And Its Smith Posted August 14, 2023 Report Share Posted August 14, 2023 13 minutes ago, ChrisBW said: Didn’t realise we had VAR in the championship. Why would VAR in the championship be any different to Prem? Maybe you can answer that question without any sarcasm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisBW Posted August 14, 2023 Report Share Posted August 14, 2023 1 minute ago, And Its Smith said: Why would VAR in the championship be any different to Prem? Maybe you can answer that question without any sarcasm Less pressure and no favouritism to Englands elite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted August 14, 2023 Report Share Posted August 14, 2023 Just now, ChrisBW said: Less pressure and no favouritism to Englands elite. There would still be errors. VAR has been a nightmare from the off. Just bin it and go back to the way it was before. What level you refereeing at ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted August 14, 2023 Report Share Posted August 14, 2023 19 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Why would VAR in the championship be any different to Prem? Maybe you can answer that question without any sarcasm We'd be the Wolves of the championship, so still wouldn't get any penalty decisions. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 14, 2023 Report Share Posted August 14, 2023 1 hour ago, ChrisBW said: Should be a review system, one per manager per game. PNE could have reviewed the Vyner penalty (which was a pen) , we could review the foul on Bell Saturday (shoved over clear as day), and wolves could appeal the pen tonight. Really easy. I’ve long since said it should be a manager review system…take the pressure off the refs first of all. Put a bit of pressure on managers / players to 1) be honest 2) understand the rules 3) let them have to face the music for a poor decision they made to review. It would lessen the amount if reviews too, less time wasted. 48 minutes ago, ChrisBW said: Less pressure and no favouritism to Englands elite. There is the same pecking order in the Champ too. The likes of Leeds will get them over Rotherham. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Journalist Posted August 14, 2023 Report Share Posted August 14, 2023 That was a pretty dull evening until the final minute of stoppage. That’s the worst VAR non-intervention I think I’ve ever seen. You also can’t imagine we’ll be seeing much of Michael Salisbury in the future, the VAR tonight… given he was also stood down for a game last season after missing that high-profile penalty in the Tottenham-Brighton match. Full GON piece up now - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66506026 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 7 hours ago, ChrisBW said: Should be a review system, one per manager per game. PNE could have reviewed the Vyner penalty (which was a pen) , we could review the foul on Bell Saturday (shoved over clear as day), and wolves could appeal the pen tonight. Really easy. How would that help? VAR looked at it and said it wasn’t a pen. Who would the review go to? Also what pen on Vyner? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 It’s about time the refs were mic’d so we could hear the discussion and at least understand what they are looking at and how they’ve got to their conclusion. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, MarcusX said: How would that help? VAR looked at it and said it wasn’t a pen. Who would the review go to? Also what pen on Vyner? Agree - the same people are still going to make the same mistakes Edited August 15, 2023 by Rob k 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hertsexile Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 Let’s face the standard of refereeing is at a time low in both the EFL and the premiership. It would be interesting to hear the referee on a microphone explain his decision. This has worked well in the woman’s world cup. In our opening game against Preston there was a clear handball in the build up to the Preston goal my reaction and the guys around me was normal service has resumed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 44 minutes ago, MarcusX said: How would that help? VAR looked at it and said it wasn’t a pen. Who would the review go to? Also what pen on Vyner? Vyner handballed in the box whilst blocking a goalbound shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucky Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 8 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: Vyner handballed in the box whilst blocking a goalbound shot We were playing rush back goalie's. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisBW Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 55 minutes ago, MarcusX said: How would that help? VAR looked at it and said it wasn’t a pen. Who would the review go to? Also what pen on Vyner? Handball - Preston received an apology for it not being given. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 Maybe we need to bring in VARRS a VAR review system where we have a team of referees reviewing VAR reviews. If that doesn’t work you are never going to guess my next suggestion…. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxy27 Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 It is a penalty - or should be - no dispute... However - in the days before VAR, you'd never get that, and I don't think people would be too up in arms about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheese Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 1 hour ago, MarcusX said: It’s about time the refs were mic’d so we could hear the discussion and at least understand what they are looking at and how they’ve got to their conclusion. VAR: Just going to look at that incident again Ref: Ok, let me know how it goes. VAR: No penalty - incident happened in Man Utd's box therefore nothing to review. Ref: Ok, I'm going to book O'Neill for having the temerity to ask for one. VAR: Spot on. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 If that challenge is on the keeper the refs blowing for a foul - it’s a ridiculous decision 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B1ackbird Posted August 15, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 If it was the other way around VAR would be falling over themselves to award a penalty... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted August 15, 2023 Admin Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 11 hours ago, ChrisBW said: As a qualified ref myself Hooper should be binned for missing it in the first place. 11 hours ago, phantom said: Very likely to happen All officials involved with the game last night have been dropped from this weekends fixtures Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 Could we have an end of season review beginning with the clubs who have received apologies? We might end up in the playoffs! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 Just now, phantom said: All officials involved with the game last night have been dropped from this weekends fixtures That won't help with the result though and all those officials will be welcomed back to Old Trafford. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisBW Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, Midred said: That won't help with the result though and all those officials will be welcomed back to Old Trafford. They also get paid a ridiculous amount which isn’t justifiable with such poor decisions. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 17 minutes ago, ChrisBW said: They also get paid a ridiculous amount which isn’t justifiable with such poor decisions. Now that the elite group or whatever they called are fully professional, and as you say, paid well for it…their standard should improve. They’ve got worse. There is no excuse for last night. A ref can miss something, for all kinds of valid reasons, but VAR??? As a ref yourself, it must undermine you…surely it lowers respect if nothing? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisBW Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 16 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Now that the elite group or whatever they called are fully professional, and as you say, paid well for it…their standard should improve. They’ve got worse. There is no excuse for last night. A ref can miss something, for all kinds of valid reasons, but VAR??? As a ref yourself, it must undermine you…surely it lowers respect if nothing? To be honest I don’t care enough to compare myself to the top tier. But you do notice so many basic mistakes that are inexcusable, and they are clearly told to ignore things that the local league players go mad about. Against PNE Kian Best their left back was on throw ins on his side, every throw his left foot was coming so high it was on a level with his right knee, it was ridiculous, the most blatant foul throws time and time again…..completely ignored. They have clearly been told to ignore. How can Hooper not book Varane for going into the crowd? This is what they have been told to do and he completely ignores. like all walks of life, if you want to get to the top re:reffing then it’s about who you know not how good you are, I’m far too old to even contemplate it but some decisions are scandalous and difficult to justify. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 I lost count of the number of foul throws in the Spain/Sweden women’s’ match today. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisBW Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 3 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: I lost count of the number of foul throws in the Spain/Sweden women’s’ match today. They completely ignore it at the top level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 1 hour ago, phantom said: All officials involved with the game last night have been dropped from this weekends fixtures To be replaced by others who will favour exactly the same clubs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 4 hours ago, ChrisBW said: Handball - Preston received an apology for it not being given. Ohh I was thinking of Millwall, my bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 13 hours ago, And Its Smith said: It’s happened already. Gary O'Neil says PGMOL's Jon Moss spoke to him after the game and has admitted @Wolves should have had a penalty and it was a clear and obvious error. Personally I’m massively reassured that Jon Moss is now in charge here. In his last ever game as a ref he denied Huddersfield two blatant penalties in the playoff final against Forest, so someone with a record of favouring the bigger club will be right at home with whitewashing the “controversial” decisions that United & Liverpool consistently get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 1 hour ago, ChrisBW said: They also get paid a ridiculous amount which isn’t justifiable with such poor decisions. And who the PGMOL get their money from? Would it be the Premier League and Efl - who know which clubs will bring the most most money in. (No conspiracy theory here.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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