Ayman Benarous

[Galley is our king]

I assume neither him or Atkinson took part in the 11 x 11 first team training match?

Would be a bit stupid wouldn't it?

[PHILINFRANCE]

5 minutes ago, Galley is our king said:

I assume neither him or Atkinson took part in the 11 x 11 first team training match?

Would be a bit stupid wouldn't it?

Indeed, wouldn’t it?

 

[redkev]

He really has 2 issues the poor lad , the first one in my eyes is obviously the hamstring but more importantly his head will need to be right when he gets back fully fit , if your head isn’t right with the fine margins In professional sport this can make a massive input to your performance.

also goes to show for all the preseason training he done ( and excelled at ) nothing quite the same as day to day training and games ( even if they were academy/ behind closed door games )

[Sleepy1968]

4 minutes ago, redkev said:

He really has 2 issues the poor lad , the first one in my eyes is obviously the hamstring but more importantly his head will need to be right when he gets back fully fit , if your head isn’t right with the fine margins In professional sport this can make a massive input to your performance.

also goes to show for all the preseason training he done ( and excelled at ) nothing quite the same as day to day training and games ( even if they were academy/ behind closed door games )

Good points.

Also I think he's lost 2 years of development hasn't he? (I hope Ive got that wrong.) That's massive.

I think we're all absolutely gutted for the lad, and I can't imagine how he's managing to cope.

Hopefully the City have a good sports psychologist on hand to support him back.

 

[alexukhc]

Why Ayman?

[BCFCOFSWEDEN]

Oh not again

Our new Paul Cheesley?

I hope not!

[mozo]

He's got such potential too 

[Rocking Red Cyril]

On 28/09/2023 at 10:28, redkev said:

Just hope it’s good news on the Vyner front aswell as benerous , it just seems like every time we seem to get a player or two back we loose a couple and they all seem to be pretty long spells out . The danger is now as Atkinson / Conway / Benerous get back on the grass ( god I hate that saying ) and then get some games under there belt ( that one too ) there is always a big risk of either breaking down or more likely picking up little niggles that put you back a few more weeks at a time . 
regarding injuries I have a negativity in me that either Williams , Naismith and James have a injury just around the corner. If we could keep a pretty much fully fit squad think we might surprise a few people .

Yes a fully fit squad for a decent period of the season would be interesting to see how far we could push the league position. Are we a top six squad?  I am really not sure . But would love to be proved wrong.

COYR

[Alessandro]

So looks like Rennie might have known what he was talking about, after all…dear oh dear - the first international break after the club sacks DR for giving players the last one sometime to rest and they thought they knew better and we now have this mess….

Take a bow Tinnion! 

[bcfc01]

The ignore button is getting worn out 

[And Its Smith]

32 minutes ago, Alessandro said:

So looks like Rennie might have known what he was talking about, after all…dear oh dear - the first international break after the club sacks DR for giving players the last one sometime to rest and they thought they knew better and we now have this mess….

Take a bow Tinnion! 

So Rennie isn’t to blame for our bad injury record but these injuries are because he got sacked?

[REDOXO]

3 hours ago, Spreadsheet Man said:

Yeah, of course I've seen Nigel Pearson's press conferences, but you knew that, you silly little facetious sausage. Frankly, some of them came off as rude and unnecessarily awkward, even though I generally liked the guy. Let's not sugarcoat things like that though, like we've done with this terrible home record and the fact that his style of football wasn't exactly thrilling.

As for the length, there's only so much you can ask a manager, especially one who's been in charge for just one game. I thought it was a decent press conference, and he covered what he could. Do we really need to nitpick every detail, or can we cut the guy some slack?

I'm sorry if thats not what people wanna hear. I've seen it without an agenda and don't feel the need to go along with the majority. I'm not looking to make friends; I'm just expressing my honest opinion, even if it ruffles some feathers.

Silly little facetious sausage.  Dave’s been on the Source! Well it is Thanksgiving!!

[WoodsDTES]

3 hours ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

It makes complete sense. Sort of like an Andy  Llewellyn/Louis Carey type player who would likely stay with us doing a good job yet not be so good that they go elsewhere ( and before the pedants say about Coventry- it was fleeting).

 

I was thinking the same but more like what Barry Bannan has been for Sheffield Wednesday. 

[pongo88]

1 hour ago, BCFCOFSWEDEN said:

Oh not again

Our new Paul Cheesley?

I hope not!

This is nothing like Paul Cheesley. He had one injury which,  with the proper medical treatment available today, could easily have been diagnosed and treated. Instead, City’s medical team devised their own recovery plan. When they belatedly sent him to see a specialist, 3 months later, the specialist told him the training he had been forced to do was the worst thing possible for his injury 

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, REDOXO said:

Silly little facetious sausage.  Dave’s been on the Source! Well it is Thanksgiving!!

Just to be clear, the poster you replied to isn’t me.  It’s a poster previously going under the name of Ghost Rider, who changed his forum name this week.

[W-S-M Seagull]

4 hours ago, Galley is our king said:

I assume neither him or Atkinson took part in the 11 x 11 first team training match?

Would be a bit stupid wouldn't it?

Manning said Atkinson picked up this latest injury in the 11 v 11 training match. 

Would Nige have had an 11 v 11 during the international break? And if he did would he have played Atkinson? Both doubtful imo. 

Nige was extremely big on player welfare. He often spoke about how players will tell you they are able to play when they are probably not ready. He's previously spoken about having to curb a players enthusiasm about returning from injury for their own good. 

Manning said he bases his decisions based on what the player says. Two very different styles. 

[W-S-M Seagull]

2 hours ago, Alessandro said:

So looks like Rennie might have known what he was talking about, after all…dear oh dear - the first international break after the club sacks DR for giving players the last one sometime to rest and they thought they knew better and we now have this mess….

Take a bow Tinnion! 

With a number of players nearing the end of their rehabilitation, it must been far from ideal to suddenly not have Rennie here to oversee the final part of their rehabilitation. 

Also with our knowledge that players would have been given time off during the international break under NP, it's possible that not having that rest has caused Atkinson to have a set back. 

Edited November 23, 2023 by W-S-M Seagull

[Davefevs]

Just now, W-S-M Seagull said:

Manning said Atkinson picked up this latest injury in the 11 v 11 training match. 

Would Nige have had an 11 v 11 during the international break? And if he did would he have played Atkinson? Both doubtful imo. 

Nige was extremely big on player welfare. He often spoke about how players will tell you they are able to play when they are probably not ready. He's previously spoken about having to curb a players enthusiasm about returning from injury for their own good. 

Manning said he bases his decisions based on what the player says. Two very different styles. 

We need to be careful about taking sides on the medical “agenda” because it’s impossible to know enough.  No way should JL have slurred Rennie though, that was shitty, and he’s brought scrutiny on the new medical team as a result…unnecessarily.  And I think they deserve some stick as a result.

Re what Manning said, it’s worth listening again, because before he mentions the bit about being based on what the player says, he says it’s based on data.

I’m gonna guess that it goes something like this:

LM - hey Big Rob, your data is looking good, you’ve hit your marks and you’re in a position to go to the next step, but how do you feel.

RA - yeah, I feel good, gaffer, be good to play in the 11v11

Another player might feel differently though.  

[Davefevs]

6 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

With a number of players nearing the end of their rehabilitation, it must been far from ideal to suddenly not have Rennie here to oversee the final part of their rehabilitation. 

Also with our knowledge that players would have been given time off during the international break under NP, it's possible that not having that rest has caused Atkinson to have a set back. 

We certainly agree in our thoughts that Rennie was a highly skilled professional medical person.

[CityReds]

13 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

We certainly agree in our thoughts that Rennie was a highly skilled professional medical person.

But having put the club in a seemingly ‘good’ place from the absolute mess it was. Then oversaw a team that had 12 players on the injury list. Experienced and professional, yes. Perhaps not as good as the narrative that was peddled to the fan base?

[REDOXO]

38 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Just to be clear, the poster you replied to isn’t me.  It’s a poster previously going under the name of Ghost Rider, who changed his forum name this week.

Oh that Jon is such a tinker!

[W-S-M Seagull]

14 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

We certainly agree in our thoughts that Rennie was a highly skilled professional medical person.

I feel its a huge loss Dave. We'll probably never know the full circumstances around all of their departures but it's obvious there was a huge issue about the international break. With NP and Rennie being such good friends, if one was going to leave, they were both going to leave. I think Nige partly lost his job because of his loyalty to his friend and also Rennie (if he wasn't pushed) probably also left due to his loyalty to NP. 

Whilst it may appear I'm being overly critical of Manning it's more I'm forensically looking at everything because of the circumstances of NPs departure and Mannings arrival. It's not a personal slight on Manning. Its about the choice the powers that be have made. 

As we've gone from one extreme to the next between the last two international breaks and have now picked up two further injuries and Wells appears to be no closer to returning, I think it's only fair to ask questions about how the circumstances surrounding these injuries.

Under LJ I felt players were rushed back because LJ needed them players to be available to help his own cause as head coach. NP and his team were firmly of the mindset that the players welfare came above all else. I do have my worries we may be returning to the LJ days in some ways. But that is me being very critical. 

[W-S-M Seagull]

5 minutes ago, CityReds said:

But having put the club in a seemingly ‘good’ place from the absolute mess it was. Then oversaw a team that had 12 players on the injury list. Experienced and professional, yes. Perhaps not as good as the narrative that was peddled to the fan base?

But the majority of our injuries have been contact injuries. 

I saw something the other day that said there has been a lot more injuries in football over the past year or so. Quite a big difference. Maybe this can be contributed as a knock on affect of covid and the winter world cup. 

When we compare ourselves to that we have done extremely well.

 

[Mr Popodopolous]

Gutted for Benarous, it has been a tough 18 months or so for him, set back after set back it seems.

[Davefevs]

34 minutes ago, CityReds said:

But having put the club in a seemingly ‘good’ place from the absolute mess it was. Then oversaw a team that had 12 players on the injury list. Experienced and professional, yes. Perhaps not as good as the narrative that was peddled to the fan base?

As I always say with injuries, if you’re just gonna quote numbers injured, you can miss so much context.

For example 2 of the 12 were ACLs.

1 of the 12 was a goalkeeper who’s never played a first team game and had a knee (joint) operation.

Imho you need to look at:

- injury type, e.g. muscle, joint, etc

- where did it occur, e.g. match, training, etc

- how did it occur, e.g. contact, fatigue, etc

Thoughts?

[Davefevs]

41 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Whilst it may appear I'm being overly critical of Manning it's more I'm forensically looking at everything because of the circumstances of NPs departure and Mannings arrival. It's not a personal slight on Manning. Its about the choice the powers that be have made. 

Yep, totally get that.

[Davefevs]

Some very interesting stuff on ACL ops, and a bit about both methods - using Petella tendon (my own example) and using Hamstring (Ayman and Rob).

https://www.peakphysicaltherapy.com/Injuries-Conditions/Knee/Surgery/Hamstring-Tendon-Graft-Reconstruction-of-the-ACL/a~352/article.html#:~:text=Even the portion of muscle,this kind of ACL repair.

Also mentions issues with weaker hamstrings afterwards.

FWIW I never had any real front of knee pain when kneeling, if anything my knee has little feeling / numb to some extent.

Until I was in hospital getting ready for op, I had no idea they drilled the knee and screwed the new tendon into place!!!

[W-S-M Seagull]

45 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Yep, totally get that.

It was said that the change was made to improve us so I'm holding Tinnion and JL to account on that. 

It's unfortunate for Manning that he's going to be judge on his decision makers decisions but he did accept the job knowing what's required.

[exAtyeoMax]

8 hours ago, And Its Smith said:

So Rennie isn’t to blame for our bad injury record but these injuries are because he got sacked?

It’s about timing, rest, and recuperation. If the players who were on their way back from injury have been rushed back, that can’t be DR’s fault (if he definitely had stated before he left that they should have longer recovery before coming back)

[Major Isewater]

13 hours ago, Clutton Caveman said:

I think this might be a case of absence makes the heart fonder. From my memory Ayman showed flashes of real talent but never did he impact a game like Scott did.