stortfordred Posted March 7, 2023 Report Share Posted March 7, 2023 2 hours ago, E.G.Red said: On their fans forum they see Wilder as a Nigel Pearson figure. To firefight and steady the ship yes the outward trip to Calais was steady; fire under control and sea calm. But on the way back, the fire got Wilder and the sea got Wilder and the directors got Wilder. By the time the ship docked, it had all gone Pozzi and Wilder was toast, soggy toast. They were only gone three hours. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted March 8, 2023 Report Share Posted March 8, 2023 5 hours ago, Daniro said: Has he still got anything to do with the club? Nah, he was sacked ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted March 8, 2023 Report Share Posted March 8, 2023 My 3rd ITK in about 7 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted March 8, 2023 Report Share Posted March 8, 2023 Wilder is Watford's 18th manager since July 2012. That's the same as West Ham have had it in their entire history! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 8, 2023 Report Share Posted March 8, 2023 8 hours ago, Marcus Aurelius said: My 3rd ITK in about 7 years Is that ITK or just a random event generator? Or in Watford’s case, business as usual? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Alligator Posted March 8, 2023 Report Share Posted March 8, 2023 3 hours ago, downendcity said: Wilder is Watford's 18th manager since July 2012. That's the same as West Ham have had it in their entire history! That puts things in perspective, doesn't it? What a crazy set up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 8, 2023 Report Share Posted March 8, 2023 (edited) 16 hours ago, Street red said: S**t Owners.. They were good owners up to a point. Promotion, the multi club model (how I hate that however), several years of PL, a Cup final and semi final and some quite good football under Silva, Gracia, arguably Flores and certainly in their promotion campaigns. NP too. However they have sacked managers too soon. I would say to varying levels from first to last: 1) Flores first spell arguably. 2) Silva arguably, although links with Everton helped destabilise. 3) Gracia- firstly kept them up, first full year was close to top half, Cup final. Sacked after 3 or 4 games the next season- after being backed in the market? 4) NP. He may have kept them up although with the run-in perhaps not. He would have taken them back up and seen them re-emerge stronger however. 5) Sacking the guy who got promoted 7 or 8 games into the PL season- Munoz- after a point a game, it seems harsh. However Watford did it anyway. 6) Edwards- They spoke well of backing him last year, they did not. He is now above them with Luton. Edited March 8, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 8, 2023 Report Share Posted March 8, 2023 (edited) I do wonder if they could be looking at a bit of a squeeze if they don't go back up. Hence the desperation with this move. It would be their final year of Parachute money and their FFP adjusted loss limit would drop from £72m to £61m. The 2nd year of Parachute Payments is also about £10m lower iirc- perhaps a bit more. Posting losses for some years now though perhaps their PL season last year will show a profit. Their recent dice rolling deserves to catch up with them. Edited March 8, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorenzos Only Goal Posted March 8, 2023 Report Share Posted March 8, 2023 23 hours ago, Silvio Dante said: I think that’s a finite position. So much change and spinning the wheel so often will invariably lead to spinning out eventually I think you're right, they're dependent of suckling the premier league cash nipple. Fail to get back over 3 seasons and they are in a whole world of pain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorenzos Only Goal Posted March 8, 2023 Report Share Posted March 8, 2023 3 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: I do wonder if they could be looking at a bit of a squeeze if they don't go back up. Hence the desperation with this move. It would be their final year of Parachute money and their FFP adjusted loss limit would drop from £72m to £61m. The 2nd year of Parachute Payments is also about £10m lower iirc- perhaps a bit more. Posting losses for some years now though perhaps their PL season last year will show a profit. Their recent dice rolling deserves to catch up with them. Exactly this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 13 hours ago, Lorenzos Only Goal said: I think you're right, they're dependent of suckling the premier league cash nipple. Fail to get back over 3 seasons and they are in a whole world of pain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coach Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 Has Wilder gone yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorenzos Only Goal Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 1 hour ago, The Coach said: Has Wilder gone yet? Next Tuesday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvey86 Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 Scott Parker (and his fantastic cardigan) have been sacked from Club Brugge as well - 12 games apparently. Was a pretty weird appointment from the start though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 4 hours ago, Harvey86 said: Scott Parker (and his fantastic cardigan) have been sacked from Club Brugge as well - 12 games apparently. Was a pretty weird appointment from the start though In one year he has been sacked by two clubs, in two different countries! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, PHILINFRANCE said: In one year he has been sacked by two clubs, in two different countries! What are the odds on Parker at Watford before the end of next season? Can’t be much. If you look carefully I think he’s the one in the blue cardigan: (and yes I know I pasted this clip earlier in this thread but it’s just seems so appropriate!) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 https://www.watfordfc.com/news/club-statement-hassane-kamara https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/efl-watford-transfer-hassane-kamara-udinese-2198188 Wonder if anything will come of this...it's a very suspect deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 8 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: https://www.watfordfc.com/news/club-statement-hassane-kamara https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/efl-watford-transfer-hassane-kamara-udinese-2198188 Wonder if anything will come of this...it's a very suspect deal. A bit harsh, surely. To buy a player at a bargain price of £3M, sell him a few months later for £17M and then loan him back seems excellent business to me. For goodness sake, we got young Alex Scott for absolutely nothing, £0, and there are suggestions that we might sell him to Newcastle for £25M plus and loan him back for a season. Are the EFL going to investigate? Leave poor Watford alone! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 Just wrong. Full stop! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 30 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: https://www.watfordfc.com/news/club-statement-hassane-kamara https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/efl-watford-transfer-hassane-kamara-udinese-2198188 Wonder if anything will come of this...it's a very suspect deal. It’s clearly a ruse. Basically using a club in one country to bale out the financial issues of a club in another country owned by the same people. The fact that he has then be loaned back to Watford makes it even more ridiculous. I would like to think that the EFL, FA & UEFA would throw the book at them, but we all know that won’t happen. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 5 minutes ago, Dr Balls said: It’s clearly a ruse. Basically using a club in one country to bale out the financial issues of a club in another country owned by the same people. The fact that he has then be loaned back to Watford makes it even more ridiculous. I would like to think that the EFL, FA & UEFA would throw the book at them, but we all know that won’t happen. Yeah agreed. It sort of can cut both ways too- I maintain Pererya and Deulofeu were worth more than they went to Udinese for, certainly for the pair. Cheating on both sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 43 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Yeah agreed. It sort of can cut both ways too- I maintain Pererya and Deulofeu were worth more than they went to Udinese for, certainly for the pair. Cheating on both sides. I know there are other groups which own more than one club and will loan players between them, but it’s the selling of players between clubs that is just a way of transferring funds surreptitiously between jurisdictions. How can the valuations be at a true market level when they are basically buying and selling from themselves? They can inflate or deflate the price however it suits them. That can’t possibly be ethical. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 (edited) I suppose the one slam dunk defence for Watford would be it it doesn't impact on the profit and loss at all. I don't see how it could be the case but if it was truly to do with cash flow as their statement in August claimed then that wouldn't impact upon their Profit and Loss account- the starting point for FFP. Problem is the hugr mark up- had it been at book value, no gain or loss on disposal in the Profit and Loss well...but purchased £3.6m, sold £16.9m, it has to have turned a big profit? Purely cash flow I don't care but... Edited March 9, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: Just wrong. Full stop! Well, of course it is. My post was (intended to be) totally facetious, and the AS comparison was tongue in cheek. The Notts Forest situation with their Greek owner, or even Hull with their newish Turk owner are similar. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: I suppose the one slam dunk defence for Watford would be it it doesn't impact on the profit and loss at all. I don't see how it could be the case but if it was truly to do with cash flow as their statement in August claimed then that wouldn't impact upon their Profit and Loss account- the starting point for FFP. Problem is the hugr mark up- had it been at book value, no gain or loss ob disposal in the Profit and Loss well...but purchased £3.6m, sold £16.9m, it has to have turned a big profit? I’m not the money man like you but to me that looks like a nominal £13.3m profit which I am sure would be helping Watford for FFP, especially if they don’t get promoted and the parachute payments are cut for next season. Imagine if we could have sold Semenyo to a club also owned by the Lansdowns elsewhere in Europe and he never moved because he was straightaway loaned back to us. Not only does it help the finances of the club at a particular point without being counted as direct investment, it also benefits the football team at the same time. I thought parachute payments were bad enough but at least those are above board. This is just underhand. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Dr Balls said: I’m not the money man like you but to me that looks like a nominal £13.3m profit which I am sure would be helping Watford for FFP, especially if they don’t get promoted and the parachute payments are cut for next season. Imagine if we could have sold Semenyo to a club also owned by the Lansdowns elsewhere in Europe and he never moved because he was straightaway loaned back to us. Not only does it help the finances of the club at a particular point without being counted as direct investment, it also benefits the football team at the same time. I thought parachute payments were bad enough but at least those are above board. This is just underhand. Oh I completely agree. I'm sure it's a profit on disposal, their initial argument was about cash flow though which looked odd at the time and still looks odd. Ideally that profit should be disregard entirely for FFP but the Fair Value tests...how the hell that works for player transfers who knows. It helps them to comply with FFP numerically potentially and frees up FFP headroom ie wages, amortisation and or agents/signing on fees or whatever with the profit- i wonder if the loan back was the final straw for the League. Talk about cake and eat it!! Edited March 9, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 I'm looking for a new job and only live down the road. Maybe I should punt in my CV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 13 hours ago, SecretSam said: I'm looking for a new job and only live down the road. Maybe I should punt in my CV. You should but it will be a couple of weeks before the next round of interviews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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