O'Neills - New Kit Supplier (Confirmed)

[David Brent]

2 minutes ago, Leveller said:

I don’t really see why we need it, but similarly don’t understand what people have against it. It’s quite a good image in itself.

On its own, it’s fine. But it’s been plastered all over the kit and HPC when we already have a new and perfectly fine Robin. 

There was just no call or need for it. I’m more baffled than upset. 

Edited July 27, 2023 by David Brent

[RedRock]

To save the ‘design team’ trouble… here’s a compromise that could be quick and look smart.

Use our home shirt design template with the standard badge. Substitute the red with white, and the white stripes with your blue. If you must, put splat on the back as a small motif below the collar - although the outline of the Suspension Bridge would be better (how many Robins does one need on a shirt?). 

Exercise some quality control on the shirt materials, fit and finish.

There we go. That’ll be £100,000 please.

[BasSavage88]

Are they any examples of any other clubs disregarding their badge and using a random stock image across everything?

[Major Isewater]

‘Splat , a ah,

not liked by anyone of us.’

Guess the song. 

[SecretSam]

31 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

I struggle to understand why anybody cares, but I guess image is more important to some than others.

In which case, let's play in blue and white quarters, because image isn't important

[ChippenhamRed]

I don’t mind a blue away kit, especially if it’s nothing like Rovers blue.

What I mind is everything else being blue INSTEAD of red when there’s no reason for it. That’s needless and weird dilution of our identity and our brand.

It’s bizarre from a marketing perspective, doesn’t represent the club, and alienates the fanbase who value our identity - all without any upsides. Combined with the splat and the dreadful quality, it’s a shitshow all round.

I’d love someone to explain it.

[Eddie Notgetinya]

It looks fine on the back of shirts. I don’t mind it on the front but one thing I am sure about is the round badge on the back of shirts look awful - this is way more offensive 

[LondonBristolian]

5 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

‘Splat , a ah,

not liked by anyone of us.’

Guess the song. 

Bright Eyes? 

[ChippenhamRed]

42 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

I struggle to understand why anybody cares, but I guess image is more important to some than others.

Because part of supporting a football club is cherishing its unique identity and wanting it to be respected. It’s wanting the club represented in a way we can be proud of, that looks professional, presents us in the best possible light, in a way that can draw in new supporters.

Why do any of us buy City clothing or merchandise? Because we want to associate ourselves with a club we are proud of. But look at the state of the new range.

Introducing another new logo without any consultation, which in many cases is replacing the club crest (even on the shirt), is diluting our brand and our identity. That in itself is bad enough, but when it’s such a crass stock image, all it does is make us look amateur. It isn’t something we can be proud of.

If image matters so little, would you be happy to see us playing in a blue home kit? That’s a more extreme example, but the principle is the same; it’s a lack of respect for the identity of the club.

Edited July 27, 2023 by ChippenhamRed

[Red Skin]

58 minutes ago, SecretSam said:

Alive or dead?

I think the live option is different forum  

[W-S-M Seagull]

20 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said:

I don’t mind a blue away kit, especially if it’s nothing like Rovers blue.

What I mind is everything else being blue INSTEAD of red when there’s no reason for it. That’s needless and weird dilution of our identity and our brand.

It’s bizarre from a marketing perspective, doesn’t represent the club, and alienates the fanbase who value our identity - all without any upsides. Combined with the splat and the dreadful quality, it’s a shitshow all round.

I’d love someone to explain it.

It does feel like we are a club that is confused about its identity right now and that's never good for a brand.

[BS3 Ark at Ee]

Wish someone from the club would just come out and explain what the new logo is all about. As always when there’s controversy, unrest etc The club hierarchy go quiet and are nowhere to be seen 

[ChippenhamRed]

Just now, W-S-M Seagull said:

It does feel like we are a club that is confused about its identity right now and that's never good for a brand.

It does, and it’s a very odd backwards step having established what I thought was a strong, modern brand with the new crest a few years ago. That was generally well received. This tinkering wasn’t needed and no one was asking for it - it’s achieved nothing other than to alienate the fans and, most likely, reduce merchandise income. Bizarre.

[ExiledAjax]

2 minutes ago, BS3 Ark at Ee said:

Wish someone from the club would just come out and explain what the new logo is all about. As always when there’s controversy, unrest etc The club hierarchy go quiet and are nowhere to be seen 

The Club believe that the highlighted part of this announcement from June is sufficient explanation. In my opinion it is horseshit.

[Port Said Red]

29 minutes ago, SecretSam said:

In which case, let's play in blue and white quarters, because image isn't important

Yes, because having a different kind of robin image is exactly playing in blue and white. You argue like my 6 year old grand daughter...

[Cornacix the Druid]

32 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

‘Splat , a ah,

not liked by anyone of us.’

Guess the song. 

FLASH!!!!  ah, ahhhhhhh.

I thought that too.

'ashton's alive" ????

 

[Port Said Red]

22 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said:

Because part of supporting a football club is cherishing its unique identity and wanting it to be respected. It’s wanting the club represented in a way we can be proud of, that looks professional, presents us in the best possible light, in a way that can draw in new supporters.

Why do any of us buy City clothing or merchandise? Because we want to associate ourselves with a club we are proud of. But look at the state of the new range.

Introducing another new logo without any consultation, which in many cases is replacing the club crest (even on the shirt), is diluting our brand and our identity. That in itself is bad enough, but when it’s such a crass stock image, all it does is make us look amateur. It isn’t something we can be proud of.

If image matters so little, would you be happy to see us playing in a blue home kit? That’s a more extreme example, but the principle is the same; it’s a lack of respect for the identity of the club.

It's a Robin, we are called "The Robins", how does that equate to changing to blue? I wonder how many fans of other clubs have logo's that 100% of their fans like or care about? Things change, people either like it, they don't or in my case don't really care.

[B1ackbird]

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

 

I still have my “Bristol City Are Magic” scarf from 1978!

We all agree.....

[Kid in the Riot]

7 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said:

It does, and it’s a very odd backwards step having established what I thought was a strong, modern brand with the new crest a few years ago. That was generally well received.

It was. At the time I thought the new badge was ok - nothing more. But over time I've come to appreciate that it is one of the worst badges in the entire football league. 

I recall FourFourTwo ranked it about 80th a couple of years back, and I thought that was quite generous.

Anyway, that's the least of our concerns at the moment. But I feel like the branding side of things has been crap for a long time when you look at the new badge, and some of the bizarre training/coaching gear we've been churning out for some years.

[Eddie Notgetinya]

35 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

It does feel like we are a club that is confused about its identity right now and that's never good for a brand.

Most people are these days 

[ChippenhamRed]

53 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

It's a Robin, we are called "The Robins", how does that equate to changing to blue? I wonder how many fans of other clubs have logo's that 100% of their fans like or care about? Things change, people either like it, they don't or in my case don't really care.

I didn’t say it “equates” to changing to blue, I was talking about the principle and very clearly stated that it’s a more extreme example. You asked why image matters and I don’t think my post could have answered your question more clearly.

A better question would be “I wonder how many fans of other clubs have seen their club introduce a new logo derived entirely from a stock image, that has then been introduced onto a kit to replace the club crest, without any consultation or consideration for supporter opinion?”

[Port Said Red]

31 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said:

I didn’t say it “equates” to changing to blue, I was talking about the principle and very clearly stated that it’s a more extreme example. You asked why image matters and I don’t think my post could have answered your question more clearly.

A better question would be “I wonder how many fans of other clubs have seen their club introduce a new logo derived entirely from a stock image, that has then been introduced onto a kit to replace the club crest, without any consultation or consideration for supporter opinion?”

I was replying to the specific post that was talking about the "Splat Robin", now that has been incorporated into the O'Neills thread, it looks like I am commenting on the whole kit. I appreciate that some people don't like certain designs. kits etc, but as I say no one will ever design any of these things with universal appeal. To me it seems that some feel the need to make a mountain out of a molehill just to have a go at the club, or specific individuals within the club set up.

[And Its Smith]

How so many people can care about a training kit is beyond me! Nobody can change my mind that grown men in football kits look ridiculous especially if they are fat 

[ChippenhamRed]

58 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

I was replying to the specific post that was talking about the "Splat Robin", now that has been incorporated into the O'Neills thread, it looks like I am commenting on the whole kit. I appreciate that some people don't like certain designs. kits etc, but as I say no one will ever design any of these things with universal appeal. To me it seems that some feel the need to make a mountain out of a molehill just to have a go at the club, or specific individuals within the club set up.

Designs are always subjective. But the splat Robin is pretty much universally hated. And the consensus view on the quality and designs of the merchandise range are almost all unanimously negative too.

When you’re getting it so wrong, it brings into question decision making at the club and it’s suggests they don’t know their customers; it’s symptomatic of a bigger issue. I think that’s why it is a source of continued conversation. We want to see a club being run well.

[Norn Iron]

3 hours ago, Major Isewater said:

‘Splat , a ah,

not liked by anyone of us.’

Guess the song. 

Somebody already gave the answer. Blast.

But can Splat save the earth in 14 hours?

[SecretSam]

3 hours ago, Port Said Red said:

Yes, because having a different kind of robin image is exactly playing in blue and white. You argue like my 6 year old grand daughter...

OK, grumpy Grandad, calm down, mind your blood pressure

[Port Said Red]

13 minutes ago, SecretSam said:

OK, grumpy Grandad, calm down, mind your blood pressure

It's Pop's to you, but thank you for roving my point.  

[James54De]

In reality, I quite like the round ‘city’ logo taken from the old match day programme. I think it could work well with our actual robin badge.

I also do not think the home kit design is awful. It may look a tad cheap, but if pulled together a little tighter (for want of a better word), it could have looked classy. Away kit, again, is not a bad design. Match the colours up and stick a green club badge on, it may have been a popular kit.

A blue away kit would not been a problem. It would be different for us and could be a popular kit. 

What I don’t understand is the new/retro robin being used. It does not tie into our main badge in shape nor vibe. The round ‘city’ badge (of the old programme) I could see being used on a special edition kit. It certainly would not look bad.

Another problem is that it seems our primary training colour is now sky blue. Why?

Now put that odd robin on the blue training kit: dastardly. 

[David Brent]

2 hours ago, And Its Smith said:

How so many people can care about a training kit is beyond me! Nobody can change my mind that grown men in football kits look ridiculous especially if they are fat 

Nobody is trying to change your mind

[W-S-M Seagull]

The Bears training gear actually looks decent and is consistent with their branding.

Something at the football club has gone very very wrong and it needs fixing ASAP. The communication has been non existent and that bothers me just as much as the poor range.