Pearson press conference

[Roger Red Hat]

4 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Surely any decent journalist will know that Pearson doesn't tolerate poor questions? 

Surely any decent journalist would absolutely relish the opportunity to interview someone like Pearson and would come suitably prepared? 

Anyone with half a brain knows that Pearson, if asked engaging questions will give very interesting and informative answers. 

I think the problem is that these journos just expect Pearson to do their job for them. 

Agree with all of that. A lot of of the 'journo's' are embarrassingly moronic. 

[AppyDAZE]

Nigel, um     What about the Pedestrianisation of Norwich city centre?

 

 

 

I'm dead against it.

Edited February 9, 2023 by AppyDAZE

[Rocking Red Cyril]

Yes having watch the pre Norwich presser with NP. The questions where bad all round. They seem to just asking to confirm things that any engaged supporter would already now. And NP did seem to getting more and pissed off with it as it went along 

[2015]

3 hours ago, Colombo Robin said:

He's paid very handsomely and doing the press rounds is part of the job. Like to think i'd show a bit more grace. 

I get asked dumb questions at work all the time! 

 

Oh so he can be a little abrupt and blunt at times, get over it. Ask better questions. The media and Football fans are not entitled to happy go larry responses all the time.

[firstdivision]

4 hours ago, Colombo Robin said:

He's paid very handsomely and doing the press rounds is part of the job. Like to think i'd show a bit more grace. 

I get asked dumb questions at work all the time! 

 

Also, however lame the questions are sometimes, he’s speaking to the fans in general. It’s played out for us to see. It’s his chance to play the ball not the man. You can turn any question you want into saying something worthwhile to get a message across. 

[extonsred]

It's not the questions...it's all about the answers and I for one yet again found NP's answers great..he's a clever bloke with good understanding of what is important for the men he manages....be it from the academy through to the most experiences. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[W-S-M Seagull]

4 hours ago, Roger Red Hat said:

Agree with all of that. A lot of of the 'journo's' are embarrassingly moronic. 

For these journos interviewing someone like Pearson with his vast experience is surely the highlight of their career? And yet here they are turning up and asking questions a 6 year old could ask. 

They just seem to be too entitled to put any effort into coming up with decent questions.

I might be a bit old fashioned but I'd expect a journo to stay up all night the night before doing their research and coming up with the best possible questions they could ask. After all, better answers to questions will generate more clicks. 

Just like that press conference where Pearson said he had considered retiring cos of refs. That made national press. Although on that occasion Nigel himself brought that to the table because of the ineptitude of the journos to ask. 

[Colombo Robin]

8 hours ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

So everyone, everywhere, doing every job, has to handle being asked dumbass questions the way you do? Yeah, because everyone's the same, right? Does everyone have the patience of a saint, like you Colombo? 

"Just one more thing"...

If Pearson's blind spot (he admitted last week "we all have them") is how he handles questions from piss poor journalists - ie brusquely - but in return he transforms our under performing club into a serious, fit for purpose outfit, I'll take that all day long. And the piss poor journalists will have to man up, as will those taking offence on their behalf. Boofekinhoo. 

You are all right. I've spent my life a big wokey softy. Time to toughen up. From now on I will boo any youth academy debutant who doesn't beat the first man from a corner. Its their job after all to take good corners. Oh no hang on, thats not allowed because they are, like the journalists posing poor questions, young and inexperienced. Big Nige told us to be patient with the young players. I guess i'll stay wokey then and keep quiet when the younguns underperform

[tin]

Two of the most important elements of being a journalist involve being able to actively listen, and having the ability to elicit answers out of people. Piercy is good at that, but the rest of them on our patch set a pretty low bar and these questions really scrape the barrel IMO. 

[Davefevs]

20 minutes ago, tin said:

Two of the most important elements of being a journalist involve being able to actively listen, and having the ability to elicit answers out of people. Piercy is good at that, but the rest of them on our patch set a pretty low bar and these questions really scrape the barrel IMO. 

And the third one is - know who you’re interviewing.

Thats not to say a journo has to tread on eggshells around Nige either, just because he has “form”.

He reminds me of my old RE / Careers teacher at school.  Very strict, you didn’t piss around in his lessons, you didn’t forget to do your homework or hand it in late, you had to have your shirt tucked in, tie tied properly (no peanuts!) and top button done up. Yet you did all those things with other teachers if you wanted to.  When I started work he was a customer, and he was very different, he’d basically created this strict aura around him at school which wasn’t him at all, but he wanted his pupils to learn, not just the subject but how to conduct themselves.

So it is fine to ask challenging questions, it is fine to stop him when he’s not answering the question you asked.  But Mickey Mouse Qs like we haven’t won in 11 v Norwich aren’t gonna cut it.

[mozo]

Nige clearly has made an effort to lighten the tone of his press conferences, probably because he knew/heard he was coming across as a bit of an arse. When he changed I started really enjoying listening to him.

Sorry if that offends the Thou Shalt Not Criticise Nige brigade though. 

 

[AshtonGreat]

16 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

And the third one is - know who you’re interviewing.

Thats not to say a journo has to tread on eggshells around Nige either, just because he has “form”.

He reminds me of my old RE / Careers teacher at school.  Very strict, you didn’t piss around in his lessons, you didn’t forget to do your homework or hand it in late, you had to have your shirt tucked in, tie tied properly (no peanuts!) and top button done up. Yet you did all those things with other teachers if you wanted to.  When I started work he was a customer, and he was very different, he’d basically created this strict aura around him at school which wasn’t him at all, but he wanted his pupils to learn, not just the subject but how to conduct themselves.

So it is fine to ask challenging questions, it is fine to stop him when he’s not answering the question you asked.  But Mickey Mouse Qs like we haven’t won in 11 v Norwich aren’t gonna cut it.

I suppose he was never gonna tell you to do your top button up as a customer

[Colombo Robin]

13 minutes ago, Percy Pig said:

"It's his job"-  said with sincerity

"It's their job"- said sarcastically 

 

I do enjoy it when people use an argument and then use the same argument to counter their own. Good stuff. 

 

I can explain the point im making more simply for you as you seem a bit lost...

One kid thrown in at the deepend trying to do their job: must be protected if they underperform. 

Another kid thrown in at the deep end trying to do their job: worthy of criticism if they underperform.

I'll leave it there

 

[Robbored]

I’ve just had chance to see Nige’s presser and as usual he dealt with the silly questions in a very blunt manner but with a smile on his face - that’s a very different reaction to when things weren’t going so well at City and GmG was one of the journalists. I recall that Nige was getting criticised on here because of the way he interacted with GmG.

Currently things are going pretty well and Nige is far more comfortable in pressers because of it. Had City been on a losing streak we would have seen a far more prickly Nige.

[tin]

59 minutes ago, Colombo Robin said:

I can explain the point im making more simply for you as you seem a bit lost...

One kid thrown in at the deepend trying to do their job: must be protected if they underperform. 

Another kid thrown in at the deep end trying to do their job: worthy of criticism if they underperform.

I'll leave it there

 

You do realise these “kids” would’ve probably got their degrees and passed their NCTJs? They will/should have had all the training they need to ask better questions than that.

If they’re not up to it, there’s a huge number of candidates queuing up to replace them, often for free or a pittance.

And from my experience, it’s highly unlikely you would give a work experience kid the microphone at a press conference unless they’d shown they could be trusted. If you ask stupid questions, you should be prepared for stupid answers IMO.

Edited February 10, 2023 by tin

[Ron W]

Journalists are the butt of a lot of jokes and I get it, it's natural, everyone does, including other journalists.

Some of the Qs towards the end of that press conference are pretty poor, as well. Especially coming straight after Rich Forrester (I think?) who always asks his questions with a bit of style, and you can tell Nigel has some time for him.

Watching it at home on YouTube, it looks like a piece of piss. But it really isn't and never has been. And it's worse in 2023 when young journos have barely any guidance because of more senior cut-backs, are thrust straight in at the deep end in front of managers who have made the best feel like shit at times. My first real shot of manager interviews was on work experience questioning SOD, and Jesus that was a steep learning curve. Very glad there weren't cameras there to record him snapping back at me.

This isn't to excuse what is sadly a dying industry at a local level, like I said some of the stuff Nigel and other managers are asked is bland or just not thought through. But I can also guarantee to the people who think they'd be just as confident with a mic in their hand, up against a seasoned manager like Nige, as they are on OTIB - in most cases, you really wouldn't.

Edited February 10, 2023 by Ron W

[ontariored]

Makes me doubt the hiring process for a presenter. Surely during the interview for a presenter's job they would get asked "you have 5 minutes to demonstrate to me that you have an intimate knowledge of football and a further 20 minutes that you know everything about Bristol City." There must be equal accountability with the hiring manager/ interviewer otherwise sack them.

[GrahamC]

28 minutes ago, Ron W said:

Journalists are the butt of a lot of jokes and I get it, it's natural, everyone does, including other journalists.

Some of the Qs towards the end of that press conference are pretty poor, as well. Especially coming straight after Rich Forrester (I think?) who always asks his questions with a bit of style, and you can tell Nigel has some time for him.

Watching it at home on YouTube, it looks like a piece of piss. But it really isn't and never has been. And it's worse in 2023 when young journos have barely any guidance because of more senior cut-backs, are thrust straight in at the deep end in front of managers who have made the best feel like shit at times. My first real shot of manager interviews was on work experience questioning SOD, and Jesus that was a steep learning curve. Very glad there weren't cameras there to record him snapping back at me.

This isn't to excuse what is sadly a dying industry at a local level, like I said some of the stuff Nigel and other managers are asked is bland or just not thought through. But I can also guarantee to the people who think they'd be just as confident with a mic in their hand, up against a seasoned manager like Nige, as they are on OTIB - in most cases, you really wouldn't.

Fair points but it is also fair to say the first two questioners (Hoskin & Forrester) good, last two (Jones, who is consistently terrible & AN Other) really very poor.

However nervous or inexperienced you are (& we’ve suffered listening to Jordan Jones for at least a year now) there’s no excuse for this.

FWIW I asked Nige a question when he, Tinnion & Gould did the Q&A at the Hen & Chicken not that long ago, so do appreciate what you’re saying but gave my question a lot of thought & also listened intently prior to make sure no one had already asked it..

[Ron W]

19 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

However nervous or inexperienced you are (& we’ve suffered listening to Jordan Jones for at least a year now) there’s no excuse for this.

All fair comment but on this line, I sort of agree and don't, from experience of getting a clipped ear when starting out. Without watching our pressers regularly I don't know much about those two guys to say whether they'll get better or not, but when you are a trainee journo you really don't have a clue what you're doing. You can train for a lot of things but interviewing experienced managers isn't really one of them.

You'd also hope the bar for Nigel snapping back at a fan would be quite a lot higher than for a journalist!

20 minutes ago, ontariored said:

Makes me doubt the hiring process for a presenter. Surely during the interview for a presenter's job they would get asked "you have 5 minutes to demonstrate to me that you have an intimate knowledge of football and a further 20 minutes that you know everything about Bristol City." There must be equal accountability with the hiring manager/ interviewer otherwise sack them.

For the amount of money junior reporters are on these days, you're not getting a huge number of Pat Murphys through the door.

Edited February 10, 2023 by Ron W

[REDOXO]

5 hours ago, mozo said:

Nige clearly has made an effort to lighten the tone of his press conferences, probably because he knew/heard he was coming across as a bit of an arse. When he changed I started really enjoying listening to him.

Sorry if that offends the Thou Shalt Not Criticise Nige brigade though. 

 

He has definitely become more tolerant of journalists. I’m still thinking there was more than met the eye with the now freelance/unemployed McGregor. 
 

Not sure if there is a brigade of thou shalt not criticize Niger’s and if there is I’m not sure they would object or be offended as the thrust (without the vitriol) of your first statement is true and most can see it! 

[Red from afar]

I'm just amazed that no-one has mentioned his 'There's always spanners around' comment near the start

[bcfc01]

23 minutes ago, Red from afar said:

I'm just amazed that no-one has mentioned his 'There's always spanners around' comment near the start

Yep, the double meaning of spanner seemed to put a smile on NPs face and a glint in his eye.

Akin to saying there's a lot of wanchors around...

[Ron W]

29 minutes ago, Percy Pig said:

Whatever happened to initiative and self development? 

Well that's all people have to rely on in a lot of industries these days. I completely disagree that it's gone out the window, quite the opposite. You hear of old-school mentors, leading by example and showing you the ropes, that doesn't happen much any more, certainly not in journalism. The profession is much worse for it.

Also - I'd be shocked if a manager of a club at this level replied personally to emails from journalists.

Edited February 10, 2023 by Ron W

[Davefevs]

3 hours ago, Percy Pig said:

Is it really that difficult to email/contact Nige and ask for some pointers? I'd do that without a shadow of a doubt. I'd be asking him what sorts of things he wants to talk about and framing my questions around that. Once that rapport is there then more challenging questions can easily be asked when needed.

Yep, I’d be contacting him to try and build a better rapport, find out the guide rails for the types of question he’ll answer.  That’s not to say you can’t ask what you want but if he shuts you down, then what’s the point.

it really doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realise what’s taboo and what isn’t.

[Numero Uno]

35 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Yep, I’d be contacting him to try and build a better rapport, find out the guide rails for the types of question he’ll answer.  That’s not to say you can’t ask what you want but if he shuts you down, then what’s the point.

it really doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realise what’s taboo and what isn’t.

Unfortunately the Welsh lad is closer to Space Cadet than Rocket Scientist…….

[Major Isewater]

10 hours ago, Davefevs said:

hats not to say a journo has to tread on ostrich eggshells around Nige either, just because he has “form”.

Just a small change to your post , with your permission.

[ExiledAjax]

5 minutes ago, Percy Pig said:

I bet Nige would prefer to help the lad get better than have to roll his eyes every week. 

He genuinely would. He's on record as supporting local journalism and considers it an important counterweight to in-house club produced PR.

[spudski]

8 minutes ago, Percy Pig said:

Just catch him after the presser and ask, politely for 30 seconds of his time. He seems like a decent enough bloke, so just do it. 

I bet Nige would prefer to help the lad get better than have to roll his eyes every week. 

Unfortunately, and not wanting to sound too much like Spudski here, the generation of graduates that I belong to lack the basic soft skills of how to communicate with superiors/dominant personalities. It's a lack of confidence/experience of just talking in a way that gets what you what you want. 

 

Crikey...why bring me into it?

Hello Nige...any chance you can spare BBSB a few minutes. 

No chance ..too freaking angry.

[eardun]

On 09/02/2023 at 19:00, GrahamC said:

Jordan Jones strikes again, stick to Cardiff, you utter embarrassment.

Mind you, the bloke after him was no better, who starts with a question about our historical record against Norwich?

Pearson has managed us once against them, what exactly is he supposed to say in reply?

Followed by ‘do you think it’s important to have a connection with the fans?’. What a waste of a question. Get that guy on Mastermind - specialist subject: the bleedin obvious. 

[Major Isewater]

2 hours ago, eardun said:

Followed by ‘do you think it’s important to have a connection with the fans?’. What a waste of a question. Get that guy on Mastermind - specialist subject: the bleedin obvious. 

Exactly, closed questions. Really schoolboy stuff.