Tinmans Love Child Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 (edited) I posted this link on another thread but having now watched the whole thing I thought others might be interested to see it so have started a thread. It's from Gary Neville's Overlap series of interviews on YouTube which by the way are all brilliant (especially Roy Keane, Scholes, Lampard and Gerrard). This is one year old but thought I'd share considering Scudamore has been name checked by our new CEO this week. He mentions his first ever game was the John Atyeo testimonial and that one of his first jobs in football was for the Bristol and District League (I played in Div 9 for RMC Wick back in the day!). But it's a great interview, no punches pulled by Neville, but PS comes across very well and if he is involved with City behind the scenes I think that can only be a good thing! Enjoy Edited February 23 by Tinmans Love Child 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 Why do you keep calling him Peter? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarksRobin Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 Isn't Peter Scudamore a jockey or racehorse owner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinmans Love Child Posted February 23 Author Report Share Posted February 23 6 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: Why do you keep calling him Peter? No reason other than a mental block, I'm sure you were able to work out which Scudamore I meant 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 3 minutes ago, Tinmans Love Child said: No reason other than a mental block, I'm sure you were able to work out which Scudamore I meant I did. Mainly because Neville called him Richard! Interesting post, thank you. He's got an interesting relationship with our club and has some...interesting views on football, not all of which I agree with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 3 hours ago, Tinmans Love Child said: No reason other than a mental block, I'm sure you were able to work out which Scudamore I meant My wife and I both do the same with Richard (Russell) Osman 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 21 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: My wife and I both do the same with Richard (Russell) Osman Pointless post 2 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 27 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Pointless post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stortfordred Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 53 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Pointless post Are you swayed by his brother? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 4 minutes ago, stortfordred said: Are you swayed by his brother? Sorry that’s too cryptic for me, you’re gonna have to explain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stortfordred Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: Sorry that’s too cryptic for me, you’re gonna have to explain. Mathew David Osman (born 9 October 1967) is an English musician and author, best known as the bassist in the rock band Suede 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Davey Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 5 hours ago, WarksRobin said: Isn't Peter Scudamore a jockey or racehorse owner? Champion jump jockey in the 1980's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 7 minutes ago, stortfordred said: Mathew David Osman (born 9 October 1967) is an English musician and author, best known as the bassist in the rock band Suede Sorry you wasted that on me…I had no idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stortfordred Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 3 hours ago, Davefevs said: Sorry you wasted that on me…I had no idea. Yes my man. The lesser known osmond (sic) brothers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Alligator Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 3 hours ago, Davefevs said: Sorry you wasted that on me…I had no idea. Don't worry Dave, I didn't know either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 53 minutes ago, stortfordred said: Yes my man. The lesser known osmond (sic) brothers Marie, Little Jimmy, Donny, Merrill, Russell, Richard and Matthew Sorted! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Tootle Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 I may have missed this in the past but I also heard it mentioned in the Phil Alexander interview - Can someone explain what Scudamore's role is? Is he a non executive director or does he just do some sort of freelance advisory role? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 1 hour ago, Tony Tootle said: I may have missed this in the past but I also heard it mentioned in the Phil Alexander interview - Can someone explain what Scudamore's role is? Is he a non executive director or does he just do some sort of freelance advisory role? We don’t know. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 Having listened to Scudamore, I am releived that he is no longer in the job. The further he is from this club, the better. 100% agree with Neville. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinmans Love Child Posted February 25 Author Report Share Posted February 25 9 hours ago, bcfc01 said: Having listened to Scudamore, I am releived that he is no longer in the job. The further he is from this club, the better. 100% agree with Neville. For me he talks complete business sense, it might not be what people want to hear, but he's right. The only thing I disagree with is the use of parachute payments, clubs should sort their contracts out in this respect should they go down, but apart from that he knows what he's talking about. I like Gary Neville but he doesn't understand economics and why just giving EFL clubs a slightly bigger slice won't do anything to address imbalances and could actually impact finances long term if Prem isn't the top league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 There was a really good interview with Scudamore on The Athletic podcast with Mark Chapman late last year where he admitted parachute payments were designed to keep relegated clubs strong so that they came straight back up thus maintaing the strength of the Premier League. We got a mention too ( it was the Monday after our awful performance at Birmingham). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 9 hours ago, bcfc01 said: Having listened to Scudamore, I am releived that he is no longer in the job. The further he is from this club, the better. 100% agree with Neville. See as much as I like him as a pundit, on the financial side of the game I find him yet another grasping club owner expecting hand outs. There’s a huge disparity between the EFL and EPL in terms of revenue generation but handing over yet more money to EFL clubs won’t change that, what it will do is create an even more unsustainable set of clubs, with inflated wages essentially subsidised by the anticipated continued success of the EPL. As we saw with the ITV collapse, EFL clubs are at risk because they max out their spending, so any downturn leaves them exposed - and there is always a risk. Id be far more open to it if there was a stipulation that x% has to be spent on facilities and/or community programmes 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 58 minutes ago, Barrs Court Red said: See as much as I like him as a pundit, on the financial side of the game I find him yet another grasping club owner expecting hand outs. There’s a huge disparity between the EFL and EPL in terms of revenue generation but handing over yet more money to EFL clubs won’t change that, what it will do is create an even more unsustainable set of clubs, with inflated wages essentially subsidised by the anticipated continued success of the EPL. As we saw with the ITV collapse, EFL clubs are at risk because they max out their spending, so any downturn leaves them exposed - and there is always a risk. Id be far more open to it if there was a stipulation that x% has to be spent on facilities and/or community programmes The whole point of the independent regulator is to prevent what you describe. Clubs will have to prove that they are financially sustainable. See the Fan Led Review thread where @ExiledAjaxgives an excellent analysis of the White Paper. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 1 hour ago, Sir Geoff said: There was a really good interview with Scudamore on The Athletic podcast with Mark Chapman late last year where he admitted parachute payments were designed to keep relegated clubs strong so that they came straight back up thus maintaing the strength of the Premier League. We got a mention too ( it was the Monday after our awful performance at Birmingham). The idea of almost deliberately keeping Watford, Burnley, Bournemouth etc at Prem Level over the likes of Derby, Sunderland, Sheff Wed is absolutely insane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 5 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: The idea of almost deliberately keeping Watford, Burnley, Bournemouth etc at Prem Level over the likes of Derby, Sunderland, Sheff Wed is absolutely insane Might be to you and I but not the money grabbing PL. And don't forget two of those clubs you mention stank the PL out when they were last in it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 2 hours ago, Barrs Court Red said: See as much as I like him as a pundit, on the financial side of the game I find him yet another grasping club owner expecting hand outs. There’s a huge disparity between the EFL and EPL in terms of revenue generation but handing over yet more money to EFL clubs won’t change that, what it will do is create an even more unsustainable set of clubs, with inflated wages essentially subsidised by the anticipated continued success of the EPL. As we saw with the ITV collapse, EFL clubs are at risk because they max out their spending, so any downturn leaves them exposed - and there is always a risk. Id be far more open to it if there was a stipulation that x% has to be spent on facilities and/or community programmes Tbh head of the EFL has said stronger financial reforms must go hand in hand with redistribution. Parry haa aais for over 2 years now that "Owner funding is great...until it isn't" so I think he's quite aware of the issues. There is always a risk of course, nothing in life is surely 100 pct risk free but some kind of escrow requirement- 2 or 3 years in advance to cover cash losses as part of a Business Plan (past, present and future looking) or perhaps a simple Licensing m requirement that clubs must through their own endeavours break even on a cash basis in order to comply, again past, present and future looking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 2 hours ago, Barrs Court Red said: Id be far more open to it if there was a stipulation that x% has to be spent on facilities and/or community programmes It's a good idea, and I agree it would likely help to prevent the issue of more money simply strengthening the negative feedback loop of inflating wages and fees, and so more money is needed. However, my preferred solution is to change how clubs earn their money rather than how they spend it. I believe that incentivising positive management will work better than dictating how these businesses spend their money. If we can link league handouts to desirable things then that will yield better results than forcing directors to spend in a certain way. Invest in your disability team - get a payment. Increase fan engagement - get a payment. Improve your governance and transparency - get a payment. If we diversify the metrics by which clubs are measured and financially rewarded then we incentivise broader investment. It no longer becomes all about league position, and so no longer becomes all about paying the higher wages in order to secure the best players. In doing this we link rather than separate competition and sustainable business practice. This is the philosophy behind Fair Game's Sustainability Index. https://www.fairgameuk.org/sustainability-index And @chinapig is correct - change is coming and hopefully it will have an impact. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 3 hours ago, Tinmans Love Child said: For me he talks complete business sense, it might not be what people want to hear, but he's right. The only thing I disagree with is the use of parachute payments, clubs should sort their contracts out in this respect should they go down, but apart from that he knows what he's talking about. I like Gary Neville but he doesn't understand economics and why just giving EFL clubs a slightly bigger slice won't do anything to address imbalances and could actually impact finances long term if Prem isn't the top league I agree. I should have said that I agree with most of what Neville says. And I agree that Scudamore talks good business sense, but that is at the expense of the wider game imo. He's a money man, loves the stuff and, for me, thats all there is to him. 3 hours ago, Barrs Court Red said: See as much as I like him as a pundit, on the financial side of the game I find him yet another grasping club owner expecting hand outs. There’s a huge disparity between the EFL and EPL in terms of revenue generation but handing over yet more money to EFL clubs won’t change that, what it will do is create an even more unsustainable set of clubs, with inflated wages essentially subsidised by the anticipated continued success of the EPL. As we saw with the ITV collapse, EFL clubs are at risk because they max out their spending, so any downturn leaves them exposed - and there is always a risk. Id be far more open to it if there was a stipulation that x% has to be spent on facilities and/or community programmes Again, I agree - especially the last sentence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 5 Report Share Posted March 5 (edited) The bit about Scudamore has since been picked up by the Times now. Ziegler in yesterday's column mentions his advisory role here- hopefully it's all on the level given director rules, disclosure etc. Then again we don't do regulatory breaches so I'm sure it is. Edited March 5 by Mr Popodopolous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 5 Report Share Posted March 5 I doubt this is anything to be even fractionally worried about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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