutes ago, Malago said: The thing is if HNM was still here and playing OTC would probably not have been given his chance last Saturday. It’s quite possible that OTC will turn out to be the better of the two. Swings and Roundabouts really. Ignoring age, because one is 21 and the other 19, but comparing at 19, I think there’s some recency bias going on in this thread. Han was a u19 international for a top nation, let’s not forget at the age OTC is now. As for now, Han is now in an u21 squad (sub) for a top nation. He is showing at Auxerre what he showed here (unfortunately inconsistently), and forced his way back into the international scene. Guessing OTC will start getting call ups for Wales age group at some point. Joe Low scored for Wales u21s today btw). 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted March 26, 2023 Report Share Posted March 26, 2023 14 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Ignoring age, because one is 21 and the other 19, but comparing at 19, I think there’s some recency bias going on in this thread. Han was a u19 international for a top nation, let’s not forget at the age OTC is now. As for now, Han is now in an u21 squad (sub) for a top nation. He is showing at Auxerre what he showed here (unfortunately inconsistently), and forced his way back into the international scene. Guessing OTC will start getting call ups for Wales age group at some point. Joe Low scored for Wales u21s today btw). In a nutshell HNM will occasionally have a very good game but for us he was nothing more than average overall. I wish him well in his career as he seems a nice enough lad so good luck to him, am i bothered he’s gone? Not one bit 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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