Jefferz Posted April 19, 2023 Report Share Posted April 19, 2023 (edited) Is my memory playing tricks? I was a kid at the U23 England v GDR match at AG in 1972. My question is: was Chris Garland on the bench? My memory is that Chris was an unused sub, much to our disappointment at the time. Can anyone confirm? Edited April 19, 2023 by Jefferz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted April 19, 2023 Report Share Posted April 19, 2023 Am I the only one who dreads opening a thread titled like this for fear of what I might read? 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted April 19, 2023 Report Share Posted April 19, 2023 I’ve got the same recollection. Although, like you, based on nothing more than my memory - which I trust less by the day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miser Posted April 19, 2023 Report Share Posted April 19, 2023 (edited) Think it was earlier. 1960s. Sure our player (Garland) selected to boost the crowd. Edited April 19, 2023 by miser Spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted April 19, 2023 Report Share Posted April 19, 2023 Just now, miser said: Think it was ealier. 1960s. Sure our player (Garland) selected to boost the crowd. The same thing happened with Matt Hewlett when another U23 game was at AG. He never got on either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pride of the west Posted April 19, 2023 Report Share Posted April 19, 2023 1 minute ago, miser said: Think it was earlier. 1960s. Sure our player (Garland) selected to boost the crowd. That was always the way. Matt Hewlett got called up to the under 21s when we played Italy at the gate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malago Posted April 19, 2023 Report Share Posted April 19, 2023 18 minutes ago, Jefferz said: Is my memory playing tricks? I was a kid at the U23 England v GDR match at AG in 1972. My question is: was Chris Garland on the bench? My memory is that Chris was an unused sub, much to our disappointment at the time. Can anyone confirm? Spot on, including the date. I was in the General at the time in the days when they kept you in for a week after having your tonsils out. Asked to get out early, but the Matron was having none of it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jefferz Posted April 19, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2023 (edited) 27 minutes ago, miser said: Think it was ealier. 1960s. Sure our player (Garland) selected to boost the crowd. Hi Thank you for this. I went back to England v Wales at AG in 1969 and found a programme for sale online. Thankfully it had a pic of the line ups and you are right CG was a sub. My memory of wanting Chris to come on was stronger than the date and opponents. This was the game I attended with my Dad in the old Kids enclosure below the Grand stand. If it did boost crowd, Alf didn’t give him a run out. Old curmudgeon. Edited April 19, 2023 by Jefferz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted April 19, 2023 Report Share Posted April 19, 2023 5 minutes ago, Malago said: Spot on, including the date. I was in the General at the time in the days when they kept you in for a week after having your tonsils out. Asked to get out early, but the Matron was having none of it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted April 19, 2023 Report Share Posted April 19, 2023 28 minutes ago, Jefferz said: Is my memory playing tricks? I was a kid at the U23 England v GDR match at AG in 1972. My question is: was Chris Garland on the bench? My memory is that Chris was an unused sub, much to our disappointment at the time. Can anyone confirm? I was there and yes, CG was on the bench. Speculation his selection was a cynical move just to boost the crowd i.e never any intention if playing him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jefferz Posted April 19, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2023 16 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said: Am I the only one who dreads opening a thread titled like this for fear of what I might read? Sorry about that. Take your point. Have changed title. PS didn’t I back you EW in the National once upon a time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted April 19, 2023 Report Share Posted April 19, 2023 44 minutes ago, Jefferz said: Is my memory playing tricks? I was a kid at the U23 England v GDR match at AG in 1972. My question is: was Chris Garland on the bench? My memory is that Chris was an unused sub, much to our disappointment at the time. Can anyone confirm? Yes he was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handsofclay Posted April 19, 2023 Report Share Posted April 19, 2023 I think I seen highlights of the match on Sportsnight With Coleman. But I could be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jefferz Posted April 19, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2023 (edited) I’ve also been able to find the U23 England v Bulgaria programme online. The odd thing is that CG got his only cap at Home Park but doesn’t appear in the squad as printed. PS the point about the ‘crowd booster’ is fairly conclusive as the squad features Norman Piper of Plymouth Argyle. Wonder if Alf gave him a run !? Edited April 19, 2023 by Jefferz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenkibby. Posted April 19, 2023 Report Share Posted April 19, 2023 Don't know about Garland, but my first game at the Gate saw Merrick captaining England school boys against Wales. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted April 19, 2023 Report Share Posted April 19, 2023 36 minutes ago, miser said: Think it was earlier. 1960s. Sure our player (Garland) selected to boost the crowd. 69-ish, absolutely........boring Ralph Ramrod could have put him on for 5 minutes at the end, but no. He was (rightly) booed at the end ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted April 19, 2023 Report Share Posted April 19, 2023 There was another England game during the early 70's at Ashton Gate. Not at home so can't check but I got Kevin Keegan, Malcolm Macdonald, Alf Ramsey, Harold Sheperdson autographs amongst others in my autograph book. Anyone remember the occasion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jefferz Posted April 19, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2023 (edited) That could be the GDR game in ‘72 Edited April 19, 2023 by Jefferz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted April 19, 2023 Report Share Posted April 19, 2023 I know I went to one U23's game, early 70s and Garland was rumoured to be playing. He didn't and it was a dull 0-0, This site be of interest. http://www.englandfootballonline.com/matchrsl/MatchRslTmU23.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted April 19, 2023 Report Share Posted April 19, 2023 7 minutes ago, Jefferz said: That could be the GDR game in ‘72 Why would Rod Thomas be captaining the German Democratic Republic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted April 19, 2023 Report Share Posted April 19, 2023 9 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said: There was another England game during the early 70's at Ashton Gate. Not at home so can't check but I got Kevin Keegan, Malcolm Macdonald, Alf Ramsey, Harold Sheperdson autographs amongst others in my autograph book. Anyone remember the occasion? This one . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jefferz Posted April 19, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: I know I went to one U23's game, early 70s and Garland was rumoured to be playing. He didn't and it was a dull 0-0, This site be of interest. http://www.englandfootballonline.com/matchrsl/MatchRslTmU23.html Would CG have been too old to play in this one( or is one player allowed per team?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted April 19, 2023 Report Share Posted April 19, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: This one . Yes I'm getting confused. Someone has muddied the waters talking about England v Wales. Yes Keegan and Macdonald were in the squad and Garland was on the bench. I can remember going to this game. Got all the England autographs Edited April 19, 2023 by Sir Geoff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted April 19, 2023 Report Share Posted April 19, 2023 5 minutes ago, Jefferz said: Would CG have been too old to play in this one( or is one player allowed per team?) I think they used to allow a couple of over age players. Chris would have been 24 so could have been an over age player. I could be wrong about the rumour it was a long time ago, but I'm convinced that's why I nagged my Dad to take me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jefferz Posted April 19, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said: Why would Rod Thomas be captaining the German Democratic Republic Haha This is AG in 1969. What surprises me is how small David Nish is. Remember him as being taller/bigger met a bloke on holiday from Derby who worshipped Nish as a legend Edited April 19, 2023 by Jefferz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jefferz Posted April 19, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2023 24 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said: There was another England game during the early 70's at Ashton Gate. Not at home so can't check but I got Kevin Keegan, Malcolm Macdonald, Alf Ramsey, Harold Sheperdson autographs amongst others in my autograph book. Anyone remember the occasion? I think you will find Alf was born in 1920. He would have been 52 and was not an U23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 19, 2023 Report Share Posted April 19, 2023 40 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: I know I went to one U23's game, early 70s and Garland was rumoured to be playing. He didn't and it was a dull 0-0, This site be of interest. http://www.englandfootballonline.com/matchrsl/MatchRslTmU23.html I was only 3 at the time, but remember all of the players bar G.Palmer, S.Mills, and P.Fletcher. Any insight on them, did they drift into lower league football? 37 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: This one . Same with this (I was 1)…who was D.Jeffries? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Shadow Posted April 19, 2023 Report Share Posted April 19, 2023 54 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said: Yes I'm getting confused. Someone has muddied the waters talking about England v Wales. Yes Keegan and Macdonald were in the squad and Garland was on the bench. I can remember going to this game. Got all the England autographs There was one Bristolian in the England team - Larry Lloyd, although he was a former gas player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted April 19, 2023 Report Share Posted April 19, 2023 IIRC, Chris only made one appearance for U23s that was at Plymouth, where Ramsey selected Norman Piper (Argyle) on the bench.........and brought him on ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSN Red Posted April 20, 2023 Report Share Posted April 20, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, Davefevs said: I was only 3 at the time, but remember all of the players bar G.Palmer, S.Mills, and P.Fletcher. Any insight on them, did they drift into lower league football? Same with this (I was 1)…who was D.Jeffries? I am presuming Geoff Palmer from Wolves and Paul Fletcher from Burnley. S Mills was Steve Mills from Southampton who sadly died in a car accident in his 20s Edited April 20, 2023 by MSN Red 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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