Super Posted March 24, 2023 Report Share Posted March 24, 2023 I know HK has the record but if you could pick one in their prime who would it be? Name Goals Caps Years Harry Kane 54 81 2015 - present Wayne Rooney 53 120 2003 - 2018 Bobby Charlton 49 106 1958 - 1970 Gary Lineker 48 80 1984 - 1992 Jimmy Greaves 44 57 1959 - 1967 Michael Owen 40 89 1998 - 2008 Nat Lofthouse 30 33 1950 - 1958 Alan Shearer 30 63 1992 - 2000 Tom Finney 30 76 1946 - 1958 Vivian Woodward 29 23 1903 - 1911 Frank Lampard 29 106 1999 - 2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted March 24, 2023 Report Share Posted March 24, 2023 Jimmy greaves is pretty impressive. 44 in 57. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handsofclay Posted March 24, 2023 Report Share Posted March 24, 2023 Steve Bloomer who doesn't quite make the list with 28 goals from 23 matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted March 24, 2023 Report Share Posted March 24, 2023 Bobby Charlton 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enclosure Old Timer Posted March 24, 2023 Report Share Posted March 24, 2023 John Atyeo, 5 in 6 . 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hollydog Posted March 24, 2023 Report Share Posted March 24, 2023 10 minutes ago, Enclosure Old Timer said: John Atyeo, 5 in 6 . Definitely- much better goals/games ratio! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Taylor is GOD Posted March 24, 2023 Report Share Posted March 24, 2023 Not a fair comparison table IMO. More penalties given these days - and when they were, defenders used to take some of them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted March 24, 2023 Report Share Posted March 24, 2023 Jimmy Greaves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 24, 2023 Report Share Posted March 24, 2023 21 minutes ago, The Bard said: Bobby Charlton Me too. Bloody great player, and although nobody disputes he was great, I’m not sure how many put him ahead of Moore or Hurst because of the 66 Final. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted March 24, 2023 Report Share Posted March 24, 2023 Michael Owen for me, Rooney and Kane are very close behind (I’m too young for Lineker and beyond). Owen had something I’ve never seen anyone else in an England shirt do. Frightening pace, running in behind off the last man, tricky dribbler and a finisher. Rooney was close but between injuries and discipline his prime years were a bit of a disappointment, he never went to a tournament in full fitness after 04 and then later on he changed his style. Kane is world class in my opinion, but I can’t help but wonder what this team would look like with an Owen type player up front. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted March 24, 2023 Report Share Posted March 24, 2023 Half of them are before my time but in his prime (which only lasted about 3 years) Owen was the most exciting for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinmans Love Child Posted March 24, 2023 Report Share Posted March 24, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Super said: I know HK has the record but if you could pick one in their prime who would it be? Name Goals Caps Years Harry Kane 54 81 2015 - present Wayne Rooney 53 120 2003 - 2018 Bobby Charlton 49 106 1958 - 1970 Gary Lineker 48 80 1984 - 1992 Jimmy Greaves 44 57 1959 - 1967 Michael Owen 40 89 1998 - 2008 Nat Lofthouse 30 33 1950 - 1958 Alan Shearer 30 63 1992 - 2000 Tom Finney 30 76 1946 - 1958 Vivian Woodward 29 23 1903 - 1911 Frank Lampard 29 106 1999 - 2014 If Owen would have stayed fit he would have beaten the record (49 at that time) I think, he was unreal when he came on the scene, another qualifying campaign and tournament would have seen him very close. He was done with England by the age of 28 and scored his last England goal in 2007 age 27! https://www.englandstats.com/player.php?pid=1086 Edited March 24, 2023 by Tinmans Love Child Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBW Posted March 24, 2023 Report Share Posted March 24, 2023 Like to see this list without penalties. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEd73 Posted March 24, 2023 Report Share Posted March 24, 2023 Jimmy Greaves. Without hesitation 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltshoveller Posted March 24, 2023 Report Share Posted March 24, 2023 If any one had seen all those play My money would be on them saying Greaves and Charlton For me Shearer and Lineker 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxy27 Posted March 24, 2023 Report Share Posted March 24, 2023 14 minutes ago, MarcusX said: Michael Owen for me, Rooney and Kane are very close behind (I’m too young for Lineker and beyond). Owen had something I’ve never seen anyone else in an England shirt do. Frightening pace, running in behind off the last man, tricky dribbler and a finisher. Rooney was close but between injuries and discipline his prime years were a bit of a disappointment, he never went to a tournament in full fitness after 04 and then later on he changed his style. Kane is world class in my opinion, but I can’t help but wonder what this team would look like with an Owen type player up front. 'In their prime' it must be Owen or Rooney - it's just a shame their prime was so short lived (relative to others) Their primes were probably when they were 18! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinmans Love Child Posted March 24, 2023 Report Share Posted March 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, TBW said: Like to see this list without penalties. I think Kane scored with 18 penalties out of those 54 England goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WECANDO Posted March 24, 2023 Report Share Posted March 24, 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Me too. Bloody great player, and although nobody disputes he was great, I’m not sure how many put him ahead of Moore or Hurst because of the 66 Final. I think Charlton only scored 6 pens in his total but Kane has18. Edited March 24, 2023 by WECANDO Slight error in figures. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltshoveller Posted March 24, 2023 Report Share Posted March 24, 2023 23 minutes ago, Bob Taylor is GOD said: Not a fair comparison table IMO. More penalties given these days - and when they were, defenders used to take some of them. Also Defenders can (a) No longer defend properly (B) Are not allowed to defend as football is becoming a none contact sport 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted March 24, 2023 Report Share Posted March 24, 2023 Jimmy Greave’s record was something else, by far the most impressive figures Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBW Posted March 24, 2023 Report Share Posted March 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, Tinmans Love Child said: I think Kane scored with 18 penalties out of those 54 England goals. Just checked. WITHOUT PENALTIES: Harry Kane - 36 Wayne Rooney - 46 Bobby Charlton - 46 Gary Linekar - 44 ... Frank Lampard would also drop to 20 and Alan Shearer to just 24. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBW Posted March 24, 2023 Report Share Posted March 24, 2023 6 minutes ago, harrys said: Jimmy Greave’s record was something else, by far the most impressive figures Nat Lofthouse's is better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinmans Love Child Posted March 24, 2023 Report Share Posted March 24, 2023 16 minutes ago, Tinmans Love Child said: If Owen would have stayed fit he would have beaten the record (49 at that time) I think, he was unreal when he came on the scene, another qualifying campaign and tournament would have seen him very close. He was done with England by the age of 28 and scored his last England goal in 2007 age 27! https://www.englandstats.com/player.php?pid=1086 This england stats website is great, look at Owens top 10 England team mates based on appearances, not a bad line up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted March 24, 2023 Report Share Posted March 24, 2023 21 minutes ago, Maltshoveller said: If any one had seen all those play My money would be on them saying Greaves and Charlton For me Shearer and Lineker I saw all 4 play, Greaves was exceptional. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted March 24, 2023 Report Share Posted March 24, 2023 Statistically I think Kane is the all-around greatest. I enjoyed watching prime-Owen more, but his numbers don't match Kane. On the penalty point - you need to know how many each player attempted as well as scored, how many were awarded whilst the player was playing, and then adjusting it to a per game basis is probably necessary as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted March 24, 2023 Report Share Posted March 24, 2023 38 minutes ago, MarcusX said: Michael Owen for me, Rooney and Kane are very close behind (I’m too young for Lineker and beyond). Owen had something I’ve never seen anyone else in an England shirt do. Frightening pace, running in behind off the last man, tricky dribbler and a finisher. Rooney was close but between injuries and discipline his prime years were a bit of a disappointment, he never went to a tournament in full fitness after 04 and then later on he changed his style. Kane is world class in my opinion, but I can’t help but wonder what this team would look like with an Owen type player up front. Owen was outstanding for England between 1998 and 2004. He got us out of jail on so many occasions, along with Beckham 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted March 24, 2023 Report Share Posted March 24, 2023 10 minutes ago, TBW said: Just checked. WITHOUT PENALTIES: Harry Kane - 36 Wayne Rooney - 46 Bobby Charlton - 46 Gary Linekar - 44 ... Frank Lampard would also drop to 20 and Alan Shearer to just 24. I don't think Kane's achievement is diminished because he takes penalties. Penalties still have to be scored and I want my centre forward confidently stepping up to take them. Greaves and Owens records would almost certainly have been better had it not been for injuries. Would we have won the 66 World Cup with Greaves instead of Hurst? Maybe. Bobby Charlton's record is remarkable given it was mostly from midfield. Mind you, given that between 1962 and 1970 he was widely regarded as the best midfielder in the world, ghosted past other midfielders of the time as if they were standing still, and had a shot with the force of a cannon from either foot, perhaps not so surprising. He scored some wonderfully spectacular goals and it was reported (probably with some exaggeration) that when he scored the screamer against Mexico in 66, Mexico came to a standstill. Still arguably the greatest England player of all time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted March 24, 2023 Report Share Posted March 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Roger Red Hat said: Jimmy greaves is pretty impressive. 44 in 57. John Atyeo five goals in six games; an even better ratio. The game he didn't score in ended 0-0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted March 24, 2023 Report Share Posted March 24, 2023 Not on the list, but Brian Clough had a monster goals to games record. At Boro, 204 goals in 222 games and Sunderland 267 goals in 296 games. Unfortunately he never scored in his 2 England games. As for the top goal scorer list, how many times did Lofthouse, Greaves and Lofhouse play San Marino? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted March 24, 2023 Report Share Posted March 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Enclosure Old Timer said: John Atyeo, 5 in 6 . Including the goal that got England to the 58 World Cup in injury time in Dublin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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