Jerseybean Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 Haven’t read every post in this thread, so not sure if this has been mentioned, but should we sign him is it likely to undo the work NP did to ensure our wage structure was much more equitable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeez Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 Just now, petehinton said: Because it took us 3 seasons & 3 years of all of our lives watching a team basically just struggle to stay afloat, to sort our finances out. And we absolutely don’t want to go reverse and go to through all that again! Very conservative point of view, that mentality keeps you mid table at best. it was only a few months ago everyone lost it because we did sign a replacement for Scott but we don’t want to spend the going rate for Twine who is literally the best option we can get. I sense it’s mostly because a poster on here advised the club to sign him on a free & was snubbed that’s the thrust of why people are mooning about the price tag: 2 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 3 minutes ago, Jeez said: Very conservative point of view, that mentality keeps you mid table at best. it was only a few months ago everyone lost it because we did sign a replacement for Scott but we don’t want to spend the going rate for Twine who is literally the best option we can get. I sense it’s mostly because a poster on here advised the club to sign him on a free & was snubbed that’s the thrust of why people are mooning about the price tag: FFS hahahahah 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeez Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 (edited) 1 minute ago, petehinton said: FFS hahahahah So who do you think we should sign then? Edited January 14 by Jeez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcofisher Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Jeez said: Very conservative point of view, that mentality keeps you mid table at best. it was only a few months ago everyone lost it because we did sign a replacement for Scott but we don’t want to spend the going rate for Twine who is literally the best option we can get. I sense it’s mostly because a poster on here advised the club to sign him on a free & was snubbed that’s the thrust of why people are mooning about the price tag: Whereas this mentality saw us almost failing FFP just a couple of years ago! Edited January 14 by marcofisher 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 2 minutes ago, Jeez said: So who do you think we should sign then? Should beat Brentford to Whittaker for £7m imo, and also try for Bamford on loan 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 6 new pages for **** all movement. Love OTIB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rs Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Jeez said: Very conservative point of view, that mentality keeps you mid table at best. it was only a few months ago everyone lost it because we did sign a replacement for Scott but we don’t want to spend the going rate for Twine who is literally the best option we can get. I sense it’s mostly because a poster on here advised the club to sign him on a free & was snubbed that’s the thrust of why people are mooning about the price tag: Where have you pulled it’s the going rate from? Finn Azaz, younger, playing much better in a worse team = £2.5m Scott Twine, older, playing worse in the joint 4th best goal scoring side in the division currently = £5m. The only plus Twine has is Manning has played with him before and that isn’t worth double the price. Edited January 14 by George Rs 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC31 Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 I wish people would stop going on about the past we have cleared so much room for our selves to manoeuvre. W do actually have to build guys if we don't sign quality how do we progress .... anyone would think we're trying to sign a player with no upsale potential he is also the exact type of player we need let's all just enjoy it and hope we actually start to kick on for once on the pitch with some investment going into the playing side. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritAbroad Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 2 minutes ago, petehinton said: Should beat Brentford to Whittaker for £7m imo, and also try for Bamford on loan I have a friend who works at Brentford, who says they have zero interest in Whitaker. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeez Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 2 minutes ago, petehinton said: Should beat Brentford to Whittaker for £7m imo, and also try for Bamford on loan surely you’re on a wind up here. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeez Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 2 minutes ago, George Rs said: Where have you pulled it’s the going rate from? Finn Azaz, younger, playing much better in a worse team = £2.5m Scott Twine, older, playing worse in the joint 4th best goal scoring side in the division currently = £5m. The only plus Twine has is Manning has played with him before and that isn’t worth double the price. As in Burney paid 4m, so they have set the Benchmark of what they would expect minimum. Im as disappointed as anyone about Azaz but he chose Boro & was good value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcofisher Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 4 minutes ago, BCFC31 said: I wish people would stop going on about the past we have cleared so much room for our selves to manoeuvre. W do actually have to build guys if we don't sign quality how do we progress .... anyone would think we're trying to sign a player with no upsale potential he is also the exact type of player we need let's all just enjoy it and hope we actually start to kick on for once on the pitch with some investment going into the playing side. Nobody is denying the fact we need to invest in the squad, I think most are doubting the valuation on this lad. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRoss Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 Is there much point in arguing about a fee on a potential transfer from hearsay at the moment. When first reported by Nixon he said 2.5, Piercy said Burnley want 5. If there is any truth in this I reckon it'll land somewhere between the two. Whether it happens and that's value for money only time will tell. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC31 Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 (edited) 3 minutes ago, marcofisher said: Nobody is denying the fact we need to invest in the squad, I think most are doubting the valuation on this lad. Personally if we do sign him i honestly don't think it will be for 5m I'd imagine thats burnleys starting point in negotiations that can be worked down in lots of different ways we could maybe structure a deal like we did with massengo where burnley get performance related twine bonuses etc Edited January 14 by BCFC31 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nugget Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 Certainly some nest egg hatching if that fee is anywhere near accurate First few pages of this thread were raving about him. He could just click here, Manning will know his strengths & maybe it falls into place, works like that sometimes I guess, or he could be shart of course Him & another striker to replace Andy, I’d take that if nobody else goes & window closes with the returning injured folks starting to appear too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 56 minutes ago, Harry said: I got mine from here : If you assume (and hope) we are looking at a no10 to move Jason Knight to CM. Knight - 0.7 key passes per game Twine - 1.8 key passes per game 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 5 minutes ago, Nugget said: Him & another striker to replace Andy, I’d take that if nobody else goes & window closes with the returning injured folks starting to appear too. Midfielder I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 19 minutes ago, RedRoss said: Is there much point in arguing about a fee on a potential transfer from hearsay at the moment. When first reported by Nixon he said 2.5, Piercy said Burnley want 5. If there is any truth in this I reckon it'll land somewhere between the two. Whether it happens and that's value for money only time will tell. Great post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat Fastard Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 If we sign him (probably a BIG IF) it will not be because of his stats but because LM reckons he knows how to play him within the context of our team. Any fee paid would have to be seen within the context of how the overall team would benefit and not just how we might coach some better stats from him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnheadbcfc Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 Just now, Bat Fastard said: If we sign him (probably a BIG IF) it will not be because of his stats but because LM reckons he knows how to play him within the context of our team. Any fee paid would have to be seen within the context of how the overall team would benefit and not just how we might coach some better stats from him. Totally agree and I'd trust Liam Manning or any professional coach over a few stats! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 As a preamble here, I’d welcome Twine - good player, something we lack and would improve our squad. However, I’m with @Harry - the price is too high. One of our continual mantras is that we might bring summer business forward if it works. This isn’t that. As a loan it makes no sense. As a permanent it’s not like we’re getting value from the mooted fee and it’s not a Mehmeti where there is the argument of growth - he knows this level, he knows the manager’s expectations. Bringing forward when we have no chance of promotion makes no earthly sense, even if he is the right man (teams aren’t falling over themselves to sign him). So, look behind it. We’re possibly signing him as a plausible Mannig signing as a show of ambition because that’s what Tinnion, in his fundamentally basic knowledge of football, thinks will show that ambition without people looking behind it. It’s moronic as a loan or at the mooted price. Again. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 1 hour ago, Cov 77 said: Jeez to you , ffs it’s NOT just those reasons , you know that as well as I do , not everything you rant is right , patronising git Because despite you being told why Nige is not a fan of loans in our circumstance. You still continued with the bs that Nige isn't a fan of loans without acknowledging why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: As a preamble here, I’d welcome Twine - good player, something we lack and would improve our squad. However, I’m with @Harry - the price is too high. One of our continual mantras is that we might bring summer business forward if it works. This isn’t that. As a loan it makes no sense. As a permanent it’s not like we’re getting value from the mooted fee and it’s not a Mehmeti where there is the argument of growth - he knows this level, he knows the manager’s expectations. Bringing forward when we have no chance of promotion makes no earthly sense, even if he is the right man (teams aren’t falling over themselves to sign him). So, look behind it. We’re possibly signing him as a plausible Mannig signing as a show of ambition because that’s what Tinnion, in his fundamentally basic knowledge of football, thinks will show that ambition without people looking behind it. It’s moronic as a loan or at the mooted price. Again. Great post & although as you have articulately explained, it doesn’t make much sense, when you then consider who we have running the club & particularly the recruitment strategy I’m therefore totally convinced it’s happening now. Edited January 14 by GrahamC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC31 Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 6 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: As a preamble here, I’d welcome Twine - good player, something we lack and would improve our squad. However, I’m with @Harry - the price is too high. One of our continual mantras is that we might bring summer business forward if it works. This isn’t that. As a loan it makes no sense. As a permanent it’s not like we’re getting value from the mooted fee and it’s not a Mehmeti where there is the argument of growth - he knows this level, he knows the manager’s expectations. Bringing forward when we have no chance of promotion makes no earthly sense, even if he is the right man (teams aren’t falling over themselves to sign him). So, look behind it. We’re possibly signing him as a plausible Mannig signing as a show of ambition because that’s what Tinnion, in his fundamentally basic knowledge of football, thinks will show that ambition without people looking behind it. It’s moronic as a loan or at the mooted price. Again. Twine is less then a year older then mehmeti. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feral Williams Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 Chair an option if it all goes south for QPR ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 56 minutes ago, petehinton said: Because it took us 3 seasons & 3 years of all of our lives watching a team basically just struggle to stay afloat, to sort our finances out. And we absolutely don’t want to go reverse and go to through all that again! Absolutely how I feel. I posted after Pearsons sacking that I feared we'd go back to the LJ days of throwing money at things. If we sign this one player for 5 million plus I assume large wages then that risks undoing all the hard work and sacrifices that were made. I think the majority of us were happy with the buisness done to sign players like Sykes, Knight, Atkinson and Dickie etc. I'd have liked that to have continued and it definitely should have in the summer. Not potentially chuck 5 million at one player in January. Once again the club are flip flopping between strategies. If this goes wrong then we'll require another Pearson to come in and sort the mess out. It's all totally avoidable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 2 minutes ago, Feral Williams said: Chair an option if it all goes south for QPR ? Too inconsistent imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shauntaylor85 Posted January 14 Author Report Share Posted January 14 8 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said: Too inconsistent imo Take both. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 13 minutes ago, Feral Williams said: Chair an option if it all goes south for QPR ? I prefer a sofa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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