"His Arm is an Unnatural Position"

[Port Said Red]

Unless you are Man Utd at Old Trafford apparently. 

[Ronnie Sinclair]

Mitrovic what a plonker 

[Port Said Red]

1 minute ago, Ronnie Sinclair said:

Mitrovic what a plonker 

Referee is lucky he didn't put more on him.

[LondonBristolian]

What a ridiculous five minutes of football. 

[Super]

Absolutely crazy

[Hello Dave]

4 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

Unless you are Man Utd at Old Trafford apparently. 

I can’t stand United, but, are you seriously trying to say it wasn’t handball?

[Rossi the Robin]

IMO shouldn’t have been sent off— defo a pen though 

Edited March 19, 2023 by Rossi the Robin

[Port Said Red]

Just now, Hello Dave said:

I can’t stand United, but, are you seriously trying to say it wasn’t handball?

If the ball hadn't hit his arm it would have hit his body.

[Hello Dave]

3 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

If the ball hadn't hit his arm it would have hit his body.

But it did hit his hand, so it’s handball!

[LondonBristolian]

5 minutes ago, Rossi the Robin said:

IMO shouldn’t have been sent off— defo a pen though 

The problem is, as soon as it's a pen, it has to be a red card as it's denying a goalscoring opportunity. As soon as someone uses their hand to block a shot on the line, the referee doesn't have much of a choice. 

[Port Said Red]

2 minutes ago, Hello Dave said:

But it did hit his hand, so it’s handball!

Not what the rules say, it say's your arm has to be in an unnatural position.

[Hello Dave]

3 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

Not what the rules say, it say's your arm has to be in an unnatural position.

He’s moved his hand towards the ball, he knows exactly what he’s doing. Most defenders would do the same mind!

[maxjak]

How lucky are Man U?  They are being outplayed, and then the opposition self destruct..........Just hope Brighton stuff them in the Semi's, really would like to see  ....   Webster in the Final   

[Maltshoveller]

15 minutes ago, Ronnie Sinclair said:

Mitrovic what a plonker 

Mitrovic touches the ref =Red Card which is the correct outcome

Man Utd V Liverpool game Bruno pushes the linesman = Nothing

Spinless refs v the big clubs

[LondonBristolian]

4 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

Not what the rules say, it say's your arm has to be in an unnatural position.

My viewing was that he was very clearly trying to use his arm to block the ball. 

[Maltshoveller]

Nice to see Bruno turn up again when all is going well

Biggest C### in football (and that takes some doing)

[Port Said Red]

Praising Fernandez for scoring against 9 men now, how wonderful was he against Liverpool only two weeks ago?

[Sweeneys Penalties]

Well that burst into life quickly

[WECANDO]

21 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

Referee is lucky he didn't put more on him.

If he did he should spend a few months in prison. Big headed lump. The referee was right in everything he did.

[The Gasbuster]

25 minutes ago, Ronnie Sinclair said:

Mitrovic what a plonker 

Agreed.

His manager is hardly in any position to discipline him though.

Fulham owners must be incandescent 

[bcfc01]

Not sure how anyone could say it wasn't a penalty, its obvious.

Also, if the ref gives the penalty, the player has to have a red card for stopping a goal scoring opportunity, thats pretty obvious as well.

As for Mitrovic, he's just a **** who's cost them the game.

[Maltshoveller]

3 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

Not sure how anyone could say it wasn't a penalty, its obvious.

Also, if the ref gives the penalty, the player has to have a red card for stopping a goal scoring opportunity, thats pretty obvious as well.

As for Mitrovic, he's just a **** who's cost them the game.

This is where the rule is wrong

Sent off for stopping a goal scoring opportunity BUT they are given a penalty so still have that opportunity

 

[bcfc01]

1 minute ago, Maltshoveller said:

This is where the rule is wrong

Sent off for stopping a goal scoring opportunity BUT they are given a penalty so still have that opportunity

 

Which they might miss.

If the red card rule wasn't in place you'd have loads of hand balls on the line with players knowing they can stop a certain goal with no punishment and the keeper may save a penalty.

Red card every time.

[Tom]

Mitrovic when Willian got the red card: 

 

[Northern Red]

My main question would be why the ref needed VAR to tell him it was handball, one of the more obvious ones you'll see.

Always going to be red in that situation and then Mitrovic's head went, I suspect partly because he knew they should have been out of sight by that point.

[bcfcredandwhite]

I thought that todays rules were if it hits your hand in the box it’s a penalty - whether you have your hand out or not - you could have your back to the ball and it hits your hand it’s still a pen. 
The old ‘ball to hand’ rule no longer exists. 
A red card is for when the referee thinks it was deliberate. 
If it’s accidental then it’s just unfortunate - it’s still a penalty- but at least you won’t get sent off!!!

Thats my understanding anyway - I might be wrong…..

[Maltshoveller]

4 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

Which they might miss.

If the red card rule wasn't in place you'd have loads of hand balls on the line with players knowing they can stop a certain goal with no punishment and the keeper may save a penalty.

Red card every time.

Yes they might miss it but it is still an opportunity

For me it is a penalty but should only be yellow

[handsofclay]

4 minutes ago, Maltshoveller said:

This is where the rule is wrong

Sent off for stopping a goal scoring opportunity BUT they are given a penalty so still have that opportunity

 

It was more than a goalscoring opportunity had he not deliberately handballed it it would've been a goal. It's all very well saying that by awarding a penalty it has provided another goalscoring opportunity but that opportunity could be missed, thus if players aren't sent off for preventing a goal by foul means it would encourage all players to become second goalkeepers if the official keeper is beaten in the hope that the resultant penalty would be missed.

[Midred]

Doesn't this rule apply in our matches?

John Terry used to be waving his arms about but luckily never got penalised!

[handsofclay]

I have personal experience of this as in our over 50s hybrid of Walking Football just a few weeks ago I had a shot that was going in the top corner and had beaten the keeper all ends up. A defender then dived with his arm outstretched and saved it with his hand on the line. 

Of course, in our football, we cannot go sending players off who have paid to play. So no other punitive measures bar a penalty was awarded which a teammate then walloped against the post and it was cleared. We lost 2-1 but we had a certain goal prevented by foul means and were given a goalscoring opportunity, which was missed, and nothing else in response. 

The guilty party seemed to be embarrassed by what he had done as he is fairly new to our group and hopefully it won't happen again, but if it does we will have to entertain the unpalatable prospect of sending off players who have paid like everyone else to play who deliberately stop certain goals by foul means as otherwise it might become the norm.